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RCs The Ethylphenidate (Ethyl phenyl(piperidin-2-yl)acetate) Megathread V2

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DubNaut said:
still really curious if the "toothache" symptom relates directly to nasal route and corrosive nature
a subconscious reason i pushed with this chemical was..
i had orbital eye surgery which had to involve the left sinus and nasal
wasn't a recent surgery but interested in potential and damage, not specifically for my own case
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If it's an acute tooth pain (occurring immediately after insufflation) then I think it's due to the way the nerve supply in your face is stuctured. The maxillary nerve covers sensation for most of the nasal cavity, but it also covers the upper teeth, the cheek overlying the maxillary sinus, the paranasal sinuses themselves and the lower eyelid. I often get referred pain, which is pain felt somewhere other than the site of the stimulus, so my teeth hurt if I insufflate something painful (inc the 2C-x drugs.) The pain can linger for several hours sometimes as a dull ache in my upper teeth, long after my nose has stopped hurting.. and it can be a lot more painful than my nose is! My eye also streams with tears (out of proportion to the pain) and the maxillary nerve makes up part of the nerve supply to your tear ducts.

My teeth also hurt if I get chronic sinusitis, so if you have longer-term tooth pain which you suspect may be caused by ethyphenidate usage I would speculate that you could have an inflammed nasal mucous membrane in the deep part of the nasal cavity, which is causing referred pain.. or a non-infective sinusitis (irritatation and inflammation of the epithelial lining of your sinuses - usually immune-mediated and due to infection or pollen allergy but could potentially be chemical in nature as once inflammation takes hold it can be self-perpetuating). This to me seems far more likely than actual erosion of tissue, and I think if that had happened (would involve erosion not just into your palate, which would cause a hole in the roof of your mouth open to the nasal cavity, but also into the maxillary bone itself and through to the teeth..) you would be experiencing more than just some toothache. An eroded septum could realistically cause referred tooth pain as the main symptom though, so certainly worth ruling that out.

Of course, get your teeth checked if you have toothache post-insufflation, but if that fails and the pain is severe/persistent it could be worth getting an Ear, Nose and Throat doc to have a proper look at your nasal caity and sinuses (they can do this with an endoscope - flexible tube with a camera on the end). You don't want to end up like Daniella Westbrook! (Although cocaine mostly caused gangrenous damage through local vasoconstriction, ethylphenidate seems actually corrosive/irritant seeing as people have noticed bleeding.. with added vasoconstriction to impair healing :\ )

All in all, sounds like insufflated eph is something to avoid. If you do insufflate it, take the excellent advice of others on here and use a solution, squirting water up afterwards to wash any residue away, and get any persistent pain checked out! Even the temporary referred maxillary tooth pain was too much for me to try again snorting the stuff... plugging was the way forward, before I gave up on it altogether.
 
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Yes, unless the dose is really really small like a matchstick dimension(length and width and height), do not insufflate. There are much better ways.

For the sake of harm reduction, I would not suggest doing this AT ALL,
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but a FRIEND eyeballed a good size dose, dissolved it in water which it did beautifully, nothing let over, and Intravenously administered it.

He said that there was a great "cocaine like" rush .. like you get the taste in the back of your throat, you get a little metallic like sound distortion (might've been placebo), and you get a euphoria that is pretty strong right after it is injected, but lasts at least (mind you not nearly as strong) 30 minutes . Not to mention the alertness.

He might have been really anxious, and have more shitty effects, but he took a decent amount of bzds before and during.
 
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So, using the "search this thread" function, and querying "l-arginine" I came up with no matches.

I just wanted to know if l-arginine is effective as canceling out some of the vasoconstrictive effects of ethylphenidate.

Kind of feeling a bit on the constricted side of things right now. Not dangerously, but uncomfortably.

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This is going in as an edit so I don't double post...

I took 7 grams of l-arginine right after I posted the original stuff above. It wasn't doing the trick. I was drinking a lot of water, and taking a lot of magnesium, since it is supposedly anxiolytic. Drank a liter of water. I still noticed cyanosis in my feet and hands, so I of course, being the experienced "psychonaut" that I am, I'm able to "tell myself" everything's cool while working to make sure everything is going to be cool...

It was getting worse. I had drawn a bath of warm water, but it just seemed to hot at the time. I had 69mg of 6-APB left. 6-APB has actually been a real relaxant for me, especially since I'm experienced and know what to expect, and since it was going to be such a small dosage, I put the powder in a capsule and swallowed it.

It was the probably the mellowest and yet biggest bang for the buck 6-APB experience I'd ever had. Totally had a steady slow heartrate going most of the entire time, color returned to my skin. If I thought about sex, I'd get a boner easily.

Long story short: a small dose of 6-APB fixed me right up when I was dealing with the anxiety-inducing and vasoconstricting effects of redosing twice on ethylphenidate.

It's been about five hours since then, and I'm feeling normal enough (although my dilated pupils are dead give-aways) to run to the gas station to pick up a six-pack of high-proof beer to chill out for the rest of the night.

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By the way, this is not a live trip report or anything. (It almost was... haha, eh Transform?) I just wanted to share the steps I took to remedy a difficult situation.
 
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I was never keen on the EPH combo with Etizolam, but with Pyrazolam it's brilliant. It has all the positives of the EPH with none of the negative. I found Etizolam completely dulled the effects of the negatives, but also dulled the effects of the positives by 75%.

Pyrazolam is much better with EPH IMO because it is much less sedating. Even small doses of Etizolam makes me feel tired with EPH.
 
