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Total red herring. Defibrillators are relatively common and have been for years. Nothing to do with the scary nanoparticle-ghosts.

Common but they haven't been installed outside shops or in housing developments. Which is a strange thing to do after giving out a vaccine with a side effect of myocarditis. Nothing to see here.
 
Common but they haven't been installed outside shops or in housing developments. Which is a strange thing to do after giving out a vaccine with a side effect of myocarditis. Nothing to see here.
Defibrillators have been installed in many public places for at least a decade. You're demonstrating textbook perfect confirmation bias. You may not have noticed them but you now have a hammer and everything is a bail.
 
maybe you two should get together sometime and talk about everything you know
well I wouldn't have much to say

I am reasonably aware of what I don't know though usually (which is.....a lot!)

Edit...what was that saying again? Something like "When I was 16 I knew everything...it's all been downhill since then"

Intelligence tends to know what it doesn't know, and does not insist on the 'truth' of it's assumptions or bias, or something
 
I can’t read that without a subscription or renting the article
I don’t know if I maybe have reached my free limit of nature articles per month because I know I often read articles from nature
but it could just be behind a permanently behind a paywall and
could you copy paste it?

Looking at your dates 1978 just says to me wow they really had this technology for that long and could never get it to market until they were able to slip through a loophole which avoided the usual 3 phase and multi year clinical trials in which they look for side effects and long term dangers Its actually even more disturbing

Francis Crick and James Watson in the mid-20th century.

Plus regarding the lab leak
it obviously was a lab leak


and the last Sars cov 1 outbreak was a lab fuckup it took 10yrs for them to admit it

Actually, the structure of DNA was identified between 1951 and 1953. The latter year being the original Nature article.

the study of mRNA began in the 60s. So mRNA isn't something that was recently discovered. If one presume that the paper below was also a two year study, it would place mRNA discovery only a dozen years after the discovery of DNAs structure.

Journal of Molecular Biology vol. 14 iss. 1 pp.13—22
Entrance of mRNA into HeLa cell cytoplasm in puromycin-treated cells
Latham, Harriet; Darnell, J.E. 1965 November

I think it was you that brought up the road black that was limitations in lipid technology and how someone finally solved that. Someone certainly highlighted it. Before then, VVVs were used (and indeed all of the other covid vaccines are VVVs). The only real difference is the delivery method.

It's certainly true that antivirals drugs only began to emerge in the late 1950s.

Chemical & Engineering News vol. 37 iss. 34 pp.37
Helenine: Antiviral Drug
1959 August 24

And to be clear, that is a small-molecule drug. The polio (virus) vaccine developed by Linus Salk was actually slightly earlier, 1952 if memory serves.

But I am only enough to have seen polio victims. The survivors. Luckily polio wasn't so easily spread.

Isolation hospitals were in every town until the introduction of antibiotics and vaccines. They would still exist without vaccines.

There have been some REALLY dodgy lab releases. The Sverdlovsk anthrax leak for example. That one is a horror show. It was the remote location that prevented it being any worse and of course the fact that their are antibiotics for that bacterial infection.

I did post a link to the letter from the US Congress to the CIA because it more clearly states the statute of the whistleblower.

'A multi-decade, senior-level, current Agency officer'

As a side-note, is the capitalization of Agency correct? One would think simply writing CIA would be faster and could not produce any semantic uncertainties. I promise I'm not being pedantic and it is asked for the purpose of clarification.

Let me just say that even in the UK we are well aware that the CIA is fond of defending ANYTHING on the grounds that it was 'In the interests of national security;. I once researched how many regime changes the CIA had supported or had acted towards. Every single nation in South and Central America (sometimes more than once) and basically ANY nation that elected a government considered they considered too left wing.
 
