The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

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Nice try. Weak post.

 

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Ditto

 

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Lawsuit seeking release of Michael Brown's juvenile records claims slain teen was a murder suspect

By RYAN GORMAN

An explosive new lawsuit filed in St. Louis seeking the release of Michael Brown's juvenile criminal record alleges the slain teen was a gang member and faced a second degree murder charge.

The citizen journalism website GotNews took St. Louis County authorities to court Wednesday to secure the release of the records because it believes they do not need to be kept private since he is no longer alive.

The unarmed Brown was fatally shot earlier this month by white Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson. He has no criminal record as an adult, but only because he had recently turned 18, claims GotNewsEditor-in-chief Charles Johnson.

The citizen journo wrote in a Wednesday afternoon post to his site and on Twitter that he was told by law enforcement sources the black teen has a juvenile arrest record that is being kept private.

Johnson also claims cops told him that Brown's juvenile arrest record contains a second-degree murder charge and there are rumors he is a member of the notorious Crips street gang.

"To find out if those police officers are correct requires seeing Brown's juvenile arrest record, which ought to be freely available given that he is dead and therefore has no right to privacy remaining," insists Johnson.

"Knowing the truth about Brown's past will help us gauge the credibility of his parents and family who have called him a 'gentle giant.'"

Attorney Johnathon Burns, who is arguing the case, told KMOX that since the teen is deceased, his records are no longer sealed.

"Missouri common law applies, and under Missouri common law, court records and virtually all other documents are open to the public," said Burns.

Saint Louis University Associate Law Professor Tricia Harrison disagreed in comments to the station, saying that "to suggest that the general public has a right to know what any juvenile does in any situation is ludicrous."

Courts normally only give up a juvenile's right to privacy to schools and counselors, she added.

Johnson cites the previous instance of William L. Halstead, a white 18-year-old who stole a packet of cigarettes.

Halstead was beaten by a security guard until his neck was broken and he was paralyzed, Johnson recalls. The teen died 19 days later.

"Halstead's juvenile arrest record was released as part of a wrongful death suit filed by his family, much to their protestation."

AOL News was not immediately able to reach St. Louis County authorities for comment on the lawsuit or its claims.

Brown was laid to rest Monday after a nationally televised funeral.

A court hearing is set for September 3.

http://m.aol.com/article/2014/08/27...ael-browns-juvenile-criminal-record/20953546/

 

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I like a challenge.

You like attention.

Its interesting how you revert to personal attacks always.

Coming from a guy who explicitly expressed his desire to murder me. Can't get much more personal than that.

"My dad"

Lol, you brought that fact that you dad raised you as a racist into the discourse, not me.

 

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He mentions the transatlantic slave trade, and he is an Arab.

Just love letting those prejudice shine, don't you 8)

I guess anyone with a Mulsim-ish sounding name must be Arab, amirite?

He's Bangladeshi, you ignorant racist.

 

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Heh. Okay, that was definitely ignorant. I admit I glanced at him, then listened. I just assumed. My bad. At any rate, people just love to bring up the white slavers, when Arabs had a much larger slave trade, including the trade of whites.

And, obviously, there is Arab influence in Bangladesh.

 

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I like attention? You post things to directly antagonize conservatives. You're guilty of the same that you accuse me of.

My dad, you know exactly what I meant... We... Everyone. Anyways, my dad rarely ever mentioned race. The one time really was somewhat in jest, that I can bring home any girl I want, just not a black girl. He was also an HR manager for a pretty large place, employing a diverse group of people, and I doubt he would be successful if he was so racist. Though maybe he just had a way of remaining impartial there. Again, my family was probably some of the least outwardly racist in my town, and race was rarely even mentioned.

 

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On what universe can the trade of 18 million people carried out over time-span of over 1,200 years be considered "larger" than the trade of 16 million people over a time-span of 350 years? By my count that makes the Atlantic trade almost four times greater than the Arab trade. But, of course, facts don't often fit neatly into you little hate-fest, do they?

 

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Arab slavers also castrated males and sold women into sexual slavery (though they were used by white men as well).

This all deserves more look than I've given it but I wouldn't be surprised if Arabs weren't of influence or having some involvement in the transatlantic slave trade.

 

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Arab slavers also castrated males and sold women into sexual slavery (though they were used by white men as well).

This all deserves more look than I've given it but I wouldn't be surprised if Arabs weren't of influence or having some involvement in the transatlantic slave trade.

Translation: "Please, let me ignore the fact that you've just disproved the main thrust of the argument I was trying to make and allow to to introduce another irrelevant point that I hope will better support my hate-agenda"

 

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Did I say there were more or less?

Arabs penetrated Africa and stole many people. They set up trades. They spread their culture by converting leaders. One might find argument that the Arab slave trade set up the easy trade to the Whites, later. They were in West Africa in the 10th century, at least.

Whites bought slaves. They didn't hunt them down and rob them.

Whites didn't castrate the males. I would have much rather have been sold to the whites.

