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mydrugbuddy
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Its not quite excruciating fortunately but is quite bad enough. I've just thought that Pregabalin might very well work, but it would probably take around the same time for that to start working as it would for the pain to subside of its own accord anyway.
CbRoXiDe
Bluelighter
Fair enough I guess, if it stops you using, it stops you using
, just I personally made a fuss of specifically wanting subutex, and they gave me that 
. Should always have a say in your own treatment for addiction I say.
34!? I had you down as a trouble yoof. lol [sorry, might have been your avatar]
As for your complaints, I do wonder what your diet is like? Think you'll find you'll have far more energy if you eat well, will help the bloatedness and constipation also
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Shambles
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It's worth bearing in mind that being on daily opiates does tend to have some physical effects - particularly in the morning when your body is wanting it's pick me up. I wake up in a fair amount of pain (some of it genuine back pain exacerbated (or at least brought more to the forefront) by lower levels of analgesic in my system, some of it no doubt phantom and a direct effect of mild opioid w/d - particularly in my knees and joints in general) and an overall feeling of tiredness, lethargy and... not exactly depression but along those lines. A kind of empty feeling. All this is remedied by having my lil snifter of bupe as soon as it kicks in. I suspect the majority of these symptoms only exist (or at the very least are only so noticeable and constant) because I take bupe daily. Albeit at very low dose at the moment.
It's always a bit tricky when there is an underlying chronic pain issue concurrent with a history of opi abuse. It can be hard to tell which symptoms are "real" and which are self-inflicted or psychosomatic. It sounds to me from what you said that much of the way you've been feeling would be improved by cutting back - eventually cutting out - the Subbiez. The longer you stay on them the more physically reliant upon them your body will become and the harder it gets to quit. This can be compounded by becoming mentally reliant on them to - if you get both then you are addicted to Subuxone and no longer using it for the "right" reasons and that can be a real problem cos you would've cut off the best way of quitting opies and would have to turn to much harder options.
CbRoXiDe
Bluelighter
So true, i'm so mentally reliant on my subbies. I don't use them to get high in anyway, and don't really feel any 'high' effect at all, but purely the act of taking them puts my mind at ease, and takes away all my anxiety and aches and pains. Because in my head i'm still using something, albeit not getting high. Don't know how much is mental and how much is actually the properties of the drug though..
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
You'll find out in the weeks and months after quitting along with the rest of us I presume, Cbrox. I think it must be largely mental with me despite the actual symptoms being predominantly physical. I think this because I can - and do - get past the initial physically rough part of w/d but cave when it's at the niggling physical, more apparent mental stage. It's almost like realising I'm very close to being completely off them to a point I might not have an easy excuse to use - what if I'm not in as much pain as I have been? not enough to justify strong opioids? what if I am? what options do I have and are they genuine or is it essentially drugseeking? what is it I want from opioids on the mental side of things? what are my actual reasons for opioid use? are they reasonable reasons or post hoc justifications?
I wonder about this stuff quite a lot. Especially now I'm at a stage where I don't feel especially tied or addicted to any opi but still have a toe dipped in. I know I probably could just not take my dose of a morn and probably not feel especially bad. I know if I'm even quite a lot of hours late it's essentially aches and pains that at one point I'll have to live with at least for long enough to know for sure what is actual, legit pain - and at what level it really is - and what is self-inflicted w/d pain and/or psychosomatic induced pain to help bolster my internal case for needing analgesia for pain relief pure and simple. I do know - as do all on longterm opioids - that you feel a lot more pain than you normally would when you're getting around the time you're needing a dose. It's a lot more apparent than if you weren't taking anything for pain so can have you convinced you're in far worse shape than you actually are underneath it all.
I wonder about this stuff quite a lot. Especially now I'm at a stage where I don't feel especially tied or addicted to any opi but still have a toe dipped in. I know I probably could just not take my dose of a morn and probably not feel especially bad. I know if I'm even quite a lot of hours late it's essentially aches and pains that at one point I'll have to live with at least for long enough to know for sure what is actual, legit pain - and at what level it really is - and what is self-inflicted w/d pain and/or psychosomatic induced pain to help bolster my internal case for needing analgesia for pain relief pure and simple. I do know - as do all on longterm opioids - that you feel a lot more pain than you normally would when you're getting around the time you're needing a dose. It's a lot more apparent than if you weren't taking anything for pain so can have you convinced you're in far worse shape than you actually are underneath it all.
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
I read something somehwere about people taking opis for pain relief were less likely to become addicted to them. Can't properly remember the reasons why, but it sounds kind of counterintuitive. All these sweeping generalisations probably are just that anyway. It seems obvious that it must be twice the battle if you've got physical pains to deal with on top of everything else, but perhaps some pain patients dont get into an addict mind set, or something like that i think the reasoning went, and just see their meds as pain relief and nothing else. 
You seem to be asking yourself all the right questions Mr S. I hope you come to find some answers that help you get to where you want to be.
You seem to be asking yourself all the right questions Mr S. I hope you come to find some answers that help you get to where you want to be.
Currently 3 hours into my picolax bowel prep and can honestly say that when the spasms hit and the yellow water pumps itself uncontrollably from my arse, that it is the most painful thing I have ever experienced. Think it's probably to do with all the fissures and ulcers, but still, watch out for picolax! It doesn't fuck about when it comes to cleaning you out.
