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I saw this on a Facebook page dedicated to White women. The page states that they are the sexiest women on Earth. Whites are consistently considered, even by other races, to be the most attractive physically, and the women, above the men, above others. Not to say it is a hard rule, of course.

Anyways, this was actually on the page of someone who made comments- on a Black guy's Facebook (and, the commenters on this "white girls are the sexiest" page are mostly Black on first glance, so don't think it is a supremacist page or pin it and forget it as such... Their comments are "I want to marry a white woman", "lawd", Etc).

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Just found it interesting, to throw up. By a Black guy. If I just posted it here without this context, surely I'd get called out worse than I might, here.

I worked with two Black guys at a job I had right after meeting a beautiful red-headed girl- A girl who told me an angel told her the black race was "corrupt". I'm just saying what she said for context that one Black guy there wouldn't date Black girls, for some reason, and always-a lot of the time had a red-headed girl around who he pimped out ("lawd" this one...). The other Black guy was a Ukrainian immigrant, whose father was an immigrant to Ukraine then America after the fall of the Soviet Union. He also wouldn't date Black women. These two were more 'Black or White' than me, in some respect, seemingly. More to that story, there is connected. Very, very convoluted. Another time, perhaps.

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To get critical, and recant a little, I'm pretty sure the creator of the page is 'racist', even though in the introduction he claims that it is just appreciation. He posts pictures of women of other races, such as Black, and the women are definitely not the most beautiful examples of their 'race', in a laughable attempt to show how whites are more beautiful, with these to compare.

Also, the image above is also not the black and white truth, whatever agenda it might imply. I know I am born into certain privilege. But so are Blacks who are born into White societies. My privilege is running water. Antibiotics that saved my life as a child. Three meals a day. Centuries, millenia of technologies built upon technologies. My privilege is being born in the United States. Of course, one might see that as a certain curse if they want. And, just as antibiotics have saved my life, they also sucked the life out of me, by messing up my immune system. Mercury fillings saved my teeth (or ability to chew food), and introduced toxic metals. Money and goods exchanged for unrelated services (monetary system) has freed me from some things, but it has also in ways taken away, and enslaved me, in ways. Dropped into the wild, even with a group, I would struggle to survive, where thousands of years ago survival may have been the game... And I would have known the roots of things. Been more connected to the Earth. And I may have died when I was 45 but I would have been a grandfather... Maybe a great grandfather. I can go on. White privilege? Yea. Whites did alright for themselves.

But, 'White Privilege'? (1) Why is it something to be guilty of, or checked, to be treated in a civilized manner, and helped out, by/among those who consider you part of or related enough to their family/troop/tribe/colony? It is only natural. It is not that I consider for instance Blacks to be so separate that I can't relate to them... Though. But I definitely have a block, for me, to want to mix with them, and it repulses me when Minorities and Leftists alike in/for places like Ireland look at "progress" as a reduced amount of 'racism' as time passes, in the form of White kids and Black kids and Asian kids walking together (okay, fine, so far), to marrying and blending the races implied on a mass scale. This is their wish, many. To blend. And fuck... I don't like it. Not like this. Not mass immigration from populations largely separated for 75k years (a number, and some are more and some less). Not so fast. Not without a fight. This particular idea of "progress", tied to diverse people's increasingly populating places where Whites live and intermixing, has an end that is, to put it one way, anti-White.

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I understand the above image portrays a very 'Black or White' image of separation, which isn't positively true, especially with "all Europeans" as is stated on it, but generally, it has a point, even if it is crudely done in respects. I would see it wrong for it to become a trend for them to blend their uniqueness away. And for fucking money to promote it. Money and the Marxists/communists. Fucking hilarious.