Just got my first batch of Ethylphenidate. I take 200mg of Ibuprofen a few times a day, so should I lay off that when I want to do some ethylphenidate?
 
effie said:
If it's an acute tooth pain (occurring immediately after insufflation) then I think it's due to the way the nerve supply in your face is stuctured. The maxillary nerve covers sensation for most of the nasal cavity, but it also covers the upper teeth, the cheek overlying the maxillary sinus, the paranasal sinuses themselves and the lower eyelid. I often get referred pain, which is pain felt somewhere other than the site of the stimulus, so my teeth hurt if I insufflate something painful (inc the 2C-x drugs.) The pain can linger for several hours sometimes as a dull ache in my upper teeth, long after my nose has stopped hurting.. and it can be a lot more painful than my nose is! My eye also streams with tears (out of proportion to the pain) and the maxillary nerve makes up part of the nerve supply to your tear ducts.

My teeth also hurt if I get chronic sinusitis, so if you have longer-term tooth pain which you suspect may be caused by ethyphenidate usage I would speculate that you could have an inflammed nasal mucous membrane in the deep part of the nasal cavity, which is causing referred pain.. or a non-infective sinusitis (irritatation and inflammation of the epithelial lining of your sinuses - usually immune-mediated and due to infection or pollen allergy but could potentially be chemical in nature as once inflammation takes hold it can be self-perpetuating). This to me seems far more likely than actual erosion of tissue, and I think if that had happened (would involve erosion not just into your palate, which would cause a hole in the roof of your mouth open to the nasal cavity, but also into the maxillary bone itself and through to the teeth..) you would be experiencing more than just some toothache. An eroded septum could realistically cause referred tooth pain as the main symptom though, so certainly worth ruling that out.

Of course, get your teeth checked if you have toothache post-insufflation, but if that fails and the pain is severe/persistent it could be worth getting an Ear, Nose and Throat doc to have a proper look at your nasal caity and sinuses (they can do this with an endoscope - flexible tube with a camera on the end). You don't want to end up like Daniella Westbrook! (Although cocaine mostly caused gangrenous damage through local vasoconstriction, ethylphenidate seems actually corrosive/irritant seeing as people have noticed bleeding.. with added vasoconstriction to impair healing :\ )

All in all, sounds like insufflated eph is something to avoid. If you do insufflate it, take the excellent advice of others on here and use a solution, squirting water up afterwards to wash any residue away, and get any persistent pain checked out! Even the temporary referred maxillary tooth pain was too much for me to try again snorting the stuff... plugging was the way forward, before I gave up on it altogether.
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cheers for this still waiting on a hospital appointment at the minute to get it all checked out
 
I did an allergy test and few hours after that I insufflated around 20mg. Pleasant effects. I'm not planning to keep sniffing it, though, I just want to test different ROAs. Hours later I drank ½ glass of orange juice with 30mg~ in it but it didn't do much compared to the insufflated dose.

I wanted to ask what dosages you guys find work best for you, insufflated, oral, whatever? If oral, what ratio? I've read the whole thread but I don't remember much discussion about specific dosages. I know each person is different etc, but I'm just interested in what works for you!
 
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me i normally do around 60mg to 100mg up the nose , done 250mg down the neck plugged it but found no real effects but i have been using stims for 20 years so i am not a good reference point in that sense because i go through up to and over 5g at a time
 
foolsgold said:
me i normally do around 60mg to 100mg up the nose , done 250mg down the neck plugged it but found no real effects but i have been using stims for 20 years so i am not a good reference point in that sense because i go through up to and over 5g at a time
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Let me understand correctly: did you not notice any real effects when you tried it oral, or was that with plugging?
 
t0aster said:
I did an allergy test and few hours after that I insufflated around 20mg. Pleasant effects. I'm not planning to keep sniffing it, though, I just want to test different ROAs. Hours later I drank ½ glass of orange juice with 30mg~ in it but it didn't do much compared to the insufflated dose.

I wanted to ask what dosages you guys find work best for you, insufflated, oral, whatever? If oral, what ratio? I've read the whole thread but I don't remember much discussion about specific dosages. I know each person is different etc, but I'm just interested in what works for you!
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Insufflating I prefer the nebuliser method - you dissolve it in water, put it in a nebuliser and squirt smaller doses over time + if you don't do high concentrations it doesn't hurt.
Oral anything from 20mg to 100mg, depending on what I want to achieve (lower doses are good for studying, getting other shit done and a small mood lift, higher for fun (but don't over use the high ones because you'll lose the magic))
 
crazycatman said:
Insufflating I prefer the nebuliser method - you dissolve it in water, put it in a nebuliser and squirt smaller doses over time + if you don't do high concentrations it doesn't hurt.
Oral anything from 20mg to 100mg, depending on what I want to achieve (lower doses are good for studying, getting other shit done and a small mood lift, higher for fun (but don't over use the high ones because you'll lose the magic))
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a nebuliser? do you mean like a normal nasal spray bottle? I google'd it, but that doesn't seem like the thing you mean? sorry, english isn't my first language, I am danish.
 
t0aster said:
a nebuliser? do you mean like a normal nasal spray bottle? I google'd it, but that doesn't seem like the thing you mean? sorry, english isn't my first language, I am danish.
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Yes, there was quite a discussion about it in this thread a few pages ago. Basically you buy (or take if you have it lying at home) a nasal spray bottle, clean it, dissolve EPH in water and spray that in your nose instead of sniffing it. You can do it in public without drawing attention to yourself + depending on the concentration of the EPH the pain can be much reduced. If you're making a day or so's worth you probably don't need to keep it in the fridge (I never do) otherwise I would to prevent all sorts of nasty shit growing in it.
 
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some nasal bottles are those ones with just a tiny pin hole and a whole plastic bottle with no lid so make sure you get one that can be emptied cleaned and filled, but yeah its a pretty good idea and healthier for your nose.
 
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