Shambles
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^ Ouch! My botty hurts just thinking about that. In fact I'm not going to think about that and simply hope it's not for too long. I've heard those pre-bowel looksee laxatives are on the potent side. Talk about a Spring Cleaning 
Hope you're over the worst of it soonest
I think that's what's at the heart of the dependence vs addiction debate. A person prescribed opies for pain is less likely to think of them as anything other than their pain meds - less likely to have the psychological and emotional ties that are so much a part of being addicted to opiates/opioids. Also less likely to link w/d symptoms with actual withdrawal cos they don't think of themselves as being addicted. Much of the pain of w/d stems from the knowledge that you are addicted to a thing - if the discomfort is thought of strictly as being pain because you're not taking your painkillers it must surely feel really quite different.
Hope you're over the worst of it soonest
I think that's what's at the heart of the dependence vs addiction debate. A person prescribed opies for pain is less likely to think of them as anything other than their pain meds - less likely to have the psychological and emotional ties that are so much a part of being addicted to opiates/opioids. Also less likely to link w/d symptoms with actual withdrawal cos they don't think of themselves as being addicted. Much of the pain of w/d stems from the knowledge that you are addicted to a thing - if the discomfort is thought of strictly as being pain because you're not taking your painkillers it must surely feel really quite different.
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
That's it exactly.
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
eh?????????
Maybe it's the booze but did I read that right????
I got addicted to codeine by taking it for pain relief. I had a L5/S1 herniation. I had an MRI and have the proper photos n it was HUGE no word of a lie, had sciatica even though I exercised intensly like 5 weeks through it, doing realising at the time what it was. Anyway, yep, was prescribed co-codomal for it n was the worst thing I ever did.
....or was it??? I'd not have come to Bluelight!
PAIN RELIEF, in my opinion, and from reading LOTS and LOTS of webby stuff, is the MAIN way in which people become addicted to opiates. INCLUDING oxy n heroin!
Because a lot of people who become addicted to the "weaker" opiates ie codeine, hydrocodone, DHC, eventually want stronger stuff like oxy, heroin etc. Not everyone! But most. No disrespect to anyone but at one time I wanted to try stronger stuff, even asked questions on here about it. But ended up dependent on alcohol for awhile instead...
Evey
EDIT: Speaking of withdrawal an advert just came on about Alton Towers with a song (not sure of name but had "smile" in it reminded me of withdrawing n craving lol weird things that come on n make us remember stuff, eh?!)
Maybe it's the booze but did I read that right????
I got addicted to codeine by taking it for pain relief. I had a L5/S1 herniation. I had an MRI and have the proper photos n it was HUGE no word of a lie, had sciatica even though I exercised intensly like 5 weeks through it, doing realising at the time what it was. Anyway, yep, was prescribed co-codomal for it n was the worst thing I ever did.
....or was it??? I'd not have come to Bluelight!
PAIN RELIEF, in my opinion, and from reading LOTS and LOTS of webby stuff, is the MAIN way in which people become addicted to opiates. INCLUDING oxy n heroin!
Because a lot of people who become addicted to the "weaker" opiates ie codeine, hydrocodone, DHC, eventually want stronger stuff like oxy, heroin etc. Not everyone! But most. No disrespect to anyone but at one time I wanted to try stronger stuff, even asked questions on here about it. But ended up dependent on alcohol for awhile instead...
Evey
EDIT: Speaking of withdrawal an advert just came on about Alton Towers with a song (not sure of name but had "smile" in it reminded me of withdrawing n craving lol weird things that come on n make us remember stuff, eh?!)
Shambles
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I didn't say nobody got addicted to opiates from initially using only prescribed opiates whether they be "weak" or "strong". There's obviously going to be a risk of moving on to non-prescribed opiates but clearly the vast majority of people prescribed opiates for pain don't go on to use them recreationally or even habitually (non-prescribed but habitual, I mean). I do wonder whether it may be another case where genetic factors may play a role. I could certainly see environmental, psychological and social factors playing a role in which people on prescription opiates/opioids go on to develop problem use and ultimately addiction.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
I do see your point, Raas. I don't necessarily agree with it entirely for obvious reasons. I would, however, suggest that basing an opinion of all drugs on issues stemming from alcohol and heroin is stretching things a bit. Neither are exactly known for improving lives and health.
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
rass - sorry I only read some of that, yea I can relate... If you're getting flu like symptoms n you've had withdrawals from opiates in the past, well they bring back memories n I can understand the wanting to get high. I'm here if you ever want to talk, ok... n yes you're off iggy now with Dan haha
Evey xxxx
Evey xxxx
Well it's what my experience with drugs has lead me to believe. I have no agendas here. I really do wanna get high, hallucinate, trip out, stay up all night, float around etc... but when my well-being becomes compromised for it, I just have to say no.
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I chose weed and heroin as both are relatively soft on the brain, all hard drugs considered. Still got problems though. I just feel, that the better drugs become, the worse they are for you. No winning. If you've had better luck, best to you.
I've never had opi withdrawals, always been very cautious with use. It's my fave drug BTW. Only coz I love all the time rolling the tooters, chasing it around the foil... sooo much cooler than swallowing a pill or something.
Thanks for taking me off ignore. I will add that you were being a bit rude to other posters, which is what perhaps caused me and Dan to treat you a bit disdainfully. I appreciate sometimes you can feel emotional towards others (a problem you admitted too) and we shouldn't make a point of it and retaliate.
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Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
hahahahahah LMFAO raas was that your way of being tactful? You succeeded. The crap I've been through on the Internet you'd understand my over-defensiveness.
But 'tis nice that you stick up for your friends here. Yea I probably did go too fair that day.
I can get overly-emotional at times. At least I'm not called an "attention seeker," like by certain people hay ho lol.
rass you're ok really. Like me, some of your posts get misunderstood.
Speaking of that type of thing where is OTW???? He is ace n I love it when he's around here.
Evey
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