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On the statement that there is a trend that most peoples, most 'races' consider 'Whites' to be most attractive, I have heard the lib-tard and PC explanations: "White culture has been shoved in their faces; Colonization; Etc.". I've even entertained it. But let me posit something different. Whites 'blush' the most. They turn white "like a ghost" if scared (well, can). Their skin color changes in more pronounced ways than most others. Their culture is more... Pronounced on Earth. Through them, pronunciation (okay... ok). Of course, they have aid/aids. But here- Whites have a much higher ratio of a type of melanin called pheomelanin, to other melanins. I'm not sure if it is actually more of it or just a higher ratio... It's something I'm going to inquire about and research later. But a contrast is surely seen. I do believe that redheads and blonds have exceptional amounts- the redheads being the more exceptional. Pheomelanin gives skin a pink-red tone/color, and is concentrated in lips, nipples, and sex organs. It is thought to play a role in sexual selection, as it does in birds, for instance. So, here we have observable, measurable reasons why whites, especially blonds and redheads, may be exceptionally sought after by many, and why a trend towards wanting a white mate among races is high enough for notice. At least maybe part of the explanation. Multi-weighted.

Though, regarding above, I have given thought to the PC 'explanation' that I touched upon (and that if you don't fully agree with, you're racist and stupid /sarcasm), and though I do believe it may possibly hold some credibility and value, I don't think it is the entire picture, and it isn't helpful to think that it is, and to stone-wall against other possible explanation for fear of offending people. And, granted, what I presented didn't take into account the seeming rarity of red and to a lesser extent blond hair, also, which may also play into explanation, as with possibly other factors... But there is that.

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(1) I asked why is it a privilege. I understand that not being an asshole is a good thing, sometimes, and Blacks and other minorities DO NOT deserve to be treated 'unfairly', but, basically I'm saying that it is quite natural for this to happen. And it will continue to happen like this as long as 'Whites' are a majority in and their certain uniqueness (and 'whiteness') is maintained in any nation such as the U.S., European nations, and Australia/New Zealand, and wherever else they colonized. Again, I do not want to blend away and dilute my peoples into increasing numbers of others, to 'rectify' this problem. And I don't think it is right, either, for this to happen.

This breath is a privilege. If you see it that way. And so is the fact that I failed so many times in my life. So is that my 'heart' has been 'broken', and so have I. And that I've been beaten, that's a privilege, because it gives me a chance for something else. You get the point.
 
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Using the term "privilege" makes one look like a pussified, simpering little bitch IMO. You're either apologizing for something that's not your fault or asking others to do the same.

The day I apologize for being Italian is the day i hand my balls over. I refuse to hate myself.
 
what 23 said:
But, 'White Privelage'? (1) Why is something to be guilty of, or checked, to be treated in a civilized manner, and helped out, by/among those who consider you part of or related enough to their family/troop/tribe/colony? It is only natural.

1. I don't think that you understand the concept of privilege. You just seem to be using it as a synonym for "advantage" or "benefit".
2. My tribe isn't "white people".

ebola
 
1. I don't think that you understand the concept of privilege. You just seem to be using it as a synonym for "advantage" or "benefit".

What is the concept of privilege if not the literal definition of the word? Maybe if the concept is different then a different word should be chosen. I know that I personally react negatively whenever I hear someone talk about privilege, specifically because the definition is an advantage or benefit. Therefore the implication of the term, with its negative connotation, is an ill-begotten advantage based on race, gender, etc.

Interestingly enough, if you type the word privilege into Google, the two synonyms given are advantage and benefit! =D
 
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What is the concept of privilege if not the literal definition of the word?

It is a specific piece of sociological jargon that also happens to have a colloquial meaning, like "class" or "institution". To some extent, one's conception of privilege depends on one's chosen theoretical framework, but I can put forth how I prefer to define it. I think of privilege as the ability to benefit from a social system's disparate allocation of resources while remaining blind to the processes which allocate these resources. So when I talk of white privilege, I am speaking about the ability of whites to benefit from disparate allocation of resources without attending to race, without navigating the institutions that distribute these resources in terms of their racial dimension. However, those oppressed by systemic racism need to attend specifically to racial disparities to navigate this same social system.

Another dimension to this is the distinction between marked and unmarked status. In some sense, status as white is unmarked, because it is (implicitly) approached as the 'default' race, a normalized baseline, that whites not even need attend to. DuBois argues that this particular cultural formation leads to a 'veiled' double-consciousness for those of marked status, whereby they are compelled to view themselves not only as agents but also as objects, as people view them as "other" by virtue of their marked status.

Interestingly enough, if you type the word privilege into Google, the two synonyms given are advantage and benefit!

