The Experience of Childbirth

[skinwalker]

Hello everyone,
I am very excited for the birth of my daughter which is coming up any day now, words cannot explain!!
I have been using psyches to help with the ease of life's transitions, in my case to help prepare myself mentally for the life changing event approaching me - the birth of my daughter.
I have had a rough 28 years to get where I am now, hence, my reason for using the beautiful tools of psychedelics to help me prepare myself; especially with becoming at ease with my past tribulations.
I know that nothing in this world can prepare me for the day she is born since I feel birth is the most profound psychedelic experience one goes through next to death.
I want to hear others who are experienced with psyches and how they used them to better understand/help facilitate the experience of childbirth. And I'm not talking about others experiences of observing the delivery under the influence of psyches ; I definitely want to be sober for the experience. More undy the premise of how has psyches helped you integrate the childbirth experience to is fullest potential ??

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

Congratulations, skinwalker. Are you the mother or the father?

I'm working on an Ob-Gyn floor at a hospital right now. It's easy for me to forget that what for me is just another on-the-job case, is for each of these women a major event in their lives!

Please keep us all posted as this event progresses, and let us know after it's all done how it's transformed you.

 

[skinwalker]

^^Thank you very much mydoorsareopen!!
I'm the father. I will definitely keep you all updated on my experience!
If you are lucky enough to be in the delivery room (just as part of the staff) is the energy ever the same such as through all the turmoil of the actual labor and then to be followed by a calm feeling of true unconditional love?? Are there any that truly touched you??

 

[littleSWEETheart]

congratulations!!! i have my own 2 little boys: one was a csection and the other was a regular delivery...a csection is scary though so hopefully its a normal delivery and i wish all 3 of you the best! its always good to hear about a dad being there for his kid and the mom. congrats again!

 

[vegan]

i once talked to a girl about universal consciousness and she said she had experienced it when giving birth

 

[skinwalker]

congratulations!!! i have my own 2 little boys: one was a csection and the other was a regular delivery...a csection is scary though so hopefully its a normal delivery and i wish all 3 of you the best! its always good to hear about a dad being there for his kid and the mom. congrats again!

Thank you very much!! Yeah my wife and I are dreading a c section, I know everything will go smoothly though. I am very nervous, this weekend may be it.
It seems like a lot of bs all piles up at once during your most stressful times of your life.....but i gotta say its all worth it in the end

Vegan - even though I am not the one actually giving birth I have been trying to prepare ourselves for this truly life changing moment. I hope/pray that my wife will experience as such that as of your friends. My wife and I will probably never have a psychedelic experience together as profound as the birth of our daughter!
Thank you for your replies!! As predicted I thought my thread wouldn't get much response due to the fascination of near death experiences as opposed to birth experiences.....that's alright im guilty of this as well

 

[slimvictor]

I took high doses of mushrooms every week for 2-3 months before the birth of my first child, in order to prepare myself for the experience - to clean myself out, psychologically and spiritually.
My wife, needless to say, did not take anything.

But the labor and delivery were more mind-blowing than any experience I had on mushrooms.
My wife was tripping harder from the natural experience than I could have imagined.
The birth was a completely life-changing event.
I had always respected women before that, but after seeing than, I learned that the only proper attitude (for me) is to bow down in continuous reverence to the power of the woman, the creator, the birther.


However, we had been entirely focused on the birthing, and had essentially forgotten about the part after - the next 18 years, so to speak (me more than my wife).
The birth was amazing, but then we had a child! I was so in awe that I didn't remember how to breathe, or live as a human, for several days. Totally blown away.
My son changed my perspective on life and taught me an incredible amount, all in the first week of his life.
He showed me what it means to be a human being.
I have never "recovered".

 

[skinwalker]

Wow slimvictor, that is all I can really say!! If I don't get another response, yours was all the worthwhile for creating the thread. Thank you!
Them mushrooms have really helped cleanse oneself of the psyche as well. A little dmt has really helped kick start that process for me.
I can definitely relate to your view on the love and respect for our beautiful life bearing women and the gift in which they possess.
The love I have for my wife and soon to arrive daughter is already more than what words can describe. The whole process is sure to be the best thing I will have experienced and I truly feel blessed to be given this opportunity!
Again, thank you all and I will definitely keep you posted.

 

[slimvictor]

Good luck, skinwalker!
I think you will enjoy parenthood - the greatest adventure of all!

 

[Khadijah]

I cant say I had experience with psychedelics during that time, since I was the one carrying the child...but you dont need them to get in tune with it, the experience changes you completely whether you think it will or not.

