The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

[bit_pattern]

LulWut23 showing how badass he is

 

[nuttynutskin]

Send gold bullion pls, your us currency isn't worth the grimy paper with dead slave owners printed on it.

As for your weak "logic/reason" duality remark, I've made it clear to the poster I was referring to that I do not explain things to mindless fools like him. Waste of time.
Now I'll let the "anti-intellectual" crowd get back to your fear-of-black-America apologetic acrobatics.
It is obviously not worth discussing serious issues with you clowns.

Would you like some cheese with your whine? You sound exactly like the type of person the one guy was talking about in the video which is probably why you think he's full of shit. I of course understand where the resentment comes from with some blacks... Slavery among other things was an unfortunate part of US history, but last time I checked it's 2014. Black people can either dwell on the past and blame white people for all of their problems, or work to better themselves.

As far as "anti-intellectual", what's "anti-intellectual" about being able to defend your life? You really are stupid if you think I, or anyone else here with similar views on this case are racist and have some agenda to keep black people down. I would be saying the same thing about this case whether Brown was white, black, yellow, green or blue. It's the black racists, liberals and media that wants to make it racial. And like it's been said ad nauseum, you never get this outrage when a black person kills another black or any other race for that matter, it's just another crime that gets reported locally. But whenever a white person kills a black even in self defense it's a national tragedy.

But either way, tell me what do you do when a 6ft 4 300lb man has just assaulted you and then decides to charge at you again? Let him grab your gun so he can kill you with it and you can become a sacrifice for the greater African American good?

 

[What 23]

Fortunately I've never been in a situation where I felt I needed to injure/kill someone.

 

[paranoid android]

Says the guy who has never even been in a fist fight in his life

Sadly enough the types who have never been in a real fight like say most pigs or What23 are usually the first ones to pull a gun and panic in a fight. A person who has actually grown up abit rough would be much less likely to panic in such a situation then someone who has never even been in a slap up. The last thing i would want to introduce into a street fight is a gun not only because it can be taken from you but also because you just turned something that will at worst probably require some stitches into something lethal. There is nothing as unpredictable and dangerous as some jumpy cunt with a gun. Most cops fall into this category as well as they don't exactly get the best training.

 

[realtalkloc]

The poor, oppressed middle-class white male - let's all break out into a rendition of 'nobody knows' 8)

LOL

Fortunately I've never been in a situation where I felt I needed to injure/kill someone.

fortunately for you.

 

[bit_pattern]

I of course understand where the resentment comes from with some blacks... Slavery among other things was an unfortunate part of US history, but last time I checked it's 2014. Black people can either dwell on the past and blame white people for all of their problems, or work to better themselves.

Do you really think that inequality and oppression of black people stopped with the end of slavery? You need a history lesson. And I don't mean that in a condescending way - we don't always see eye to eye on some issues but generally I respect you as someone with a degree of empathy and the ability to think a bit deeper about stuff. There are very deep structural issues that affect black communities in America and, while things have improved in the last few decades, they are still perpetuated through to this very day. When you get the time I'd highly recommend reading this article, it goes far deeper into the real issues of race that still afflict American society. It's a long read but it's worth taking the time to delve into.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

In this particular case, from my perspective, whether this kid was a "thug" or not - whether he assaulted the cop or not - the rage and resentment that has exploded goes much, much deeper than this one kid. And the response of the police to the protests should be cause for concern for any right thinking person - is this the sort of country you really want to live in? Where police declare martial law. Where the police arrest and assault journalists for doing their job? Where the right to free assembly is rendered null and void? Where the police behave like an occupying force and don't in any way represent the neighbourhoods they're supposed to be protecting?

 

[bit_pattern]

Fortunately I've never been in a situation where I felt I needed to injure/kill someone.

So basically you have NFI what you're talking about and feel like a tough guy behind a keyboard when you imagine yourself with a gun in a real situation? BAD-ASSSSS!

[video=youtube_share;Wyoghyoze04]http://youtu.be/Wyoghyoze04[/video]

 

[What 23]

I've been in situations where I did need to protect others, and I did so without injury to myself or the others.

I'm also pretty decent at paintballing, from what little I've played.

I know I have it in me.

Keep trolling if you like. I won't feed you anymore than this.