Ah. This explains a bit of the widespread confusion. :)

ebola
 
filed under "additional race discussion"

Last night I walked into Kroger and heard a Black girl say this "Nigg-aw" or whatever, and I had to think "what if I said it?".

[video=youtube_share;ecJEZ9Utwmk]http://youtu.be/ecJEZ9Utwmk[/video]

I wouldn't even give them my time. Watching this guy squirm really made me wonder why he is even attempting to be respectful. But I guess he did try to speak with them before, being stupid, using their stupid fucking language. Stupid white dude. Love the corruption. Just love it! /sarcasm.
 
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I read an opposing views article written by a brainwashed leftist liberal who said that some guy "deserved to be called racist". It made me shake my head. People are really losing touch. And it is funny, sort of, and kind of sad... And frustrating.

Anyways... When someone calls you a "racist", try this video:

[video=youtube_share;QTQfGd3G6dg]http://youtu.be/QTQfGd3G6dg[/video]

:D

Basically it has become a "shame word", and to me it has lost its steam. While I admit that certain prejudices can be counterproductive, what some people fail to realize is that sometimes the 'racist' reaction should be respected a lot more than it is. It is akin to an immune response, and may actually have a positive function or arise from them. In our society now we tend to live largely in fantasy. We base our moral code on certain ideals, and not quite realities, and we keep even babies with major neural tube defects alive, or try to. Egalitarianism is a nice thought but when the chips are down we are all still just animals, and by accepting everything we might just be accepting the end- we might be poisoning ourselves- we may be forfeiting what got us here. But again, I'll admit I don't quite have objectivity, and something- my idea of certain predeterminement, argues that we are always presented with new challenges to use and overcome to become stronger. And that's what this is. And whatever it is is necessary. I don't know the end though.

The video above I'm having issues explaining how it connects for me (it just came into my head) but it seems to on the basis that so many times people call others racist it is just meaningless or worthless in that it doesn't respect how complicated the reality actually is... But has this reaction that makes the 'racist' fake apologize and nothing gets solved (no this doesn't mean not being "racist", though some people are nasty, and as mentioned where there are many racists I'll often try to pull them closer to center or the heart, but the left and shamers ask for this how I approach them). They basically go buy the emotionally decrepit leftist or liberal a shrubbery. Maybe attempt to cut trees down with herrings... I don't know. Fuckit. Ni. It. English Kaniggets.
 
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Online Memorial: Black on White murders in 2014
http://topconservativenews.com/memorial-wall-black-on-white-murders-in-2014/

Excerpt:
"...To provide the most complete picture of black/white interracial violence, we are also compiling a list of white on black murders. We have issued a challenge for the public to find actual white on black murders occurring in 2014. We even issued a challenge to the SPLC, since they hype a narrative that blacks live in fear of whites. So far we have only found three white on black murders, killed by two perps, for 2014.

One white on black murder is a major national news story. Where is the outrage for the daily occurring black on white murders?

Present Tally: 354
Hold Up/Hate Crime/Thrill Kill: 171*
Pizza Shop: 5
Cab Driver: 6
Police Officers Killed: 9
Home Invasion: 58
Killed By A Friend: 20
Killed while providing charity: 2
Femicide: 49**
Femicide Related: 14***
Killed by boyfriend’s brother: 2
Killed by son/daughter: 2
Killed by female in-law: 1
Killed by foster child: 1
Killed by foster parents: 1
Criminal Vehicular Homicide: 13****..."

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These are just murders. I'm sure there are many more violent (including sexual) assaults.
 
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And here we go again, again...

2 men open fire on Los Angeles police patrol car


By TAMI ABDOLLAH 2 hours ago

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Two men opened fire on a police car patrolling a tough part of Los Angeles, but the two officers inside were not injured and one was able to shoot back, authorities said Monday. One suspect was later arrested and the other was on the loose.
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The shooting occurred amid heightened tensions over attacks on police elsewhere in the country after grand juries declined to indict white officers in the killings of unarmed black men.

Police have not yet determined a motive for Sunday night's shooting in South Los Angeles — an area plagued by gang violence — but said there were no indications it was linked to other attacks on police in the country.