I was lucky enough to experience a natural birth, with no anasthesia, epidural, IV, or drugs of any kind. My babys father and my mother both helped me deliver, they held me up , supported my back and legs so that I could use gravity and deliver in a natural position as nature intended instead of layin down on my back, and the experience was truly the most amazing thing i ever felt. the pain is somethin that i cant even comprehend now that its over--but there aint nothing to compare to it, nothin on this earth. Towards the end i truly felt like i was dying. I thought for sure, that i must be dying, cuz the pain was just gonna kill me i couldnt bear it no more.

the moments of pushing him out, of feelin my whole body turning inside out, the violent struggle of bringin life into the world, was like time stopped for a second, just this endless push to bring my son to life and then suddenly he was out and it was like a million shooting stars exploding from my heart. Ive experienced so many drugs, and had some incredible experiences with all of them , psychedelics and a long affair with heroin adn i can tell you that no drug on this earth or beyond coudl ever come close to givin the high that the feeling of birth gave me, that moment when the pain stopped and there was just this beautiful angel in front of me wiggling and crying and covered with blood.....truly the most incredible shit i ever witnessed.

That night, i felt somethin i had never felt before....it was like the opening of this hole inside of me, like i had cracked open and was shining with light, all the way at the base of my spine, it just felt like energy and light was radiating thru me, I cant explain it. just this new wave of energy that had never been there before, my whole body felt open, like there was just this core of bliss where my spine would be . its too hard to put it into words. But its a psychedelic experience in itself.

if you been with a woman who was 'trippin' on the birth and she was medicated, imagine how much more wild it gets in a natural birth with no chemicals dulling your experience.

more than anything i ever felt id say givin birth was a communication with the divine...and i truly feel sad for men that they can never experience it....

 

[skinwalker]

The Psychedelic Experience of Childbirth

Khadijah thank you for your reply!
It is truly the most beautiful experience I personally have been through, as the father words cannot describe I couldn't even imagine as the one actually giving birth. I don't deny for a second that I wouldn't be able to do it and because of that I am and will continue to be grateful to my beautiful wife, mother, sister, and all women for the gift that they share with us. I grew up with all women in my life, my mom and sister - my pops was not much in my life, what memories I do have of him are not the best. I wanted a son initially but to be blessed with a daughter is proof that I am destined to be shown to appreciate and respect the women I have not always respected to the fullest growing up, now I know!
My beautiful daughter was born this past wednesday 4/27/2011 and let me tell you I am both mentally and physically drained from all this, but this is just the beginning. This so far has been the toughest and at the same time most rewarding responsibility I have experienced!
During the labor my wife was fully into her breathing to help manage her pain, unfortunately, she had to be induced so she was having a hard time through the whole labor. I felt utterly helpless the only thing I felt I could do was talk her through and massage her back through each contraction. Each minute seemed like forever, time was going way too slow, if only I could take over her pain for at least a moment.....then her water broke and her pain was so bad she was shaking and sweating with each contraction. When the delivery started time suddenly went fast forward and everything happened so fast.....when she was born it felt like time slowed down to a standstill this time, as if time stood still to behold my beautiful daughter entering this world. This was truly the hardest ego shattering experience I have endured, and for both of us to experience this together again words do no justice-neither of us cared about anything else but to get our baby girl out okay into our arms. None of my drug experiences combined cannot compare whatsoever!!!
I have had a rough time getting to where I am today so to be given this opportunity is truly a miracle. I know the energy you speak of Khadijah and there is no way to explain other than to actually experience it. It is definitely an energy that radiates throughout that everyone can feel, kinda like tapping into this infinite reservoir of love that you want to share with everyone/everything. By no means am I trying to compare my experience with yours with as much pain as you had to endure to get to that level; the next and most profound experience will be death itself!!
Again thank you all for sharing your experiences and for all your kind words
*The correct title of this thread should be "The Psychedelic Experience of Childbirth"

 

[skinwalker]

I just wanted to give an update on how this whole experience of becoming a father has been and oh man it sure has been a ride. Each day to me is a blessing to see my daughter growing and developing. Its already going to be eight months in a little over a week. Words cannot explain the way I feel about my daughter...the word "Love" is an understatement and does no justice for the way I feel about her. Just like any parent thinks my daughter is the most beautiful thing I have ever set eyes on and I never get tired of talking about her to co-workers, friends, and family.
Just like anything, everything comes with a price. My beautiful wife and I are having a rough time adjusting to these new changes and our relationship is suffering because of it. We have since started going to marriage counseling to help with the transition because mainly it comes down to my wife experiencing post pardum depression. We both have had a rough life leading up to the birth of daughter and it is making it a little hard to fully appreciate and experience our little beauty. All I can really do is to be here and support her through this transition without adding any undue stress to our lives. Having a baby really puts a relationship to the test as all our faults, fears, and insecurities are brought out. My wife and I are alot alike in ways yet completely different (if that makes sense) and it comes down to compromise...we each have to compromise for each other while at the same time being conscious of ourselves for the sake of our daughter; either way we are making it through and things are getting easier. Parenthood definitely is the hardest thing I have experienced but has been the most rewarding. Nothing else matters when you see your baby so happy, healhty, and smart...we truly are blessed for our little angel in our life!