Also, who knows just how many slaves they took? Really? The record keeping more recently I would imagine is more accurate (but maybe not?), but with the Arab slave trade it goes back much further.

 

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Did I say there were more or less?

Fuck me.

Arabs had a much larger slave trade.

Also, who knows just how many slaves they took? Really?

Fuck me sideways

Historians estimate that between 650 and 1900, 10 to 18 million people were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken from Europe, Asia and Africa across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert.

Whites bought slaves. They didn't hunt them down and rob them.

Lulwtf? So the slaves just sold themselves to the "whites", huh? It's not like they were robbed of their very lives by being kidnapped and sold or anything like that? The sort of mental contortions you go through to make your case really beggar belief. The truly amazing thing is that you are so gormless that I have no doubt that you actually believe this shit

 

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Eh. Okay. There it is.

 

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A comparison of the Islamic slave trade to the American slave trade reveals some interesting contrasts. While two out of every three slaves shipped across the Atlantic were men, the proportions were reversed in the Islamic slave trade. Two women for every man were enslaved by the Muslims.
While the mortality rate for slaves being transported across the Atlantic was as high as 10%, the percentage of slaves dying in transit in the Trans Sahara and East African slave trade was between 80 and 90%!
While almost all the slaves shipped across the Atlantic were for agricultural work, most of the slaves destined for the Muslim Middle East were for sexual exploitation as concubines, in harems, and for military service.
While many children were born to slaves in the Americas, and millions of their descendants are citizens in Brazil and the USA to this day, very few descendants of the slaves that ended up in the Middle East survive.
While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth.
It is estimated that possibly as many as 11 million Africans were transported across the Atlantic (95% of which went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions. Only 5% of the slaves went to the United States).
However, at least 28 million Africans were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. As at least 80% of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave markets, it is believed that the death toll from the 14 centuries of Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been over 112 million. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the Trans Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 million people.
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Historian Robert Davis in his book "Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters - White Slavery In the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy", estimates that North African Muslim pirates abducted and enslaved more than 1 million Europeans between 1530 and 1780. These white Christians were seized in a series of raids which depopulated coastal towns from Sicily to Cornwall. Thousands of white Christians in coastal areas were seized every year to work as galley slaves, labourers and concubines for Muslim slave masters in what is today Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and Libya. Villages and towns on the coast of Italy, Spain, Portugal and France were the hardest hit, but the Muslim slave raiders also seized people as far afield as Britain, Ireland and Iceland. They even captured 130 American seamen from ships they boarded in the Atlantic between 1785 and 1793.
According to one report, 7000 English people were abducted between 1622 to 1644, many of them ship crews and passengers. But the Corsairs also landed on unguarded beaches, often at night, to snatch the unwary. Almost all the inhabitants of the village of Baltimore, in Ireland, were captured in 1631, and there were other raids in Devon and Cornwall. Many of these white, Christian slaves were put to work in quarries, building sites and galleys and endured malnutrition, disease and mistreatment at the hands of their Muslim slave masters. Many of them were used for public works such as building harbours.
Female captives were sexually abused in palace harems and others were held as hostages and bargained for ransom. "The most unlucky ended up stuck and forgotten out in the desert, in some sleepy town such as Suez, or in Turkish Sultanate galleys, where some slaves rowed for decades without ever setting foot on shore." Professor Davis estimates that up to 1,25 million Europeans were enslaved by Muslim slave raiders between 1500 to 1800.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Slavery

 

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And I just love how we're now jumping through these hoops about the Arab slave trade when the whole premise of the argument was your deeply prejudiced assumption that the person making a very valid point about the nature of racism is an Arab when he is actually a Bangladeshi. Just amazing.

 

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http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Slavery

Fucking cool source, bro! 8)

 

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Eh. Okay. There it is.

Yes. There's you being hanged on the petard of your own words. But, hey, don't let reality get in the way of your confected view of history! That might make you actually start to critically assess the assumptions on which your prejudices rest.

 

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Just days ago you were trying to say that Arabs are "white" - now your saying that "whites" are somehow absolved of responsibility for the Atlantic trade because the now non-"white" Arabs also had a slave trade.

This is why you believe the shit you do. Because you lack the intellectual capacity to maintain a consistent worldview. You're an odious little racist who chops and changes facts to suit whateverr bullshit hateful racist argument you hapen to be making at the time.

 

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I think your numbers are off.

Bangladesh was obviously influenced by Arab culture, anyhow. I know I was wrong on what he was, and admitted that. But still, everyone associates whites with slavers. Nobody seems to know about the Islamic slave trades.

Cool source? Where is yours?
This source is open edit. So if its wrong, and you really feel confident that it is, edit it.

 

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But still, everyone associates whites with slavers. Nobody seems to know about the Islamic slave trades.

Yet when you're being pwned on the genetic basis of race you blithely declare that Arabs are "white" - whatever works in the moment, eh? 8)