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The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

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I completely agree with most of what this guy is saying. Iv'e always said how crazy how all these people who always protest when a person who happens to be black is shot by a person who happens to be white never give a shit when young black boys and girls who were just playing outside like little kids should be able to, get killed in the crossfire of gang violence. I also don't remember any protests when this old black man cowardly killed a white dad in cold blood in front of his little daughter on the basket ball courts just because the dad was standing up for the skateboarders who the old man was harassing. Even though they weren't bother anybody and the basketball players didn't mind sharing the courts with them.

Of coarse we still we still have racism towards African Americans in the US but constantly jumping the race card for everything is disrespectful to all the black men and woman who really were killed in racist hate crimes. The fact some black parents brainwash their kids into thinking that because of their skin color everyone in America is out to get them and will try and bring them down; when some of the best athletes, doctors, scientists, ect in our country are black moves us back not forward.
 
http://bearingarms.com/police-alleg...michael-brown-charged-injured-police-officer/

Don't want to get shot? Don't assault a police officer (fracturing his eye socket), take off running, and then turn around and bumrush the injured officer. I can't believe how many people mindlessly believe testimonies from people who all of their life have grown up taught to hate cops, authority, and most likely white people. You seriously think they're going to tell the truth about what really happened? All this bullshit about him having his hands up, being shot in the back, etc. is laughable especially now that the real truth is coming out.
 
I've got a gun, this guy comes at me after assaulting me once, I'm going to fire a couple of shots at his feet and warn him, depending on his distance, and if he takes one more step I'm aiming center.

The multiple shots could have been losing his head, or perhaps Brown really kept coming at him. 6 feet 4 and 300 lbs is a lot of man. Not to mean he can take more bullets, but he can be intimidating.

I agree with a lot of things you've said on this but this isn't one of them. The injured officer had about 2 seconds before Brown would've been on him again. You don't shoot to injure someone (and in your case most likely missing them if they're running at you), you shoot to stop a threat. Also people seem to have this notion that one shot will send someone flying backwards 10 feet like in the movies when the reality is a lot of times it can take multiple shots to bring someone down unless you hit a vital area. But even with that said, in the autopsy they only found 3 bullets. The reason their were more wounds were because some of them were exit wounds.

Oh, and the guy in that video hit the nail on the head.
 
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Iv'e always said how crazy how all these people who always protest when a person who happens to be black is shot by a person who happens to be white never give a shit when young black boys and girls who were just playing outside like little kids should be able to, get killed in the crossfire of gang violence.

This isn't quite accurate, though. There's a difference between "these people giving a shit" about something and having it plastered all over the media for weeks. Public condemnation of gang violence is widespread and has been for decades. Thousands of marches, hundreds of organizations, petitions, legislation etc have all been involved in stopping violence among gangs and citizens. One thousand protesters march through Wichita every year. Hundreds of Chicago residents marched through Chicago just two months ago. The Council for Unity has over 100k members and has been in existence for 30 years.

So there's plenty of opposition and outrage towards every day violence. It's just not a thunderous news story that catches the attention of millions. Just like how there are hundreds of police shootings just like the Brown incident that go unnoticed by the media every year, involving all races.


I also don't remember any protests when this old black man cowardly killed a white dad in cold blood in front of his little daughter on the basket ball courts just because the dad was standing up for the skateboarders who the old man was harassing.

Is the murder of white dads by old black men an unfortunate aspect of our civil structure though? Like I said above, there are countless tragedies every year, involving all races.

But what are people going to protest in your scenario? The ongoing injustice of state sanctioned, systematic violence against white people by elderly minorities? The outrage in Ferguson is over police brutality. A lot of people are simply fed up.

Also, it's not just blacks that are outraged and it's not just blacks that are victims of this systemic violence. When this:

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is what your neighborhood police department looks like, you have every reason to be angry. These aren't soldiers in a battlezone. These are police officers in American municipalities and they're better equipped than our infantry divisions were in Baghdad.

The dissent is deeper than this one case. This is why I made the comment earlier about this chaos turning into an organized vanguard against the militarization of the American police force. The riots aren't a solution, the guy in the video was right about this. It does draw attention, however. The next step is even more important - using this spotlight wisely, rather than continuing to just burn and loot.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ferguson-chants-heard-st-louis-cops-shoot-suspect/story?id=25041218

Ferguson Chants Heard After St. Louis Cop Shooting

23-year-old black man was shot and killed by St. Louis police today after he charged at them with a knife, just 10 days after police shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown in Fergusonless than 6 miles away.

The man had taken two energy drinks from a store and returned to take a package of pastries without paying, according to St. Louis City Police Chief Sam Dotson. The suspect then went into the street and was "acting erratically," and talking to himself, Dotson said. When the store employee followed him outside, the man threw the pastries into the street, the chief said.

Police responded to a 911 call, and the suspect walked toward the officers' vehicle and put his hand on his waistband, pulled out a knife and held it in an "overhand" position, above his shoulder, Dotson said.

The chief said the officers got out of their vehicle and drew their weapons, telling the man to drop the knife, but he continued to advance, reportedly saying "Shoot me, kill me now."

A crowd of about 150 gathered at the scene of the shooting in the moments after the incident, many of whom expressed anger that cops had not used other means of restraint.

"You don’t need to shoot if you’ve got a Taser and he's got a knife," one bystander said.

