The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

[GodandLove]

Damn them Norwegian girls is hot!

Who's the pedo now?

You make me sick!

 

[GodandLove]

For the record, I'm not sure what this thread is about, but I'll comment on what I've read from this page.

I'm ALL FOR MULTICULTURALISM! I'm all for interbreeding with immigrants (specifically Asian) and hybridization! Let's change the human race, let's change the WORLD!

HELL YEAH!

NEW SPECIES HERE WE COME!

 

[What 23]

So, you are saying we are different species?

Nevermind (seriously, I don't feel like talking about it).

 

[ebola?]

NEW SPECIES HERE WE COME!

Due to the meager proportion of genetic variation captured by race, the results of such 'interbreeding' (this is a misnomer when you lack genetically distinct populations) would be genetically trivial. There would be some broader spectrum of mixtures of skin tones and facial structure than we see today, but not anything really evolutionarily consequential.

Forced multiculturalism is evil and wrong. The very idea is to zap a place of all its uniqueness and make it the same/equal/communist imo

I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to by "forced multiculturalism", but you appear to be describing relatively unitary assimilation strongly compelled from without, not multiculturalism. The thrust of multiculturalism is, by definition, to promote cultural variation rather than bend all meanings toward a single standard. The "communist" quip is pretty much a throw-away. . .

ebola

 

[paranoid android]

They have a lot more closeness than a Pakistani does with either one of those. In this argument I won't 'get over it'... What is happening now is not at all the same as the gradual migrations and cohabitation and coming together that occurred over centuries or millenia, with much smaller numbers.

Umm no they don't. The Germanic people are as distinct from the Gaels ethnically then they are from Arabs. And in the case of many colonized places they didn't end up blending together nice and peaceful like or overtime.

 

[What 23]

I don't trust people who can't even differentiate and use correctly than and then and their they're and there to tell me how people are different or the same. Thanks though.

Then again that's not really parallel. But anyways. I'm not really equipped to argue with you right now... But I know that it is possible to be equipped and others might be.

Why do you think that people being drawn away from their home nations all to one area, Western Europe (and USA and Canada and Australia and [insert predominantly 'white' country name here]), is so acceptable and good? Why is it to you? I'm not saying that its bad to be tolerant, and generally accepting of difference, but why do you want it? And are you seeing full circle? Or?

Do you think the Dutch people would if they had a say, say they want all these immigrants? If the people actually governed themselves more closely and didn't bend to business owners and whatnot (your enemy), I doubt they'd be so gung-ho about outsiders coming in with their Mosques and setting up their enclaves. I mean I doubt the Celts and Germanics and etc got along so great either always. I doubt the Germanics took kindly to the encroaching Roman Empire. Its always been war, and stuff. Suddenly, we're supposed to just open our doors and say "we accept you! Yay multiculturalism!"? And goodbye our unique identity... The one that can say my grandfather was Swedish and other was Irish and people get a general idea of what they're talking about. Now a Swede can be a Black Muslim. I mean LOL. Its erosion, and I'd prefer it not happen there. Not so quickly. Not that way. And fuck- I may have reasons for that sentiment.

 

[ebola?]

I don't trust people who can't even differentiate and use correctly than and then and their they're and there

Weak, dude. . .

Its always been war, and stuff. Suddenly, we're supposed to just open our doors and say "we accept you! Yay multiculturalism!"?

Wow. I, for one, would like to try interaction across difference not rooted in war, etc. I think that humans are adaptable enough to handle this...we are maturing as a world-culture.

but why do you want it?

Any social system closed to hybridization, and in particular those also focused on maintenance of traditionalist culture, will stagnate culturally, leading to social discord due to systemic 'malfunction', as culture remains unable to adapt to social change. So we must embrace cultural variety and hybridization if we are to produce stable, mutually beneficial social practices.

And goodbye our unique identity...

Which identities are threatened by multiculturalism via which mechanisms?

Now a Swede can be a Black Muslim.

...or someone with other demographics. Even a white Christian male, if you want.

ebola

 

[Bardeaux]

Go to China take a picture of a section of youth, and if it were the norm to have one or two people out of 10 that look actually Chinese, And this became norm throughout, I would find it disturbing. I feel some European countries are on their way to becoming something like that.

Are you being serious right now?

You do realize that for thousands of years, China was not a unified country. China is divided into 56 officially different ethnic and linguistic groups, not one racist caricature. There are nineteen spoken languages within one family dynasty ffs.

Europe is broken up into 24 official languages and not many more ethnicities than in China, to put that into perspective.

How many distinct cultures/languages are spoken within the US?

Answer: more than both Europe and China combined.

 

[ebola?]

I'll just also note, briefly, that the idea of a nation-state (bound to a particular ethnicity that calls it "home") is a relatively recent invention (we can look to the emergence of the Westphalian system in the 1600s), so why would we assume the barriers placed by this system more valid than human right to free migration? Isn't true cultural autonomy the ability to collaborate with others to establish some shared vision? Then why should national borders hold greater claim to regulation of this process than voluntary cultural hybridization impelled by cross-national migration?

ebola

 

[socko]

Due to the meager proportion of genetic variation captured by race, the results of such 'interbreeding' (this is a misnomer when you lack genetically distinct populations) would be genetically trivial. There would be some broader spectrum of mixtures of skin tones and facial structure than we see today, but not anything really evolutionarily consequential.



