TDS The elephant of sobriety - Could it be a pun?

[dilated_pupils]

How many of you have been sober, trying to stay sober, not trying to stay sober, whatever it may be, have taken a valuable life lesson that you still hold dear to your point of view(s) in life that came from an experience while tripping/getting high? I know that I have had many and in fact I still hold on to dear reality from what I'm told it is by the corporate world.

For myself it started with noticing how much of an impact labeling had. For example do I really want that soda, or do I want the 'brand' and the sexy women in the ad I saw on tv? Well damn I admit I want the sexy lady, and damn I love a cold beverage, but really I love sugar just as much as everyone else. I started breaking these things down and have been rebuilding my sense of labeling towards life ever since (it didn't start with a soda fyi but it's definitely a great example of everyday life).

I've taken many spiritual things along with this now because it's opened up a world to myself that I can create, manipulate and maintain. And best of all? It effects me only, unless someone else starts seeing my views. It's very neat to have accepted certain aspects of things in my surroundings and then to have someone talking about such things using labels I've personally created for myself and not ever shared, it's overjoying and not in an egotistical sense but in a sense of acceptance that we're all trying to do the same thing and break away from the world of lies.

Please share your stories! I'd love to hear!

-dp

 

[Mysterie]

I've had similar types of revelations on high dose mushrooms and mxe, but often ill just be thinking about them the next day and not really be able to start applying them into life, and just forget about them eventually.

In my opinion the further you explore the deep subconscious the more true wisdom which will come the the surface, and this is aided by the taking of psychedelics and the such.

However I've personally had more lasting changes in the way I see the world and how society functions from exploring my mind through meditation, such as just a simple thing of walking through a supermarket and you can completely deconstruct the things our society place value upon etc and for me it makes me a bit sad.

 

[dilated_pupils]

I know what you mean about the supermarket. Every time I take mdpv or something similar all of those value systems, and those I've built up over my life for others dwindles away and I am left with a unknown yet fascinating world that I still see alive. It can be very sad but at the same time it's rejuvenating.

-dp

 

[RobotRipping]

there's nothing wrong with integrating things you learned while on drugs into a sober life. For a lot of people, they spend years and years abusing drugs and one day, are just done with it. It's not that they hate that life, it's just that they got what they sought from it and can now move on. I think i'll eventually hit that point and all of the things i've deconstructed, figured out, realized and come to terms with will stay with me. though i may need a reminder every now and then when i get older.

a good example John Scofield, amazing guitarist, huge psych head but doesn't use them anymore, still he makes the most fucking psychedelic music on guitar possible. Listen to his song acid head and tell me he never used acid lol, yet he still composed that song while not on any drug (supposedly anyway and i believe him).

 

[dilated_pupils]

there's nothing wrong with integrating things you learned while on drugs into a sober life. For a lot of people, they spend years and years abusing drugs and one day, are just done with it. It's not that they hate that life, it's just that they got what they sought from it and can now move on. I think i'll eventually hit that point and all of the things i've deconstructed, figured out, realized and come to terms with will stay with me. though i may need a reminder every now and then when i get older.

a good example John Scofield, amazing guitarist, huge psych head but doesn't use them anymore, still he makes the most fucking psychedelic music on guitar possible. Listen to his song acid head and tell me he never used acid lol, yet he still composed that song while not on any drug (supposedly anyway and i believe him).

I'm currently listening to it now. It's very neat, I'm going to have to put some more thought into it first before I can make a final judgement on it but it's definitely relaxing. Spaces me out a bit too.

If this guy was sober when he wrote this and used drugs prior, good for him for finding something in his drug use to put back into the world.

-dp

 

[herbavore]

I have always felt that I would not be the person I am today without the huge shifts in my perceptions from using psychedelic drugs early on in my life. I have not felt the need to alter my mind with substances for years now, though I do enjoy it from time to time; but the understandings I gained from both my positive drug experiences (psychedelics) and those that had a much more negative impact on my life (everything else LOL) I still am grateful for. They each gave me their own kind of wisdom. No one actually needs to consume a substance to learn anything but there is no sense denying that it happens. I used to tell everyone half-jokingly that I speak fluent "Tree" because of my psychedelic use as a teen, but in reality, I think I learned it as a very young child, forgot it and simply remembered it with help from a cactus.

 

[dilated_pupils]

I think I learned it as a very young child, forgot it and simply remembered it with help from a cactus.

There's no problem with that, and I think I'm on the same page with you. I think we are clouded as we grow with stigma's and culture conditioning that is filled with bad influence and sometimes it's nice to purge yourself of these things and just ' ' be ' '

It's what we bring back to the ever growing problematic world that counts, and I've definitely seen a brighter future on and off drugs.

-dp