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Source it for me please so I can read it

I can’t find anything that backs up what you are saying and I have the man who was working on the technology saying the opposite of that when it’s not to his benefit to do so for him it’s tossing out years of research and lots of money opportunities and his reputation because he is so concerned with the hack they used to make it happen specifically the nanolipid particle that is reverse transcribed onto our dna now well not mine but anyone who breeds post vax and that’s just the weirdest not the worst of the things going on with the vaccine
but it’s now through this emergency loophole the platform that they are using for every vaccine they already made the flu shot with It

you can see when the American pfeizer vax gets delivered to I believe it was no Im not going to guess bc then Ill be on record saying something wrong but a country of the developing nation status was given a bunch of Pfizer vaccines and they had a huge increase in deaths

this is concerning for anoyine who wants a normal vaccine bc they are doing them all over again; why? I know why I think they are but if it’s not broken don’t fix it and if people are spooked by this new tec why would you put it in all the
vaccines if you cared about human life bc you know people will get spooked and not vaccime which. Witll lead to a surge in those previously eliminated diseases thats not good for mortality like so many things it’s either a. You care about people dying like the opioid epidemic but you are just so fucking inept that your attempts to stop people from dying from pills starting a whole new market for a whole new drug and death rates tripled or more then that or b. you’re thinning the herd bc you have aI and no longer need as many drones
speaking of
I am going to pass the ball to chat gbt for the research portion where usally I would hunt around on the internet for data and post links and shit


I would love to see something proving that the vax is safe and I’m a conspiracy theorist
there are so many wonderful people that I am concerned for and think everything that is going wrong with them is related to the vaccine



and on that note here is chat gbt which heavily biased in the direction of yey the vax is great and safe and wonderful but still doesnt say 1. its ever been used, 2. how they fixed the glitch was safe or normal 3. or it’s not that it’s not gene therapy labeled vaccine

forgive how verbose chat gbt is Im wordy its even worse it’s like a propaganda salesperson whose amped about this vaccine
keep in mind last updates to the free chat gbt was 2021 but I figured since we were talking about the past of mRNA technology use it was ok that the updates stopped in 2021


☠️me: Why haven’t mRNA vaccines been used before now?

chat gbt 👾:

mRNA vaccines, such as the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, represent a relatively new and innovative approach to vaccination. Several factors contributed to their development and approval for widespread use:

  1. Technological Advances: The successful development of mRNA vaccines required advancements in the understanding of mRNA biology, stabilization of mRNA molecules, and efficient delivery methods. It took years of research and development to overcome technical challenges.
  2. Urgent Need: The urgency of the COVID-19 pandemic accelerated the development of mRNA vaccines. The global scientific community focused its resources and expertise on finding a rapid and effective solution to the pandemic, leading to unprecedented collaboration and funding.
  3. Preexisting Research: Researchers had been working on mRNA vaccine technology for years, particularly for other infectious diseases like influenza, Zika, and rabies. This prior research provided a foundation of knowledge and experience that could be applied to COVID-19.
  4. Flexibility: mRNA vaccine technology offers a high degree of flexibility. Once the genetic sequence of the virus causing a disease is known, it can be relatively quickly adapted to create a vaccine. This adaptability is especially valuable during pandemics when there's a need for rapid vaccine development.
  5. Regulatory Process: The regulatory process for approving new vaccines is typically lengthy and rigorous. In the case of the COVID-19 vaccines, regulatory agencies like the U.S. FDA and the European Medicines Agency (EMA) expedited their review processes while maintaining safety and efficacy standards.
  6. Emergency Use Authorization: Given the severity of the pandemic, many countries and regulatory agencies issued Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) for the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines to make them available to the public more quickly than traditional vaccine approvals.
In summary, mRNA vaccine technology had been in development for years, but it was the urgency of the COVID-19 pandemic, technological advancements, and a collaborative global effort that accelerated their development and approval for widespread use. This pandemic showcased the potential of mRNA vaccines and may lead to their use in future vaccine development for various infectious diseases.




