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Fear rules this planet. It makes me laugh that we live in an era where people openly mock Christianity (I'm not Christian) for all the stupid things it believes, for all the idiocy and hysteria that gripped people during the middle ages, and yet this entire covid debacle is just a parallel example of that same exact mindset. Hysteria over some invisible entity (demon) we can't prove exists - only the priests can prove it - and attributing physical symptoms to it and creating a circular logic out of belief, then going on to persecute those who do not share in the hysterical delusional state. It is almost identical to historical examples, and yet people can't see it.
That's funny, I'm on another forum where we call the people that believe the narrative "covidians", because the narrative uses the exact same principles that religion uses. "Science" is the new religion. What people don't seem to understand is that "science" is wrong most of the time, The deeper you dig into a topic, the more complex it becomes, until the point it becomes almost completely incomprehensible by a human mind. Every single topic does this, there's nothing that we know everything about. (I read a study the other day about gravity being a "push" down from above rather than a " pull" from below...). We don't even know why our feet are on the ground.

I'd be willing to bet that all these people wearing masks yelling "TrUSt ThE SciEnCE", would be the exact same people going after witches, and following a "Messiah" all over the desert if they were born a thousand years ago.
 
That's funny, I'm on another forum where we call the people that believe the narrative "covidians", because the narrative uses the exact same principles that religion uses. "Science" is the new religion. What people don't seem to understand is that "science" is wrong most of the time, The deeper you dig into a topic, the more complex it becomes, until the point it becomes almost completely incomprehensible by a human mind. Every single topic does this, there's nothing that we know everything about. (I read a study the other day about gravity being a "push" down from above rather than a " pull" from below...). We don't even know why our feet are on the ground.
Absolutely. There is a particular area of science where this is so obvious and evident, and that is in cosmology. Which happens to be my favourite area of interest. What is incredible is the absolute surety so many people have over things like the big bang theory and other aspects of our universe, when the furthest we've physically been is the fucking moon! Not only that, but we are constantly getting surprises from our observational data that completely contradicts the narrative we have about space and our place in it. It's ok to say you believe in things, but people take these things are absolutes and facts, just because it has been decreed by authorities in scientific institutions and the textbook writers.

Of course the greatest irony of it all is that these people believe science successfully escaped the grasp of the church hundreds of years ago. That it is a triumph of reason over superstition. Unfortunately, neither are true. There isn't a single century where the Jesuit's (militant catholic/vatican group) influence is not seen in science lol.
I'd be willing to bet that all these people wearing masks yelling "TrUSt ThE SciEnCE", would be the exact same people going after witches, and following a "Messiah" all over the desert if they were born a thousand years ago.
We haven't really changed all that much. Technologically we have, but spiritually and psychologically we're not that much more advanced than we were thousands of years ago. That's part of the problem. People can't accept that we aren't and mistake technological progress for overall progress.
 
That's funny, I'm on another forum where we call the people that believe the narrative "covidians", because the narrative uses the exact same principles that religion uses. "Science" is the new religion. What people don't seem to understand is that "science" is wrong most of the time, The deeper you dig into a topic, the more complex it becomes, until the point it becomes almost completely incomprehensible by a human mind. Every single topic does this, there's nothing that we know everything about. (I read a study the other day about gravity being a "push" down from above rather than a " pull" from below...). We don't even know why our feet are on the ground.

I'd be willing to bet that all these people wearing masks yelling "TrUSt ThE SciEnCE", would be the exact same people going after witches, and following a "Messiah" all over the desert if they were born a thousand years ago.
Hi and friendly welcs.

I actually stay pretty mostly right out of this endless looping topic now long time in fact after realising the futility of scrambling heads without a % even of the big picture, with only mass and deceitfully conjured division, far less so now tbf since the topic's volcanic offspring.

But still, we have a less visible also nicely weaker-barriered (I like that uncommon term actually, like barriered off re say building site, crime scene etc but barriers of all sahpes guises too.

I'm not downplaying the value, importance, worth etc of the rolling discussions, nor insulting any member here activing in it whichever valid reason I'm sure.

But I have v extreme personal cases of said ""Covid" last 2.6 yrs, after rarely severe life changing extreme case of Lyme based immune/Nervous system destruction from 2005 and legit 99% allergy, must avoid rate towards all things since.


My own nervous system in particular was damaged, hijacked and re-ordered from the aggressive stealthy non-nature too zoonotic engineered bacteria Borrelia alone all co-infections aside!


So my experience falls into a different category so context essential to appreciate I'm not arguihg a thing just reporting genuinely with some insight, sharing unbiased despite my (strong is wrong word here, religious may be more apt lol) anti-Allopathic Pharmaceutical MSM etc stance


Because I began, naive in retrospect, adamant that the unquestionable whatever NWO agenda in this aside either way, that it's crazy hype re how "big" Covid really is, take all lies foney stats propaganda censorship away etc, see!


