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The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

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socko said:
I think what he is saying is that whites have learned to expect citizen abuse from people who have a little bit of power.
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You would be correct on that.

Escher's Waterfall said:
Whoopsie, I accidentally trolled nuttynutskin. My tongue was firmly in cheek.

/But seriously, misuse of the term "assault rifle" does bother me. And "assault weapon" is just a made up term that describes very little.
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Yeah assault rifle is a vague term. The only difference between a semi auto AR-15 and say a semi auto .308 hunting rifle is that you can hit targets at a much longer distance and hunting rifles carry a much better round. I guess the difference there is that a armalite can be converted into a full auto where as with hunting rifles not so much. Then again wtf do you need a full auto for anyway? Id like to fire one just for fun but you'd use up a fuckload of ammo real quick.
 
A gang of teenagers used hammers to beat a newlywed to death in front of his wife and friend after they attacked his car early on Sunday morning in an apparently random attack.
Zemir Begic was heading home from a bar at 1:15 a.m in St Louis when a group of teenagers surrounded his car and began banging on it.
The 32-year-old stepped out of the vehicle, only to be yelled at and set upon with hammers, striking him in the head, abdomen and face and leaving him fatally injured.


His wife of six months Arijana Mujkanovic said: 'The last thing he did before he actually died was pull me out of the way and put himself in front of me, basically giving up his life for me.'
'That is out of anger because he doesn't deserve this and most of these people don't even know him,' she told KSDK.


Suad Nuranjkovic, 49, said Begic was driving and he was in the passenger seat when a group of at least five teens started banging on the car.
'I was afraid that if one of them had a gun, they were going to shoot me, so I didn't know what to do,' Nuranjkovic said.
He fled to a parking lot across the street.
'The picture is in my head, what I saw,' he said.
'I don't know why this is happening to Bosnians. We could go around and shoot people, too, but we just want peace.'


Two males, ages 15 and 16, were taken into custody - police say they know the identity of a third teen they suspect was involved.
The suspects are described as being a group of Hispanic and black males by the St Louis Post-Dispatch.
The attack was not related to Ferguson protests taking place in the city, police say.
On Sunday evening, members of the Bosnian community protested Bejic's death in Bevo Hill, and raised the possibility that Begic, who came to the US in 1996, had been killed because of he was Bosnian.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mers-sparking-protests-Bosnian-community.html

If he would have had conceal carry and shot the "teens" for banging on his car, he would be another Officer Wilson or George Zimmerman, but now he's just another statistic, another story the mainstream media will sweep under the rug.
 
^ When are those damn brown peoples gonna learn :! . We should also ban hammers imo they are dangerous. Nail guns should require special permit of some kind too :p
 
I admit when I read such things it arouses an us vs them mentality and to just take care of the problem expulsion seems justified. When I think and realize truth that most INTERRACIAL violence is carried out against European descended peoples in European colonies (not talking government coordinated military action), I wish Lincoln would have stayed around long enough to get the Blacks out.

And just to say this, it isn't because of 'hate'.

So, even though I say that, I know it doesn't seem realistic. Or fair to those countless many other brown people who aren't a part of the numbers. But still. Its hard to process.

Allegedly kids were screaming to kill whitey just before.

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^I wonder how far the mainstream media will take this story.

I doubt Obama, Holder, Al Sharpton and company will have a word to say about it.

Had he shot the kid with the hammer, the media would have made him into George Zimmerman.

We would have heard stories about how the "youth" was on his way to work construction with his hammer and the young man here murdered him in cold blood, you must wait to be hit before acting.

Lock and load brothers, better to be judged by 12 than carried out by 6.
 
Lol yes black people are terrifying i can't walk down the road without gettin mugged these days from them 8) . You clueless fuckin cunt ya. Id be alot more scared of the cops in the US right now and they unlike minorities can pretty much kill you and get away with it every time.
 
The key here is to use better judgement on an individual basis. I have to travel all around the county for my job into some rough areas. The times I need to work in rough areas(the west end) I typically wait until the last few days of the month and if it requires me to be outdoors Ill put it of till it is cold outside. Blame can be placed on all parties for these situations.
 
pa, I live in a neighborhood in Indianapolis where I can travel less than a mile and be a minority, to blacks, and a mile another way and see mainly hispanics, and a mile another way and see mainly whites. I do not 'live in fear' of blacks. I interact with them daily. Most of that interaction is neutral-positive, and negative not really different than others that I can place. I find some delightful. Like others.

