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The bigger problem in that neighborhood is protestors shooting protestors I have worked in in that place many times we always concealed and carried for our own safety
 
Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times

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A detail from a report showing the entry, and re-entry and exit wounds from six bullets.

DR. MICHAEL M. BADEN

"Mr. Johnson said that he hid behind a parked car and that Mr. Brown was struck by a bullet in his back as he ran away, an account that Dr. Baden’s autopsy appears to contradict."

By FRANCES ROBLES and JULIE BOSMAN

AUGUST 17, 2014

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0
 
Thanks what23 I figured the cop didnt shoot a fleeing person as that goes against all training. I bet the guy that gave the statement got a new flat screen as money motivates people to do all kinds of things. Like I said Bardo before you get all attached to this story and geared up for your candle light vigils let all the facts come out. I know you guys want this bad, but just b/c you dislike cops/have a strong passion for protesting injustice doesnt make it right to ruins this officers life.
 
What 23 said:
"Mr. Johnson said that he hid behind a parked car and that Mr. Brown was struck by a bullet in his back as he ran away, an account that Dr. Baden’s autopsy appears to contradict."
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Maybe it was a miss, and caused him to stop and turn around. Or he was hit in the forearm while running away. But damn, three shots in the head.

Droppersneck said:
I know you guys want this bad, but just b/c you dislike cops/have a strong passion for protesting injustice doesnt make it right to ruins this officers life.
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I think the militarized nature of the police response and the fact that an unarmed person was shot 6 times in broad daylight is more of the issue here among liberals. Whether it was a white cop or a black cop isn't really relevant.

I'm surprised more "small government" conservative libertarians aren't outraged by this. The government doesn't have the right to take money for taxes, but has the right to dispense grenade launchers and APCs to local police departments and execute people in the streets? It's a bit contradictory.
 
Two shots to the head, unless I read wrong. Some of those were double entry, or exit.

According to the cop's account that I got, Brown began to rush him, after walking away taunting him, after Wilson told him to freeze, after the first shot went off in his vehicle and after Brown had allegedly assaulted him. A 6 foot 4 inch 300 lb man behins to rush you, after already assaulting you once causing injury on the face, and going for your weapon...
 
Droppersneck said:
injustice doesnt make it right to ruins this officers life.
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Don't they execute murderers in Missouri?
Arguably that's not "ruining his life" - its just taking away the privilege of having a life at all.
Or whatever the pro-capital punishment 'argument' is.
 
Bardeaux said:
I think the militarized nature of the police response
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That's exactly it

I'm surprised more "small government" conservative libertarians aren't outraged by this. The government doesn't have the right to take money for taxes, but has the right to dispense grenade launchers and APCs to local police departments and execute people in the streets? It's a bit contradictory.
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Understatement. The so-called libertarians here are a complete fucking joke. The police response after the fact is EXACTLY the kind of big government overkill that people like Droppers claim they keep guns to prevent.

And to say it isn't about race is an even bigger load of cod shit. If the police responded to, say, Cliven Bundy the glibertarians would be going ape-shit right now. But, because it's happening to black communities they're all like - in the immortal words of NWA - "just another nigga dead"
 
This isn't even hardly apples to apples.

Are they supposed to just let people go crazy and destroy property and loot?

Last night someone shot someone, and that someone is in critical condition. And cops were fired on. Cops didn't fire a shot.
 
What 23 said:
Are they supposed to just let people go crazy and destroy property and loot?
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The non-violent protesters being gassed and shot at with rubber bullets, or being subjected to sound-wave crowd control devices, or have machine guns trained on them for raising there arms and chanting "hands up, don't shoot" were not "going crazy and destroying property"
 
But among them some were, unfortunately for them.

They may have a right to assemble peacefully, but not to block streets, as has happened. And not to disrupt things. I doubt they were fired upon with gas without certain provocation.
 
These are unarmed, innocent civilians, what23.

Have you know no empathy for your fellow countrymen? This apologist approach to an unarmed man being killed in the street is disturbing. Really, it is.
 
What 23 said:
Two shots to the head, unless I read wrong. Some of those were double entry, or exit.
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The "X" marks indicate exit wounds, I would assume. There appears to be an entry wound in the lower chin, through the right eye and on the top of the head.

According to the cop's account that I got, Brown began to rush him, after walking away taunting him, after Wilson told him to freeze, after the first shot went off in his vehicle and after Brown had allegedly assaulted him. A 6 foot 4 inch 300 lb man behins to rush you, after already assaulting you once causing injury on the face, and going for your weapon...
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But this entirely contradicts all eyewitness account that I've heard. There are varying reports of what happened before the shots were fired, but Brown stopping after a shot was fired, turning around and putting his hands in the air seems to be a universal testimony among the accounts.

Plus, the fact that the cop didn't immediately call in the shooting would suggest to me that the officer immediately knew that he fucked up.

Droppersneck said:
Yeah Bardo I am with you on cops all the way I am simply saying dont jump to conclusions. And saying race has nothing to do with this story is a complete lie if this would of been a crazed white man it wouldnt of even made the papers.
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I'm not saying it's not a racial issue. I'm saying it's not a racial issue on the side of the police. Had a black officer done the shooting, we would be seeing the same outrage. Although, the Ferguson PD isn't really representative of the racial demographics of Ferguson. The racial aspect of this story is that this isn't anything new. Despite the armed white guys intimidating small towns, despite the Bundy ranch situation, despite episodes like the one in the video I posted, despite rampage shootings perpetrated by white people, blacks (armed or not) are disproportionately killed by police than their white counterparts. It happens every day across the US. Once in awhile a story is going to break through and draw much attention to the issue.

Media coverage and public reaction are two steps of the social problem process in any case, this being no different. Sometimes the media over reacts, while most of the time it under-reacts regarding any given issue. The same applies to public reaction. If this sort of reaction were to happen every time something like this happened there would be major systemic conflict at every level of our society.

bit_pattern said:
Not much of a vanguard sitting behind a computer in Michigan (?), Comrade ;)
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I'm also working in the legislature though.

Not very radical, but something nonetheless. The left isn't very organized in Michigan really, which was surprising to me given that it was once the epicenter of radical labor and the birthplace of the weather undergound. I was very much involved in the ANSWER coalition and a revolutionary party in Florida.

What 23 said:
They may have a right to assemble peacefully, but not to block streets, as has happened. And not to disrupt things.
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Hence the term civil disobedience. Rather than civil obedience.
 
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Conversation recorded by bystander just moments after Michael Brown shooting casts doubt on claims the teen surrendered to Officer Darren Wilson

"Unnoticed audio recorded in video filmed at scene of Saturday's tragic shooting contradicts claims made by friends of the Missouri teen

The scratchy recording of the conversation between two men seems to suggest that Brown was inside Officer Wilson's car

Despite being difficult to make out, the conversation suggests that Brown ran towards Wilson before he was shot"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-teen-surrendered-Officer-Darren-Wilson.html
 
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What 23 said:
Despite being difficult to make out, the conversation suggests that Brown ran towards Wilson before he was shot"
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The conversation at the scene doesn't suggest this, the article does. It's based off of an interview with "A woman claiming to be a friend of the officer involved in the shooting who came by the details via Wilson's significant other", who wasn't present during the shooting. We're getting into third-hand accounts of the incident here.
 
You didn't read. I apologize, I should quote more. This is audio in a recording at the scene just after between two men, where one asks the other what happened. It corroborates Wilson's story.
 
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