"You just kill, kill, kill because you got a gun," another said. "They could've tased him. He was by himself."

"They’re trying to shoot us down," a third onlooker said.

Many in the crowd began chanting "Hands up, don't shoot," and "No justice, no peace," the chants that have been a hallmark of the protests in Ferguson over the past 10 days.

Reporters asked Dotson whether the officers should have used lethal force in this situation given the tensions in the area over Brown's death.

"Our policy is at the end of the day the officer should be able to go home, so (he should use) the amount of force necessary to overcome resistance. If a person is charging you within 3-4 feet that’s a lethal range,” Dotson said.

"I think officer safety is the number one issue and we can all understand the officers' right to defend themselves. I understand what’s going on in Ferguson, but I think everyone has to understand that right and think of officer safety," Dotson said.

Dotson said the officers would be placed on administrative duty while the department investigates the shooting, as per policy.

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"if you miss with the taser you really dont get another quick shot. If he got that close they had to shoot. to bad they created another martyr to the cause of rioting and looting."
 
I agree with a lot of things you've said on this but this isn't one of them. The injured officer had about 2 seconds before Brown would've been on him again. You don't shoot to injure someone (and in your case most likely missing them if they're running at you), you shoot to stop a threat. Also people seem to have this notion that one shot will send someone flying backwards 10 feet like in the movies when the reality is a lot of times it can take multiple shots to bring someone down unless you hit a vital area. But even with that said, in the autopsy they only found 3 bullets. The reason their were more wounds were because some of them were exit wounds.

Oh, and the guy in that video hit the nail on the head.

If 2 seconds from being on him, I totally agree.

I was picturing someone being about 15 feet away and just starting to move, in an even slightly aggressive way. Not quite the cops account from all I can tell, but I was compromising.
 
If 2 seconds from being on him, I totally agree.

I was picturing someone being about 15 feet away and just starting to move, in an even slightly aggressive way. Not quite the cops account from all I can tell, but I was compromising.

Well at any rate just think about someone rushing you from a relatively short distance away. It's not going to take long for a person in halfway decent shape to get to you. I think most people don't realize how little time officers have to react in life or potential death situations. I'm not one to blindly defend the police, but in this instance I think the officer was justified in using lethal force.
 
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Dem likka bottles. lulz I thought he was an innocent little kid buying candy who was shot in cold blood. :\
 
lol. i don't think it was a compliment.

alasdair

Anyways, I didn't really take it as a compliment.

Well at any rate just think about someone rushing you from a relatively short distance away. It's not going to take long for a person in halfway decent shape to get to you. I think most people don't realize how little time officers have to react in life or potential death situations. I'm not one to blindly defend the police, but in this instance I think the officer was justified in using lethal force.

I agree, as long as Brown was rushing, or approaching aggressively Wilson, per Wilson's account, and those of possible supporting witnesses.
 
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I'm not sure if this was a justified shooting in self-defense or a murder. I'm waiting to hear more.

But I do think it's pretty screwed up that the police investigate possible misconduct by the police. There's a very clear potential conflict of interest.
 
Dem likka bottles. lulz I thought he was an innocent little kid buying candy who was shot in cold blood. :\

I'm afraid I fail to see the connection between drinking alcohol and criminality :?

Or maybe drinking "dat likka" is only a signifier of guilt when you black?
 

In case you couldn't tell I was being facetious, but that's how a lot of people and the parents always make these criminals out to be. "Tyrone was a good kid, he never done nothin' wrong." Then of course the media shows pictures of the criminal at a much younger age than what they actually were. It's like I understand that it's hard to lose your child but I'm sick of people making excuses for criminal behavior. As long as the black community continues to play the victim and never seeks to better itself or take any responsibility for the way they're raising their kids it's only going to continue, which the one guy in the video also touched on.

I'm afraid I fail to see the connection between drinking alcohol and criminality :?

Or maybe drinking "dat likka" is only a signifier of guilt when you black?

Of course drinking alcohol doesn't make you a criminal. I was merely trying to point out how different of a picture the media a lot of times paint compared to the reality, like in the Trayvon Martin case. They basically know what is going to get the most ratings.
 
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In case you couldn't tell I was being facetious, but that's how a lot of people and the parents always make these criminals out to be. "Tyrone was a good kid, he never done nothin' wrong." Then of course the media shows pictures of the criminal at a much younger age than what they actually were. It's like I understand that it's hard to lose your child but I'm sick of people making excuses for criminal behavior. As long as the black community continues to play the victim and never seeks to better itself or take any responsibility for the way they're raising their kids it's only going to continue, which the one guy in the video also touched on.



Of course drinking alcohol doesn't make you a criminal. I was merely trying to point out how different of a picture the media a lot of times paint compared to the reality, like in the Trayvon Martin case. They basically know what is going to get the most ratings.

Tis almost the opposite when a kid dies of a drug overdose (In UK, anyway). Why is it that everyone that dies from a pill is an aspiring super lawyer?

Not that I'm saying they should be portrayed as criminals, of course.
 
you pseudo intellectuals are missing the fact that the underlying reason for this entire incident is thug life. Tupac explained this problem to us decades ago but our nation never addressed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TfEr_BLW30

Saint Louis is plagued with this problem more than any other state. This is what cops are up against everyday in St Louis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62CrFOFCgZ8

scary shit, these guy will not hesitate to pull a gun out.
 
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