But LosBlancos has a point. Had that WHITE Bosnian shot that motherfucker with a hammer this would be probed as a racial crime. But even though these kids were screaming kill whitey, before hammering this guy, nothing. Nothing yet.

I can't say any whites have been targeted here, near me, overall... But, a white guy was out running one morning and two blacks just decided to gun him down. Guy had a new kid and wife at home. Just enjoying a jog.

Cop in my town, white guy, murdered over summer by black.

But eh. No matter the fact that most aggressive crimes I hear about are committee by blacks against whites (interracial crime)... Most crimes like driving an automobile into white joggers (I'll find a link), were black on white... Most mob violence was carried out by blacks on whites... And I know rape happens more black on white... Even still, Despite my words here, mostly I evaluate the individual. And most individuals I interact with are about as trustworthy as anyone else when it gets down to it.

But I won't lie that I've been probably dissapointed more by Blacks. Probably because I've extended certain trust or... in hopes to break my own rigid barriers. And really in ways for sure my exposure to whites being more will have had whites disappoint me more. But... Hmm. Car stereo stolen by blacks. 100 from my hand by blacks. Threatened as a "pussy ass white boi" by a black for not letting him use an expired coupon or something at dominos pizza. Not tipped by most blacks... And neither were the blacks I worked with. Yep. Its a hard world.
 
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I have to admit that as time goes on and this protesting keeps going, even though I feel its a bullshit case, if some change comes out of this to the way pigs deal with people then Im all for it. Bottom line, pigs are out of control and if this is the catalyst to some change then so be it.

You can pick cases all day long that show white cops on black people and you can pick cases that have black cops on white people. Im sure some are race driven but I think its more of just a power hungry, trigger happy police force that need to be dealt with. They need to be treated the way civilians are treated.

I think one of the biggest problems is how they get off scott free in courts. I dont think I have ever seen a cop get more then 2 years in jail and for some serious crimes. One cop I read about was running around pulling over women and sticking his hand in a place he shouldn't have. Come to find out, quite a few cops knew about this and did nothing. Now, can you imagine if one of us was running around doing that to people. They would destroy you in the media first, then god knows how long you would get in the penitentiary. He got 2 years and served less then that.

Thats the problem, among other things. These cops know that nothing is going to happen so they shoot first and ask questions later cause it really doesn't matter, white, black, brown, nothing will happen to them. If they knew they were gonna be held accountable to the laws they protect, well i think it would be a different story. Watching some of your buddies go down hard Im sure would have an effect.

Their out of control. All the run ins with cops Ive had, and its been a few, they were all dicks to me. (except for one). I couldnt tell you the race but I can tell you they were all dicks that had one goal and that was to put me in jail and when they couldnt, they were not happy. Thats bullshit that it ruins their day when they cant put a fellow citizen in jail. I dont think that was the first intention when they developed the first police department.

There is a reason that people get anxiety, even if totally innocent, when being confronted by cops. Cause of all the backwards bullshit we have heard from other people, the news, and other experiences we have had. Their is a reason the U.S. had the most prisoners out of any nation. Their is reasons they act the way they do.

I think we all can agree that change needs to take place somewhere. It really needs to stop being such a racial thing. From both sides of the argument. The media is such a instigator of it. I heard one reporter on this story talk and I swear within the first ten seconds he had said the white, black, white, black 5 times. If everyone came together as one, it would be such a more powerful force. They cant stop that. Cops are the problem and its a problem that needs addressing.
 
LosBlancos said:
You live in Canada.
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Yeah cause there's like no blacks in Canada 8) . My cousin is black (well half Jamaican half Newfoundlander) and i lived in a neighborhood with him and his mom where i was one of the only white people in the whole fucking hood. It was by no means a nice neighborhood either but generally like everywhere else you didn't get fucked with for no reason. Hell they where generally alot more pleasant to deal with then the stupid drunken violent crackheads back home. They are still human (though the likes of you seem not to see that) and believe it or not assholes come in all colors.
 
paranoid android said:
Yeah cause there's like no blacks in Canada 8) . My cousin is black (well half Jamaican half Newfoundlander) and i lived in a neighborhood with him and his mom where i was one of the only white people in the whole fucking hood. It was by no means a nice neighborhood either but generally like everywhere else you didn't get fucked with for no reason. Hell they where generally alot more pleasant to deal with then the stupid drunken violent crackheads back home. They are still human (though the likes of you seem not to see that) and believe it or not assholes come in all colors.
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I'm sure there are blacks in every country of the world and I never said they are all violent.

