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The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

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Bardeaux said:
Point being, stop directing frustrations at small business owners and everyday citizens.
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Well, I can agree with that, don't know about the other part. They did do a legal protest in front of a Band of America during the occupy shit here, they didn't loot it tho which was probably a good call on their part if they valued their lives. I'm still not sure what they accomplished if anything tho. I still think boycotting makes more sense. Don't like a corporation? Don't use it/buy it's products. Problem is the general public loves their material possessions and wants them cheap. Corporations wouldn't exist if people didn't support them. Either way, back on the Ferguson topic... I don't think the protesters/rioters actually have a cause other than "white person killed black person must loot liquor store and steal the Nikes I can't afford!!!".
 
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nuttynutskin said:
Don't like a corporation? Don't use it/buy it's products. Problem is the general public loves their material possessions and wants them cheap. Corporations wouldn't exist if people didn't support them.
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This is all fine and dandy until we start looking into the conglomerate family tree. The only way to fully boycott major corporations is to entirely cut yourself off from all corporate entities and their subsidiaries.

Shit, even Ted Kaczynski wasn't totally successful in doing this.
 
If all our corporations left, we would become a third-world country. Sure government jobs pay good, and have vastly inflated pensions which hit their local municipalities with huge property taxes. Let's be honest though, think of how many people WalMart, Apple, BestBuy, any of our major corporations employ. They're not all horrible.
 
LosBlancos said:
If all our corporations left, we would become a third-world country. Sure government jobs pay good, and have vastly inflated pensions which hit their local municipalities with huge property taxes. Let's be honest though, think of how many people WalMart, Apple, BestBuy, any of our major corporations employ. They're not all horrible.
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wut
 
LosBlancos said:
[h=2]The United States Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)announced on March 12th that the total cost of employing a state or local government worker is 45% more than an equivalent worker in the private sector[/h]
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...ment-Workers-Cost-45-More-Than-Private-Sector
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Clearly you didn't even bother reading the primary source that you even took the time to link to 8)

Government employees earn less than the private sector but the total cost to employers is entirely based on insurance costs

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Table A. Relative importance of employer costs for employee compensation, June 2014
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Compensation Civilian Private State and local
component workers industry government
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Wages and salaries 68.7% 69.8% 64.0%
Benefits 31.3 30.2 36.0
Paid leave 7.0 6.9 7.3
Supplemental pay 2.4 2.8 0.8
Insurance 9.0 8.3 12.0
Health benefits 8.6 7.8 11.7
Retirement and savings 5.2 4.1 9.9
Defined benefit 3.3 1.9 9.0
Defined contribution 1.9 2.2 0.8
Legally required 7.7 8.1 5.9
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Droppersneck said:
Id take a rich voter over a poor voter any day of the week. The rich one at least has a better likelihood to be somewhat educated ime
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Well that's because you live in a neoliberal dystopia where poor people are denied the same access to education as rich people - you know, kind of like the rest of the world was in the 19th century
 
bit_pattern said:
Clearly you didn't even bother reading the primary source that you even took the time to link to 8)

Government employees earn less than the private sector but the total cost to employers is entirely based on insurance costs

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Table A. Relative importance of employer costs for employee compensation, June 2014
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Compensation Civilian Private State and local
component workers industry government
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Wages and salaries 68.7% 69.8% 64.0%
Benefits 31.3 30.2 36.0
Paid leave 7.0 6.9 7.3
Supplemental pay 2.4 2.8 0.8
Insurance 9.0 8.3 12.0
Health benefits 8.6 7.8 11.7
Retirement and savings 5.2 4.1 9.9
Defined benefit 3.3 1.9 9.0
Defined contribution 1.9 2.2 0.8
Legally required 7.7 8.1 5.9
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This and they didnt distinguish b/t merit and non-merit appointees which could skew up the numbers. Government employees typically get decent benefits b/c the salary is not competitive with the private sector IME
 
nuttynutskin said:
Well, I can agree with that, don't know about the other part. They did do a legal protest in front of a Band of America during the occupy shit here, they didn't loot it tho which was probably a good call on their part if they valued their lives. I'm still not sure what they accomplished if anything tho. I still think boycotting makes more sense. Don't like a corporation? Don't use it/buy it's products. Problem is the general public loves their material possessions and wants them cheap. Corporations wouldn't exist if people didn't support them. Either way, back on the Ferguson topic... I don't think the protesters/rioters actually have a cause other than "white person killed black person must loot liquor store and steal the Nikes I can't afford!!!".
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Droppersneck said:
Id take a rich voter over a poor voter any day of the week. The rich one at least has a better likelihood to be somewhat educated ime
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Why not educate the populace instead of having better education as a privilege? I view education as a human right not as something that only the rich are entitled too. Lack of education is what has so many people falling for Right wing populism in the first place and it's much easier to control ignorant people then educated people. As Robespierre said "The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant"

I don't think anyone besides maybe a few far Right Conservatives and Right Libertarians want a plutocracy.
 
It has. But between the early 1930s and the 1970s, these large businesses were useful and weren't the center of the economic universe. It was much more common for a man (or woman) to own his own small, successful business. The people who did work for large conglomerate corporations were paid progressive wages as production also increased. People didn't flock to Detroit and Chicago to earn just enough to live in squalor. Big business has been rolling back labor standards and regulation for several decades, and as a result, the "middle class" is being strangled to a slow death.
 
Bardeaux said:
It has. But between the early 1930s and the 1970s, these large businesses were useful and weren't the center of the economic universe. It was much more common for a man (or woman) to own his own small, successful business. The people who did work for large conglomerate corporations were paid progressive wages as production also increased. People didn't flock to Detroit and Chicago to earn just enough to live in squalor. Big business has been rolling back labor standards and regulation for several decades, and as a result, the "middle class" is being strangled to a slow death.
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Then came hordes of workers from third-world countries willing to work for pennies (figuratively speaking) an hour. Then came the erosion of the Middle-class.
 
LosBlancos said:
Then came hordes of workers from third-world countries willing to work for pennies (figuratively speaking) an hour. Then came the erosion of the Middle-class.
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I'm pretty sure this isn't unique to the 40 years between 1930 and 1970.

The common thread though (from the early 1800s to now), is how immigrants have always been used as social and political scapegoats.

I can just imagine TheWhites holding up Reefer Madnessesque "mexican devil weed" signs in the 30s or handing out "Go back to Ireland" pamphlets in the 1860s.
 
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Bardeaux said:
I'm pretty sure this isn't unique to the 40 years between 1930 and 1970.

The common thread though (from the early 1800s to now), is how immigrants have always been used as social and political scapegoats.

I can just imagine TheWhites holding up Reefer Madnessesque "mexican devil weed" signs in the 30s or handing out "Go back to Ireland" pamphlets in the 1860s.
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I thought the scapegoats were the upper-class white guys?? Haha, them and their evil privledge ultimately responsible for all the ills of the world.
 
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