 

[Portillo]

Enjoy the miracle of creation.

 

[rangrz]

autonomic nervous actions leading to smooth muscle contractions+ severe noxious stimuli=profound, wonderful experience.

I understand completely... perhaps I need to rethink irreversible acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, so I too can have a neurotransmitter induced spasms and agony to achieve this pinnacle of beautiful experiences?!?

nyah.

 

[ninjadanslarbretabar]

^reality is a chemical reaction happening inside your brain
this is a druggy board where some have profound wonderful experience while tripping
those drugs works because they are very similar or exactly the same as what your brain works with
if your brain produce the right drugs to give you a wonderful experience while assisting child birth or giving birth i dont see whats wrong with it or why you would somehow seem to try to downplay it with a "nyah"
if you are here because your parents had sex and if everything around you that is alive is there due to reproduction then its cause the chemical that your body produce in relation to giving birth or assisting it might indeed be some of the best trips you can get as a mortal
if we would suck at reproduction we wouldnt be here as a species, we need drugs to get motivated to get laid and we also produce drugs that will make us see that new life as the best thing ever, and that new life is the most precious thing in the world and you feel like you would give your life for it because biologically thats what you are there for, its survival of the species, your body wants you to be trippin real high and good so that youll be acting accordingly to your genes agenda
and thats great, and thats life
and i think its a beautiful thing to see some trippers talking about their experience with birth, it shows a lot more heart then the usual unidimensional format that most thinker usually isolate themself into

it aint about how much you take, it aint about the quantity, post a certain point you have enough, then its a mater of quality and thats all about set and setting, and in this case the set and setting is giving birth and your brain produce as much chemical as needed
but you dont need much because its all real, and it still will be real the day after and the day after...
so i dont see how it could be anything but a "pinnacle of beautiful experiences" unless things go wrong

 

[L2R]

skinwalker, my son arrived just two days before your daughter. oh how the game has changed. :D

 

[rangrz]

I am familiar with the general concepts of molecular biology and that thought processes are chemically driven, like everything else that occurs in your body. Without going into the territory of what defines consciousness and all that, my argument for 'nyah' is that the idea of smooth muscle spasms and blinding pain sounds very un-pleasant. Much as nerve agent toxicity(which was my comparison) induces these and looks horrific, I fail to see how the actual experience of the birthing act would lend it self to be in anyway enjoyable.

How are profound and enlighting is vomiting? Its also somewhat comparable in its basic concept. (powerful and painful contraction of smooth muscles to produce some kind of ejecta of abdominal contents, induced by the brain in reaction to some stimulus, and which serves a useful role in survival)

if you are here because your parents had sex and if everything around you that is alive is there due to reproduction

Not everything that is alive required sex. Bacteria and Archea do not require sex. Not all things that require sex require birthing.(plants are good example) Things which reproduce and have selective pressure are not necessarily alive. (Viri, prions, plasmids)

but you dont need much because its all real, and it still will be real the day after and the day after...

Yes and no? The fact it that the subjective experience was driven by various chemicals, which is driven by the interaction of non-fully ionized atoms via the electromagnetic force, would indicate it is objectively the same as an experience driven by exogenous chemicals. The experience of either is over once it is over. But either of them was 'real' at the time they occurred.

On the other hand, a delusion/hallucination is a delusion/hallucination. Be it from schizophrenia, from a traumatic brain injury, from an exogenous neuro-receptor ligand, or from a transient change in homeodynamics. (Is birth any more real than the hallucinations and behavioural changes one can experience during a severe infection?)

I believe any sort of special significance attached to birth is merely a result of the informal bias/fallacy of 'magical thinking'.

 

[panic in paradise]

^
Rangrz, bacteria and everything uses/depends on sex to reproduce and ultimately survive.

If sex is thought of pleasurable exchange of shared physical contact,
then by these two contexts, sex rules..!
(seriously)
A great reason to exist, and, the only way to exist.







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Aleph is Bet / as a 2 is a 3 & a 3 a means to all
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[rangrz]

^
Rangrz, bacteria and everything uses/depends on sex to reproduce and ultimately survive.

No, Bacteria and Archea reproduce EXCLUSIVELY asexually. That is, the progeny of a bacterium or archean (and some other life forms too, but not as exclusively) have only the genes carried by one parent and no second parent is involved. They do not engage in sexual reproduction by using half of each parents genome, carried by a specialized gamete cell, to form a recombinant DNA molecule that is different from either of the parents. Books (or google and wiki) you should check them out.

 

[panic in paradise]

Yes, but there is a merging of two cells with in the single A-sexual cell
- hence an act of sex. Bacterial Conjugation, is the act where single cell bacteria
interact in order to mingle and share/exchange DNA.


Even flowers make them selves attractive, for sex. I do read, and not reading more about
what you have been taught, is denying yourself a chance to grow as an individual,
cellular individual.


Its love, it makes the world go round.