Sorry meant too, I was convinced it was no worse than the neurological cocsackie viruses I'd been living/coping well with 12 years. Atop Lyme and everything else in time.

And a piddle too vs true 6 week influenza also had 6 times or is it 5?

Can work it out fast too stoned atm lol.

Since 2014 Dec.



I was wrong though. It's not black & white in any shade.

Covid is like a big fog to us collectively.


I haven't swung politically, just examining it differentky. I have my own unique here too specific, seemingly nutty wild theiries re what Covid actually "is" even.

Regardless, I was surprised. For person's imuune compromised, prime for L Covud (it DOES exist that, like me ever since Jan 2021 rotating/overlapping at times Long C afflictions invading my own wide open nervous system causing untold but real physical nerve damage too.

It's affected my life more than Bkrrelua & Co did via level of physical nerve damage most.

Also same for Neurological Coxsackie viruses. A piddle in contrast.


I'm not speaking for all at all. I'm as un-MSM- brainwashed fully anti-establishment, in NO way ever still no matter what pro-jab!

As can be still. But experience trumps theory.

Just trying to be objective about exactly what we have loose here, what it is/isn't, why it's NOT nothing say, and WHY it affects certain individuals in ways other traditional pathogens don't often?


Anyway, I enjoyed reading some of your fresh impetus posts last eve albeit hazy.

Two poihts- yes right lol, like isn't BL F WICKED & rare, wrong word again almost sole!

Open place ANY person can get website can read freely even...join up have own say.

Besides being friendly(ish lol) and not derailing (too much)

If's as uncensored as the open social web gets IMO.

Like how e.g. Joe Biden CANNOT suck my C#-k lol, forrastart it isn't even chicolate chip!

That's super light too, from me soft example.



Second- REDDIT! Too right.

Once and only time I ever posted in r/coronavirus there, I suggested exactly...
"The figures may be inaccurate"

30 secs or less, messages inbox. "You have been permanently banned from posting in r/coronavirus"


Like, is that Censorship or WHAT?


Was no active mod either. Reddit's AI control/filter etc programme.

Which runs everywhere like that except, Bluelight! :)
 
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Obese people, people will existing comorbidities, and those 80+ age people, they were the only ones at any risk at any point.

Those 18 and under are at 0% risk. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Those under 60 and who aren't obese and/or ill from other causes, again are at 0% risk.
bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

idk if this @-=SS=- person is flat-out lying or just catastrophically mistaken, but this whole thing is maddeningly false.

age 7 is the lowest risk age, goes up from there and newborns (last time i checked) are at about the same risk (going by ifr) as 30 Y.O.s... and this doesn't even take into account the slew of other health problems, some long term or potentially permanent

obviously they won't read this, since they muted me (guessing it's cause i'm one of the few left on these covid threads that calls them out on their patent bullshit... kinda sad).

and saying the virus doesn''t exist, lol... speaking of lost cause... what a crazy position to hold (i know, dead horse but WTF?!?!)
 
I normally do not take what comedians and actors say seriously but Woody Harrelson was completely 1,000% correct about the COVID vaccines.

I am not anti-vaccine. I get flu shots. When I was 20 I did not as I was completely healthy and figured what's the point? I got sick with a horrible strain of flu that was so bad I thought I was pozzed or had been infected with HIV, or had AIDS. I normally never get sick and when I do it is just for 1-3 days. This flu was extremely bad, but not so bad that I had to go to a hospital. It did clean out my lungs and any tar I had from smoking marijuana, hash, and tobacco as I was coughing so much that I could not stay asleep. I went to a doctor as the coughing lasted for months or what seemed like a long time like more than normal, and I was given medication or maybe an antibiotic, which actually made the coughing worse so I stopped taking it after 2-3 days and fully recovered.

I met a woman who also had this strain of flu, we called it the death flu. It was seriously that bad and scary.
 
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"Science" is the new religion.
science is a methodology which we use to look at evidence and find the answers.

religion is where someone "knows" the answer and tries to force the evidence to fit it, no matter how absurd the "answer" they've divined might be.

science and religion are two very different things.
"science" is wrong most of the time, there's nothing that we know everything about.
what does this even mean? of course we don't know everything... 'science' is not right or wrong, as i said above it's a methodology... but if it's a theory, then we can have the utmost confidence that it is the right answer. if it's a hypothesis or conjecture, it might be wrong (which is fun, cause then we can learn and grow).

and wild guess, was this "study" on gravity talking about frames of reference? like how relative to the earth, we are held down... relative to us, the earth is expanding up at us? this doesn't mean newton's physics or einstein's relativity is wrong. and not knowing the answer is not evidence that your assumptions are correct (and to put it forth as an argument is a fallacy, the appeal to hypocrisy fallacy).
all these people wearing masks yelling "TrUSt ThE SciEnCE"
have you actually met one of these people? i've NEVER heard anyone irl use the phrase 'trust the science' unironically.

u sure you didn't just create a charicature in your mind after reading a buzzfeed headline or something?
 