"It was a completely unprovoked attack," LAPD Deputy Chief Bob Green said initially. "They were just driving on the street, and somebody struck out and tried to kill two policemen."

However, Green later said police were looking into whether the officers might have driven into an ongoing dispute and were inadvertently fired at.

"Last night the initial assessment, based on the reaction of officers and the adrenaline factor, was they were getting ambushed, but, you know, things change and it takes a lot to investigate this," Green said.

Officers arrested one man shortly after the attack. Christopher Taylor, 18, was booked on suspicion of shooting at an occupied vehicle.

An hours-long search followed for the other man, but he remained at large. Police found a handgun and rifle at the scene, and were looking for video evidence and conducting interviews to determine details such as why and how the shooting occurred.

The two officers were responding to an unrelated radio call and driving slowly in a neighborhood when they saw two men on a sidewalk and the flash of a rifle being fired, police said.

The officers stopped the car, and one got out and returned fire as the men fled. Police found one suspect, uninjured, a short time later along with a rifle and a pistol.

Police searched the neighborhood throughout the night for the other man, warning nearby residents to stay in their homes. Police stopped the search after the man wasn't found.

Chief Charlie Beck said at a news conference Monday that he was concerned that people might be targeting officers but added that the neighborhood had been marred by gang violence during the past several months and there had been a significant number of gang shootings.

"It's gettin' bad, it's gettin' real bad," resident Isiah Frierson, 65, said Monday. "You can't go nowhere."

Tyler Izen, president of the Los Angeles Police Protective League, said the "blatant violence" was an outrage.

"Anyone who is willing to murder a law enforcement officer threatens the fundamental fabric of our society, and that should terrify the community," Izen said in a statement. "Murdering police officers is not a form of protest. It is an affront to all citizens and to public safety."

The shooting came as protesters in California and across the country have rallied for weeks against police killings of unarmed black men in Missouri and New York.

The killing of two New York City officers in their patrol car has authorities on edge across the country.

The New York gunman ambushed the officers then killed himself after posting threats online, including references to the fatal shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and the chokehold death of Eric Garner in New York City. Both were killed by white officers

http://news.yahoo.com/shots-fired-los-angeles-police-car-no-one-135526788.html

A race war is starting to really not sound that far fetched anymore unfortunately...
 
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whatever, and I had to think "what if I said it?".

Well, because language produces meaning insofar as it is contextually situated, the term would mean something very different when used by you (even when used appropriately in context).

Egalitarianism is a nice thought but when the chips are down we are all still just animals

Perhaps we should try to do better than this.

we may be forfeiting what got us here.

And what would that be, exactly? Even though tribalist warfare got us here, will it get us anywhere good from here on out?

The video above I'm having issues explaining how it connects for me (it just came into my head) but it seems to on the basis that so many times people call others racist it is just meaningless or worthless in that it doesn't respect how complicated the reality actually is...

While I will agree that framing things in terms of blame tends to be counterproductive, I don't think that racism should continue unaddressed. A good beginning point is noting that most people harbor unconscious biases that tend to shape cognition before we're aware of it. It doesn't make a great deal of sense to shame someone for harboring such biases, but ignoring them isn't particularly effective either.

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A race war is starting to really not sound that far fetched anymore unfortunately...

Yes, if systemic inequalities persist, they will spur social unrest in reaction to them. Unfortunately, this remains the primary vehicle of social change.

ebola
 
Yes, if systemic inequalities persist, they will spur social unrest in reaction to them. Unfortunately, this remains the primary vehicle of social change.

Lol, social change? If that means destroying your own community and acting like a bunch of rabid lawless animals every time a cop has to defend themselves against another violent thug then yeah, sure. As long as a certain community refuses to better itself and instead blames everything on perceived inequalities caused by whites with the backing of radical liberals nothing is going to get better.
 
Online Memorial: Black on White murders in 2014
http://topconservativenews.com/memorial-wall-black-on-white-murders-in-2014/

Excerpt:
"...To provide the most complete picture of black/white interracial violence, we are also compiling a list of white on black murders. We have issued a challenge for the public to find actual white on black murders occurring in 2014. We even issued a challenge to the SPLC, since they hype a narrative that blacks live in fear of whites. So far we have only found three white on black murders, killed by two perps, for 2014.