☠️me: What was the primary technical challenge keeping the mRNA technology from being used for gene therapy as was its initial intended invention?

chat gbt 👾: The primary technical challenge that initially hindered the use of mRNA technology for gene therapy and other applications was its inherent instability and immunogenicity. When researchers first began working with mRNA, they encountered several issues:

  1. Stability: mRNA molecules are inherently fragile and can be quickly degraded by enzymes in the body. This made it challenging to deliver intact mRNA to target cells and tissues without it breaking down.
  2. Immune Response: Injected mRNA was recognized by the immune system as foreign and could trigger an immune response, potentially leading to inflammation or the destruction of the mRNA molecules before they could have their therapeutic effect.
  3. Delivery: Delivering mRNA into cells with high efficiency was a technical hurdle. Finding a way to get mRNA inside target cells without causing damage or interference was a major challenge.
To overcome these challenges and make mRNA technology suitable for gene therapy and vaccine development, scientists had to develop innovative solutions:

  • Chemical Modifications: Researchers developed various chemical modifications to stabilize mRNA molecules, making them more resistant to degradation and less likely to trigger an immune response.
  • Lipid Nanoparticles: The development of lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) as delivery vehicles played a crucial role. LNPs protect mRNA during delivery, facilitate its uptake by cells, and enhance its stability.
  • Optimizing Sequences: Scientists refined the sequences of mRNA to minimize immunogenicity and improve translation efficiency.
  • Understanding Immunogenicity: A deeper understanding of the immune response to mRNA and how to modulate it was critical. This knowledge helped in the design of mRNA molecules that are less likely to trigger unwanted immune reactions.
  • Clinical Trials: Extensive preclinical and clinical research was conducted to validate the safety and efficacy of mRNA-based therapies and vaccines.
The development of mRNA vaccines for COVID-19, such as the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, marked a major milestone in demonstrating the viability of mRNA technology for widespread use. These vaccines leveraged the lessons learned from earlier mRNA research and addressed many of the technical challenges, leading to their successful deployment on a global scale. This success has paved the way for further exploration of mRNA technology in gene therapy and other medical applications.

its probably both
sudden adult death syndrome



☠️me: You were last updated in 2021 it’s 2023 September 12 2023 and there is a new syndrome called sudden adult death syndrome that kills people the same way that SIDS killed babies as in you find them dead the only thing different in our environment is the Covid vaccine


chat Gbt 👾:

I'm sorry to hear about your concerns, but I must clarify that as of my last update in September 2021, there was no widely recognized medical condition or syndrome called "sudden adult death syndrome" directly linked to COVID-19 vaccines or any other specific cause. It's essential to rely on accurate and up-to-date information from reputable medical sources and regulatory agencies for any new developments in medical science and public health.
If you have concerns or are aware of any unusual health events, it's crucial to report them to your healthcare provider and local health authorities. Health agencies continuously monitor and investigate any potential adverse events associated with vaccines and other medical interventions to ensure public safety

Please consider seeking information from trustworthy sources and consulting with healthcare professionals for the most current and accurate information on any health-related matter.


😂😂😂 oh yeah nothing to see here it’s all normal normal normal
No red flags at all
Chatgpt is not good for sourcing it needs to be banned in the context of finding information. It is a text generating engine not a fact generating engine.

I got it to tell me that smoking crack was good for cardiac health
 
Chatgpt is not good for sourcing it needs to be banned in the context of finding information. It is a text generating engine not a fact generating engine.

I got it to tell me that smoking crack was good for cardiac health

Wait - NOW you tell me. I've been 'lickin' the pipe' every twenty minutes for the last 6 months because ChatGPT told me it would stave off my inevitable demise due to COPD. Next you will be telling me it just makes these things up.


Oh, it does. ;-)
 
lol in my country when the vaccines opened to young people (I think 16+) anti-vaxxers started #LeaveOurKidsAlone trending on twitter (in reference to the Pink Floyd song) and literally 99% of the replies under the hashtags were young people saying they WANT the vaccine and maybe anti-vaxxers should take their own advice and fuck off and leave them alone.
 
Anybody remember that study of 51,011 Cleveland Clinic employees that showed the more shots they got the higher chance they have of catching Covid? You guys will still get the new shot tho

The risk of COVID-19 also varied by the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses previously received. The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19 (Figure 2).

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