 

[nuttynutskin]

Rebellion is only OK when it applies to AR-15 toting white boys, dontchyaknow?

I was with you on the Israel thing for once, but other than that you seem to have a pretty skewed view of the US whic is especially funny when you claim how bad it is here but live in Australia. I'm pro-gun and own one but am not an idiot about it, just like most gun owners here. The shit you see on the news is nothing more than sensationalist propaganda to try to make gun owners look like lunatics. Have their been a few open carriers going into stores with assault rifles to try to get attention and try to make some sort of point? Sure. But if you think that's the norm you're sadly mistaken. I myself find it stupid because they're attracting unnecessary attention to themselves. It would obviously make much more sense to carry a concealed handgun within the public realm, but like I said they're doing it for attention.

If you aren't a champion of the oppressed or a victim, you're an oppressor. The standard model.

Pretty much.

 

[spacejunk]

^ @ bit_pattern -I have nothing to add to this.
Would I protect myself if this guy was attacking me? I'm not a police officer (and have no particular concern for police officers) so I cannot put myself in the killer's shoes. Not even hypothetically.

As for mentioning the "liberal media" - sorry, you've lost me there.
What is that, and when/where did it operate?

White folk that get knotted up about feeling 'blamed' for racist oppression either need to gain some perspective or possibly have feelings of guilt that are founded in reality.
Either way, projecting them on those who disagree with you serves little purpose in this (or any) discussion.

 

[paranoid android]

Rebellion is only OK when it applies to AR-15 toting white boys, dontchyaknow?

By this standard the Provisional IRA would have never been listed as a terrorist group in most countries. So simply white=non terrorist doesn't quite hold up as a rationality for governments to label certain groups as terrorists.

Basically those on the side of the countries in question are not the terrorists while those who are against the state are labelled as terrorists. The Taliban are a example of a group that emerged from a US backed resistance movement and only became terrorists when they fucked with the US. ISIS is yet another example. Reducing it down to the color of someone skin is simply identity politics of the worst kind.

 

[nuttynutskin]

Walking into Walmart or a mall with an assault rifle strapped to you? Pretty stupid. Protecting your business from looters with one? Not so much...

Missouri Business Owners Armed Themselves Against Rioters

Posted by Bob Owens on August 15, 2014 at 10:17 am

There are a lot of pro-gun stories that the mainstream media would rather not tell, like the tale of two businesses just minutes down the road from the epi-center of the Ferguson, Missouri riots that stood their ground with guns in hand against the possible appearance of a raging mob:


Nobody is robbing St. Louis Ink Tattoo Studio anytime soon. Or County Guns, for that matter.

The two north-county businesses share a storefront in a Florissant strip mall less than ten minute drive from the epicenter of last night’s riots in Ferguson. After nightfall, what began as a community’s peaceful demonstration against the Ferguson Police Department’s shooting of unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown turned increasingly violent. Crowds plundered a QuikTrip and burned it to the ground, and local news began reporting brazen raids on other stores in the area.

After hearing of the roving bands of looters, Mike Gutierrez knew he had to protect his tattoo shop. He brought a posse with him, including Adam Weinstein, owner of County Guns, who was acutely worried about criminals getting their hands on his merchandise.

http://bearingarms.com/missouri-bus...bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate

 

[bit_pattern]

I'm also pretty decent at paintballing, from what little I've played.

BAHAHAHA! You twit

 

[bit_pattern]

I was with you on the Israel thing for once, but other than that you seem to have a pretty skewed view of the US blah blah blah

Oh. I must have mistaken you for someone else. I take back all of the stuff I said in the post that you ignored 8)

 

[bit_pattern]

Fuck I can't wait to laugh at the deadshits when it's THEIR community being over-run by police paramilitaries. As the empire decline you can rest assured it's won't be the "caliphate" they'll be using all of that military equipment against

 

[paranoid android]

Walking into Walmart or a mall with an assault rifle strapped to you? Pretty stupid. Protecting your business from looters with one? Not so much...

Missouri Business Owners Armed Themselves Against Rioters

Posted by Bob Owens on August 15, 2014 at 10:17 am

There are a lot of pro-gun stories that the mainstream media would rather not tell, like the tale of two businesses just minutes down the road from the epi-center of the Ferguson, Missouri riots that stood their ground with guns in hand against the possible appearance of a raging mob:


Nobody is robbing St. Louis Ink Tattoo Studio anytime soon. Or County Guns, for that matter.

