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All countries did not find mRNA Covid shots safe. China even banned them for a while. China has one now tho

Ah - I didn't know ANY details about the Chinese vaccine. Now I know 2. Banned so they could make their own using, as you said, the same mRNA technology.

Do you think it's their own or a rip-off? China doesn't recognize patent-holders in some circumstances. An improvement, originally the recognized NO patents.. then they started developing stuff and as if by magic, THEN they recognize patents... which isn't to say they don't infringe them. They do, all the time. That's why they are stuck at 28nm of ICs. Nobody will sell them the tech to go smaller or they would reverse-engineer it.
 
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mRNA drugs/vaccines have been around since 1988 but it was always a cost issue that prevented it being used. That's why none received approval, nobody ever submitted one. If they were having to use a natural lipid it would certainly pose a challenge. A mixture of similar lipids would be hell to separate but you would have to or you couldn't state exactly what was in the drug/vaccine.

They look deceptively simple, but if a double-bond has to be at a specific point, how would you separate from those with the double bond on the next pair of carbons?

OT but in the UK they used a lipid as a marker (one of two markers to be specific) in diesel fuel. If it's used by farm machinery, it's much cheaper (no VAT). They chose a lipid because it's so difficult to separate. It has a pink dye in it as well, but criminals discovered how to remove that. I collect some ODD facts...
 
You're never going to convince me that: we're smart enough to tinker with our own biology at the genetic level, that it is superior to actually trying to live well in the first place, or that it is justified in being used against something no more serious than the flu.

Whichever way you slice it, it's insanity.
 
Since the truth is unwelcome in CE&P (even when it's publicly disseminated via the mainstream), I'll have to post stuff here:

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Spoiler alert: "long covid" is just disastrous side effects of the experimental vaccine.

Incredible more people did not see this coming.
 
'Long Covid' is nonsense. They just slapped two words together to categorize something they don't understand. Like chronic fatigue syndrome and other such conditions, there's a whole range of symptoms that are applicable and overlap, but the common theme is that it's not understood what is really causing/sustaining the problem. Vague references to hormones, the immune system, etc, and the only thing they know for sure is the name lol.

Then there's the notion that the vaccine may cause it, which just muddies the water further. Rather than admit vaccine damage as a specific thing it now just gets shoved under the umbrella of long covid. Convenient.

People had these symptoms before the vaccine rollout though. People have suffered with similar after infections/illness prior to covid. There's clearly something missing from our understanding of how all this works. But rather than admit we don't know we just conjure up some new words to disguise our ignorance and obfuscate/misdirect people from considering possibilities that are implicitly banished by the newly coined term. It's not 'vaccine damage' now, it's 'long covid'.

The fact they made up this nonsense before even a single year had elapsed since covid was officially recognized is hilarious. 'Long' in my book is definitely greater than a year for fucks sake.
 
You're never going to convince me that: we're smart enough to tinker with our own biology at the genetic level, that it is superior to actually trying to live well in the first place, or that it is justified in being used against something no more serious than the flu.

Whichever way you slice it, it's insanity.

That is what vaccines do. Always has been,
 


Do we not think that this kind of scenario with billionaires all heavily invested in vaccines, might just be why you need multiple boosters? The pharma companies make more money so their share price is higher. It's all just been done for financial gain.
 


Do we not think that this kind of scenario with billionaires all heavily invested in vaccines, might just be why you need multiple boosters? The pharma companies make more money so their share price is higher. It's all just been done for financial gain.
It's clearly highly in the mix
 
ok
Source it for me please so I can read it

I can’t find anything that backs up what you are saying and I have the man who was working on the technology saying the opposite of that when it’s not to his benefit to do so for him it’s tossing out years of research and lots of money opportunities and his reputation because he is so concerned with the hack they used to make it happen specifically the nanolipid particle that is reverse transcribed onto our dna now well not mine but anyone who breeds post vax and that’s just the weirdest not the worst of the things going on with the vaccine
but it’s now through this emergency loophole the platform that they are using for every vaccine they already made the flu shot with It

you can see when the American pfeizer vax gets delivered to I believe it was no Im not going to guess bc then Ill be on record saying something wrong but a country of the developing nation status was given a bunch of Pfizer vaccines and they had a huge increase in deaths