One white on black murder is a major national news story. Where is the outrage for the daily occurring black on white murders?

Present Tally: 354

Wait a minute - there were 650 deaths from falling from beds or other furniture (2000), most of which presumably happened to white people.

Today I learned: My bed is more likely to kill me than a black person.
 
So, what is 360 more White deaths (sarcasm, of course), by murder? Not to mention disproportionate rapes, assaults, and etc.

Also, consider in 2013 only 62% of the U.S. population was Non-Hispanic White. Which, makes me question if that conservative websites numbers include Hispanic Whites or not (I doubt it). Your bed stats are from 2000. Demography has changed. I would imagine the numbers (deaths) are similar now. Possibly even more likely to get killed by a Black, as a White, than falling out of bed. Don't know. You were sidestepping, anyways.

Kind of reminds me of my tobacco smoking friend pointing at all the cars going by when in argument that he couldn't smoke close to an entrance to a mall... As if that makes it okay to expose people (or themselves) to more pointless toxins.
 
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If that means destroying your own community and acting like a bunch of rabid lawless animals

Yes, such elements exist in any organically emergent movement that seeks to confront oppression directly. But even in the current case, this represents a small minority of the opposition I'm talking about.

As long as a certain community refuses to better itself

Do you mean like the Black Panthers' push for production of strong, autonomous black communities?
Because, yes, systemic racism exists, self-betterment in the absence of political opposition to such oppression can only go so far.

ebola
 
Durham police officer's home damaged in shooting

Posted: Dec 29, 2014 2:33 PM PST Updated: Dec 29, 2014 2:33 PM PST
by WNCN Staff

DURHAM, N.C. -

Durham police say the sliding glass door in an off-duty officer's apartment was damaged Monday afternoon in a shooting, although it is not yet known if the home was targeted.

The Durham Police Department said the officer was inside his apartment in the Atrium Apartments on Meriwether Drive when a shot shattered the outer pane of his dining room's sliding glass door around 2 p.m.

Police said the officer looked out the window and saw a man running in the woods behind his apartment.

The bullet did not enter the officer's apartment. Investigators are working to determine if the weapon was a pellet gun or a real gun.

Monday's shooting is the third incident in less than a week that a Durham police officer has encountered seemingly unprovoked violence.

Thursday night, an Durham police officer on routine patrol spotted two suspicious men approaching his car from behind at an abandoned apartment complex. When the officer got out of his vehicle, one of the men pulled a gun from his waistband and fired six shots at the officer.

And on Saturday, a Durham police officer was seriously injured when her police cruiser was struck by another vehicle.

The Durham Police Department has not said if any of the incidents are connected or if it believes police officers are being targeted.

Anyone with information Monday's shooting is asked to contact Investigator D. Mussatti at (919) 560-4582, ext. 29238.

http://www.wncn.com/story/27724647/durham-police-officers-home-damaged-in-shooting
 
Do you mean like the Black Panthers' push for production of strong, autonomous black communities?
Because, yes, systemic racism exists, self-betterment in the absence of political opposition to such oppression can only go so far.

The Black Panthers? Seriously? They're one of the most racist hatemongering groups there is.
 
Lol, social change? If that means destroying your own community and acting like a bunch of rabid lawless animals every time a cop has to defend themselves against another violent thug then yeah, sure. As long as a certain community refuses to better itself and instead blames everything on perceived inequalities caused by whites with the backing of radical liberals nothing is going to get better.

Oh ffs! Are you that fucking blind really? Cause if you are you need a slap upside the fucking head. The cops are not the friends of poor people black or white and both groups are now standing up to them which pisses off reactionaries like yourself. People like you are just blaming the black population for this current unrest when in fact it's just a symptom of the larger problem in society.

As for radical Liberals there are no radical Liberals they are centrist. But i guess that escapes your grasp of thinking
 
Lol did I strike a nerve? How many times have you used the word reactionaries in this forum anyways? But either way by all means black community, keep up this new fad of shooting at cops and see how much good change you evoke. People are getting tired of this shit.
 
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