I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to by "forced multiculturalism", but you appear to be describing relatively unitary assimilation strongly compelled from without, not multiculturalism. The thrust of multiculturalism is, by definition, to promote cultural variation rather than bend all meanings toward a single standard. The "communist" quip is pretty much a throw-away. . .

ebola

I'm getting the impression that the reason this thread isn't going anywhere is because nobody evens knows or agrees on the definitions of the words they're arguing about.

 

[What 23]

I think it's good to share and learn from one another... I'm not suggesting a cutting off. But this is very unnatural, for it to be happening in the amount of time... That is unless other level whatever civilizations develop technology in the universe at such a rate that it is akin to a cellular process in how often it occurs, or I was going to say a berry growing... Then its probably natural. I tend to believe that. Its kind of amazing that I have a spiritual belief if you will that includes that everything is done, and finished, but I still argue with how things go. I don't really know anything, and I can understand what you guys are saying, but I'm choosing to explore the racist path. LOL. No but what I mean is, I'm going to be an ass l. God bless it. I'm trying to say what I'm going to be.

I have a lot of unanswered questions that people are satisfied with the answers for.

 

[Bardeaux]

Are you being serious right now?
.

I'll take that as a yes

 

[paranoid android]

I'll just also note, briefly, that the idea of a nation-state (bound to a particular ethnicity that calls it "home") is a relatively recent invention (we can look to the emergence of the Westphalian system in the 1600s), so why would we assume the barriers placed by this system more valid than human right to free migration? Isn't true cultural autonomy the ability to collaborate with others to establish some shared vision? Then why should national borders hold greater claim to regulation of this process than voluntary cultural hybridization impelled by cross-national migration?

ebola

Ah the Pitfalls of National Consciousness as someone once said . The idea of a nation state is pretty much the product of the collapse of colonialism and has proved to be nothing but trouble in actually implementing it. I really don't see why if something fails time and time again why we must keep going back to it. The forming of nations does not run along straight ethnic lines so that idea is fucked from the get go.

 

[L2R]

But this is very unnatural, for it to be happening in the amount of time... That is unless other level whatever civilizations develop technology in the universe at such a rate that it is akin to a cellular process in how often it occurs, or I was going to say a berry growing... Then its probably natural. I tend to believe that. Its kind of amazing that I have a spiritual belief if you will that includes that everything is done, and finished, but I still argue with how things go. I don't really know anything, and I can understand what you guys are saying, but I'm choosing to explore the racist path. LOL. No but what I mean is, I'm going to be an ass l. God bless it. I'm trying to say what I'm going to be.

I have a lot of unanswered questions that people are satisfied with the answers for.

It is certainly not natural. As ebola pointed out, it's only a few hundred years old. These borders are only there to protect the dynasties. These "racial" divides are complete fiction too. Go back a few generations and lines so defined now become blurred beyond any use. i grew up with countless "asians" who have never stepped foot in asia. i'm sure you have too. eye shape or skin tone is no way on earth to measure or judge character, culture or identity.

borders and race are both fiction. they give a false sense of ego or identity, but in fact they are divisive and distracting of real human interaction. you can't own land beyond that which is supported by the holder of the monopoly of power in your area. the sovereign, the leviathon is not your protector, it is your jailer. it is your panopticon.

to be in support of your nation state is like a battery hen being in support of its cage.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Yea and it mainly happens in white countries.

I always figured the west is exporting a ton of culture. Admittedly, Westerners may not be settling places like the Central African Republic, but our culture is spreading there.

Hell, the boko-fucknuts name literally comes from being against western education. This is in Nigeria, which, like CAR, is not a hotbed of western settlement.

I saw a video by a Chinese guy talking about the lessening of the 'whites'. He saw the issue and proposed that we- like Chinese people in big cities in America, move to China and create towns, like their China-towns. I've seen many other people speak, of different races, who don't offend me, and who see the problem- who understand why it is a subject of discomfort.

What percentage of Chinese live in Chinatowns, refusing to be westernized, and what percentage embrace the great-American-whatever?

 

[Bardeaux]

What percentage of Chinese live in Chinatowns, refusing to be westernized, and what percentage embrace the great-American-whatever?

This is interesting in the same way that Little Havana is is Miami. They don't assimilate because they don't have to. They have their own communities with their own languages and own customs and culture. Nothing I see as good or bad, just interesting.

 

[What 23]

Well, I guess the brownout and fall of white civilization will coincide with worldwide disaster. Its not like the world we're heading toward is going to be a great place to be, by some projections. Unless something 'great' happens, we're fucked. The 'fading light', may be just coincidence. Global warming/climate change, water scarcity, problems with farming, bee die off, etc. Yep. Not to say correlation is causation, or anything.

 

[Bardeaux]

Do you ever post while sober?

just curious.

 

[L2R]

hey i thought the "murder all bees" thread i found on blackpeople.org was about some strange new rap album

 

[What 23]

"Rome, having been declared to exist everywhere, ceased to exist anywhere."