The two north-county businesses share a storefront in a Florissant strip mall less than ten minute drive from the epicenter of last night’s riots in Ferguson. After nightfall, what began as a community’s peaceful demonstration against the Ferguson Police Department’s shooting of unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown turned increasingly violent. Crowds plundered a QuikTrip and burned it to the ground, and local news began reporting brazen raids on other stores in the area.

After hearing of the roving bands of looters, Mike Gutierrez knew he had to protect his tattoo shop. He brought a posse with him, including Adam Weinstein, owner of County Guns, who was acutely worried about criminals getting their hands on his merchandise.

http://bearingarms.com/missouri-bus...bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate

If this isn't proof that the last thing the right wing in America is ever going to do is defend themselves against tyranny with guns then i don't know what is. Their town is under martial law and all they can think of using those guns for is to protect against mostly unarmed looters? I would be impressed if the so called pro gun anti-government crowd stopped acting like typical reactionaries and instead used those guns to defend their community from the tyranny of martial law. But as these people are of the petite Bourgeois class thus counter revolutionary to the core you see them yet again backing up the regime they claim to hate.

 

[What 23]

Honestly...

 

[nuttynutskin]

In this particular case, from my perspective, whether this kid was a "thug" or not - whether he assaulted the cop or not - the rage and resentment that has exploded goes much, much deeper than this one kid. And the response of the police to the protests should be cause for concern for any right thinking person

I'd be more concerned about the hoodlums lobbing Molotov cocktails, shooting guns off (some even at the police I believe), burning buildings down and tearing the city apart honestly...

- is this the sort of country you really want to live in? Where police declare martial law. Where the police arrest and assault journalists for doing their job? Where the right to free assembly is rendered null and void? Where the police behave like an occupying force and don't in any way represent the neighbourhoods they're supposed to be protecting?

Well first off you again come across as making this sound like this is a common occurrence in the US. We're talking about a city with a history of racial tension. But to answer your question yes... If rioters are destroying the city and the cops can't handle it I support them sending in the National Guard. What other options do they have other than to have their city destroyed? The rioters had plenty of time and warning to cease their actions but chose not to. As far as arresting journalists I would have to know the details. That's probably really the only thing I found a bit fishy out of this whole clusterfuck so far. The police/National Guard may be acting like an "occupying force" but frankly that's because the rioters forced them to. I mean how are they supposed to represent and protect the neighborhoods when the neighborhoods don't even care about or protect themselves? They're basically trying to protect them from themselves.

The asinine thing is that the only thing the hoodlums are hurting is their own community. Once all of this is over and the owners of destroyed businesses collect insurance and move out along with other residents a lot of the black people will be back to singing the song about how there's no opportunities in their city and how once more the white man's got them down.

Oh. I must have mistaken you for someone else. I take back all of the stuff I said in the post that you ignored 8)

Wow you sure come off as a douchebag on here. I thought maybe I had the wrong impression about you for a while, but now it's pretty clear I didn't. Sorry for taking the time to try to respond in an attentive manner to your post. Next time I'll just post a one-liner insult like you do to anyone that doesn't share your same beliefs which for some reason the mods of this section always conveniently ignore.

 

[realtalkloc]

Wow you sure come off as a douchebag on here. I thought maybe I had the wrong impression about you for a while, but now it's pretty clear I didn't. Sorry for taking the time to try to respond in an attentive manner to your post. .

stop crying and stick to the discussion. i love you unconditionally.

 

[nuttynutskin]

If this isn't proof that the last thing the right wing in America is ever going to do is defend themselves against tyranny with guns then i don't know what is. Their town is under martial law and all they can think of using those guns for is to protect against mostly unarmed looters? I would be impressed if the so called pro gun anti-government crowd stopped acting like typical reactionaries and instead used those guns to defend their community from the tyranny of martial law. But as these people are of the petite Bourgeois class thus counter revolutionary to the core you see them yet again backing up the regime they claim to hate.

Yeah, it's horrible they're protecting their businesses from violent looters. They should instead start shooting at the National Guard for trying to bring order back into the city. That sounds smart.

Honestly...

I know right?

stop crying and stick to the discussion. i love you unconditionally.

You I'm ignoring.