this is concerning for anoyine who wants a normal vaccine bc they are doing them all over again; why? I know why I think they are but if it’s not broken don’t fix it and if people are spooked by this new tec why would you put it in all the
vaccines if you cared about human life bc you know people will get spooked and not vaccime which. Witll lead to a surge in those previously eliminated diseases thats not good for mortality like so many things it’s either a. You care about people dying like the opioid epidemic but you are just so fucking inept that your attempts to stop people from dying from pills starting a whole new market for a whole new drug and death rates tripled or more then that or b. you’re thinning the herd bc you have aI and no longer need as many drones
speaking of
I am going to pass the ball to chat gbt for the research portion where usally I would hunt around on the internet for data and post links and shit


I would love to see something proving that the vax is safe and I’m a conspiracy theorist
there are so many wonderful people that I am concerned for and think everything that is going wrong with them is related to the vaccine



and on that note here is chat gbt which heavily biased in the direction of yey the vax is great and safe and wonderful but still doesnt say 1. its ever been used, 2. how they fixed the glitch was safe or normal 3. or it’s not that it’s not gene therapy labeled vaccine

forgive how verbose chat gbt is Im wordy its even worse it’s like a propaganda salesperson whose amped about this vaccine
keep in mind last updates to the free chat gbt was 2021 but I figured since we were talking about the past of mRNA technology use it was ok that the updates stopped in 2021


☠️me: Why haven’t mRNA vaccines been used before now?

chat gbt 👾:

mRNA vaccines, such as the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, represent a relatively new and innovative approach to vaccination. Several factors contributed to their development and approval for widespread use:

  1. Technological Advances: The successful development of mRNA vaccines required advancements in the understanding of mRNA biology, stabilization of mRNA molecules, and efficient delivery methods. It took years of research and development to overcome technical challenges.
  2. Urgent Need: The urgency of the COVID-19 pandemic accelerated the development of mRNA vaccines. The global scientific community focused its resources and expertise on finding a rapid and effective solution to the pandemic, leading to unprecedented collaboration and funding.
  3. Preexisting Research: Researchers had been working on mRNA vaccine technology for years, particularly for other infectious diseases like influenza, Zika, and rabies. This prior research provided a foundation of knowledge and experience that could be applied to COVID-19.
  4. Flexibility: mRNA vaccine technology offers a high degree of flexibility. Once the genetic sequence of the virus causing a disease is known, it can be relatively quickly adapted to create a vaccine. This adaptability is especially valuable during pandemics when there's a need for rapid vaccine development.
  5. Regulatory Process: The regulatory process for approving new vaccines is typically lengthy and rigorous. In the case of the COVID-19 vaccines, regulatory agencies like the U.S. FDA and the European Medicines Agency (EMA) expedited their review processes while maintaining safety and efficacy standards.
  6. Emergency Use Authorization: Given the severity of the pandemic, many countries and regulatory agencies issued Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) for the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines to make them available to the public more quickly than traditional vaccine approvals.
In summary, mRNA vaccine technology had been in development for years, but it was the urgency of the COVID-19 pandemic, technological advancements, and a collaborative global effort that accelerated their development and approval for widespread use. This pandemic showcased the potential of mRNA vaccines and may lead to their use in future vaccine development for various infectious diseases.




☠️me: What was the primary technical challenge keeping the mRNA technology from being used for gene therapy as was its initial intended invention?

chat gbt 👾: The primary technical challenge that initially hindered the use of mRNA technology for gene therapy and other applications was its inherent instability and immunogenicity. When researchers first began working with mRNA, they encountered several issues:

  1. Stability: mRNA molecules are inherently fragile and can be quickly degraded by enzymes in the body. This made it challenging to deliver intact mRNA to target cells and tissues without it breaking down.
  2. Immune Response: Injected mRNA was recognized by the immune system as foreign and could trigger an immune response, potentially leading to inflammation or the destruction of the mRNA molecules before they could have their therapeutic effect.
  3. Delivery: Delivering mRNA into cells with high efficiency was a technical hurdle. Finding a way to get mRNA inside target cells without causing damage or interference was a major challenge.
To overcome these challenges and make mRNA technology suitable for gene therapy and vaccine development, scientists had to develop innovative solutions:

  • Chemical Modifications: Researchers developed various chemical modifications to stabilize mRNA molecules, making them more resistant to degradation and less likely to trigger an immune response.
  • Lipid Nanoparticles: The development of lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) as delivery vehicles played a crucial role. LNPs protect mRNA during delivery, facilitate its uptake by cells, and enhance its stability.
  • Optimizing Sequences: Scientists refined the sequences of mRNA to minimize immunogenicity and improve translation efficiency.
  • Understanding Immunogenicity: A deeper understanding of the immune response to mRNA and how to modulate it was critical. This knowledge helped in the design of mRNA molecules that are less likely to trigger unwanted immune reactions.
  • Clinical Trials: Extensive preclinical and clinical research was conducted to validate the safety and efficacy of mRNA-based therapies and vaccines.
The development of mRNA vaccines for COVID-19, such as the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, marked a major milestone in demonstrating the viability of mRNA technology for widespread use. These vaccines leveraged the lessons learned from earlier mRNA research and addressed many of the technical challenges, leading to their successful deployment on a global scale. This success has paved the way for further exploration of mRNA technology in gene therapy and other medical applications.

its probably both
sudden adult death syndrome



☠️me: You were last updated in 2021 it’s 2023 September 12 2023 and there is a new syndrome called sudden adult death syndrome that kills people the same way that SIDS killed babies as in you find them dead the only thing different in our environment is the Covid vaccine


chat Gbt 👾:

I'm sorry to hear about your concerns, but I must clarify that as of my last update in September 2021, there was no widely recognized medical condition or syndrome called "sudden adult death syndrome" directly linked to COVID-19 vaccines or any other specific cause. It's essential to rely on accurate and up-to-date information from reputable medical sources and regulatory agencies for any new developments in medical science and public health.
If you have concerns or are aware of any unusual health events, it's crucial to report them to your healthcare provider and local health authorities. Health agencies continuously monitor and investigate any potential adverse events associated with vaccines and other medical interventions to ensure public safety

Please consider seeking information from trustworthy sources and consulting with healthcare professionals for the most current and accurate information on any health-related matter.


😂😂😂 oh yeah nothing to see here it’s all normal normal normal
No red flags at all


BTW the earliest paper is:

Nucleic Acids Research vol. 8 iss. 24 pp.6081—6097
Conformational alteration of mRNA structure and the posttranscriptional regulation of erythromycin-induced drug resistance

Which while published in 1980, details research conducted in 1978... actually even earlier than I thought.
 
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mRNA drugs/vaccines have been around since 1988 but it was always a cost issue that prevented it being used.
Also the fact that no mRNA vaccine produced has ever been successful.

At the end of the day, if you believe in the religion of vaccines, go ahead and take them all (reminds me of the pro-lobotomy people a couple centuries ago).

But if you want to force other, more intelligent people into accepting your fucked-up injections manufactured by criminals - then you are a problem. You're an ignorant fascist, really. Keep your heart inflammation to yourselves.
 
This isn't suspicious at all. I still believe that covid came from a chinese person eating a pangolin...
No amount of evidence can change my mind as I can't accept that anyone remotely right-wing was correct and I was wrong.

Both Fauci and Gates were pouring money into Wuhan before the outbreak. Gain of function research.


There are much better articles regarding this.
 
This is fucked up

They also now have defibrillators outside local shops here.

What do we think has caused this? My next door neighbour had 2 doses of the jab and took a heart attack, her husband took the same and hes had a stroke.

One of my mates, his dad took a heart attack, and both his uncles have died of heart problems since. That's 3 out of 3 brothers all had heart problems since taking it.

You will never convince me MRNA jabs are safe or that covid jabs helped in any way shape or form cos they blatantly didn't help anyone bar the rich getting richer.
 
Both Fauci and Gates were pouring money into Wuhan before the outbreak. Gain of function research.
Remember though, that just because they were funding this research doesn't mean that it can do what it says on the tin. Whether you believe in viability of viral bioweaponry or not (I don't), it is the fear of the weaponry that is its main leverage. The past three years, if anything, demonstrates just what fear can do to individuals and entire populations.

Personally I think it's quite clear from the self-evident massaging of statistics and shoddy testing, the incessant propaganda, the censorship, and the flagrant disregard of the situation i.e. parties at No.10 in April 2020, that the entire thing was a giant charade.
 
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