You truly have no idea how it is in the inner-cities of America. For any of us in the major cities your anecdotes we can take with a grain of salt, but I see on the news every night the shootings, robberies, rapes, every night always concentrated to the same areas.
 
LosBlancos said:
I'm sure there are blacks in every country of the world and I never said they are all violent.

You truly have no idea how it is in the inner-cities of America. For any of us in the major cities your anecdotes we can take with a grain of salt, but I see on the news every night the shootings, robberies, rapes, every night always concentrated to the same areas.
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Exactly inner cities where poverty is rampant. But if you actually think that white guys aren't as violent as blacks when put in the same conditions you are not only a racist but also rather naive. I've seen white people pull far worse stunts then just hammering on someones car. So again a few isolated cases barely represent everyone now do they? I would say there are parts of Edmonton every bit as violent as some inner cities in the US. It's basically second only to Winnipeg in topping the charts in murder rates though i think Edmonton may be beating them out lately. It's basically a city where you just have guys from either the east coast or immigrants moving there to go work on the oil patch and nothing else. So when they get off work they have nothing to spend all their cash on besides of course drugs,alcohol and prostitutes. The cops out there (even fucking Quisling cocksucking cops from here) really hate us as they automatically associate us with everything blacks or whatever scapegoats in other places get associated with. Sure some of us go out there for no other reasons then to escape the law back here and usually cause new shit out there but the vast majority of us aren't like that.

Basically every place has their scapegoats it's just that in inner city America it tends to be black people. The common factor however is always Socio-Economic status which is something neither Conservatives or Liberals ever want to admit.
 
paranoid android said:
Basically every place has their scapegoats it's just that in inner city America it tends to be black people. The common factor however is always Socio-Economic status which is something neither Conservatives or Liberals ever want to admit.
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That's all you hear liberals go on about. Socio-economic status. If only we invested more money in public schools, gave out more money in benefits then there wouldn't be crime, or dish out more spots in the diversity quota of affirmative action programs there would be less crime. There rhetoric is completely bereft of any accountability whatsoever for these problems. The scapegoat is the government and more specifically "white America". Even the gun laws get blamed, when it's fully apparent there are many areas (typically almost exclusively white rural areas) where every person has a gun and yet there remains no murders, and no they aren't rich, mostly areas of coal miners or lumberjacks.

Trying to find statistics on this is proving very hard for me but if you have some showing whites of the lowest income bracket have a similar murder rate as lower-income blacks please do enlighten us, and I mean for the U.S. as a whole not cherrypicking a particular state or city that supports your view as you love to do with your anecdotes about your town in Canada.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Your apparent fear of what will happen.
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What would tell me if I've said I've had a gun stuck to my head before, been jumped up, got into confrontations with someone yelling gang slogans who gets on their cell phone telling me their calling their "homeboys over"? Had a nice pair of Bose headphones, and had a little 10 year old black kid walk up behind me and yank them breaking them thinking he'd actually be able to get them off my head in one piece. I don't bother with an of these anecdotes because they really don't mean much.

I think there's alot of people that might live in diverse areas but have no idea how things are in actual hoods, especially people in Canada or Europe. Just turn on your local news if you live in a major metropolitan area, more than likely you will see crime concentrated in a few areas and a very disproportionate amount of it committed by the same demographic.
 
LosBlancos said:
I'm sure there are blacks in every country of the world and I never said they are all violent.

You truly have no idea how it is in the inner-cities of America. For any of us in the major cities your anecdotes we can take with a grain of salt, but I see on the news every night the shootings, robberies, rapes, every night always concentrated to the same areas.
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LosBlancos said:
That's all you hear liberals go on about. Socio-economic status.
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Does not compute. Why is the violence always concentrated in certain areas?

What is the difference between peaceful, middle class black Canadians and impoverished Black Americans in Ghettos? Or the difference in legitimately affluent Latin American societies and the bulk of poor working class Latin Americans? Not knowing if there will be food on the table is incentive to do some fucked up things, in Canada, in the US and in Latin America. There are recentish historical instances where people fucking killed and ate each other in order to survive elsehwere in the world.

People generally find a way to make ends meet. Whether it's selling used cars, running and dealing drugs, working as an HR rep or as an assassin/foot soldier in a gang, stealing cars, working as a professor or as a body mechanic. Some of these involve a great deal of depravity and violence, while others just don't. How does socioeconomic status NOT fit in here?
 
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