Which runs everywhere like that except, Bluelight! :)
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"science" is wrong most of the time, there's nothing that we know everything about.

As nepalInt said, science has never claimed to be 100% certain of anything. Any scientist worth the name is well aware that tomoprrow we might radically redefine our entire concept of reality... and that, in turn, may be false. At best, we hve an incomplete understanding, of everything.

Morons might claim that we're 100% right about everything we think we know right now... 'but then, morons of every cloth will scream about how irrefutably correct their opinion is, and refuse to entertain any evidence to the contrary.

Science, as stated above, is a methodology. It's about developing a hypothesis, and then experimenting to see if you can repeatedly verify that hypothesis as correct. Once enough people do that over and over enough time, we call it a theory and begim to think of it as fact.

Contrast that with most other periods of human history, when someone in authority claimed pretty much anything, and since no on had any better idea, it became fact.

I'm not saying that no one is dogmatic about science, of course some people are. But the entire concept of science isn't bullshit, nor is it akin to religion. A worthwhile scientist knows we have the incomplete picture and they live for when someone can prove them wrong, because those are the opportunities to learn.

Science is how we have computers, and the very medium by which we are now communicating. Without science, we'd be burning witches and killing each other over who has the right to go to heaven. Imean we still have otjher reasons we come up with to kill each other, but we're lucky as fuck to live in the times that we do. I mean, 20, 30 years ago was better in many ways, but yeah...

The American primary school system has failed so badly, it's disturbing. Or maybe it's just that the propaganda designed to provoke anti-intellectualism is so strong, it seems that way. Either way, for someone to get through their primary education and them compare, broadly, the very idea of science to religion, is wild. Are there worldviews/concepts that are clothed in science that are viewed in an orthodox way? Sure, absolutely (and there always have been and probably always will be). Is the scientific method a religion? No, it is simply the way that a logical person will arrive at to inform their concept of reality. You believe something that you can explain and repeatedly reproduce in experimental conditions. If your idea of what science is differs from that, then you are lacking the understand of what science is, full stop.
 
As nepalInt said, science has never claimed to be 100% certain of anything. Any scientist worth the name is well aware that tomoprrow we might radically redefine our entire concept of reality... and that, in turn, may be false. At best, we hve an incomplete understanding, of everything.

Morons might claim that we're 100% right about everything we think we know right now... 'but then, morons of every cloth will scream about how irrefutably correct their opinion is, and refuse to entertain any evidence to the contrary.

Science, as stated above, is a methodology. It's about developing a hypothesis, and then experimenting to see if you can repeatedly verify that hypothesis as correct. Once enough people do that over and over enough time, we call it a theory and begim to think of it as fact.

Contrast that with most other periods of human history, when someone in authority claimed pretty much anything, and since no on had any better idea, it became fact.

I'm not saying that no one is dogmatic about science, of course some people are. But the entire concept of science isn't bullshit, nor is it akin to religion. A worthwhile scientist knows we have the incomplete picture and they live for when someone can prove them wrong, because those are the opportunities to learn.

Science is how we have computers, and the very medium by which we are now communicating. Without science, we'd be burning witches and killing each other over who has the right to go to heaven. Imean we still have otjher reasons we come up with to kill each other, but we're lucky as fuck to live in the times that we do. I mean, 20, 30 years ago was better in many ways, but yeah...

The American primary school system has failed so badly, it's disturbing. Or maybe it's just that the propaganda designed to provoke anti-intellectualism is so strong, it seems that way. Either way, for someone to get through their primary education and them compare, broadly, the very idea of science to religion, is wild. Are there worldviews/concepts that are clothed in science that are viewed in an orthodox way? Sure, absolutely (and there always have been and probably always will be). Is the scientific method a religion? No, it is simply the way that a logical person will arrive at to inform their concept of reality. You believe something that you can explain and repeatedly reproduce in experimental conditions. If your idea of what science is differs from that, then you are lacking the understand of what science is, full stop.
I’m right about everything all the time, if that makes me a moron then I’ll smear shit all over my body and lick the windows at the nearest McDonalds
 
Ah yes, the American intelligence apparatus and military industrial complex. The most trustworthy, credible experts who always get their assessments bang on! The seed is being firmly planted in the public consciousness to 'other' the Chinese sufficiently, for when the time comes for America to meet its destiny with them - can't have a great reset if China is still producing all the worlds crap and America is consuming the vast majority of it.

It's misdirection.
I'm not saying that no one is dogmatic about science, of course some people are. But the entire concept of science isn't bullshit, nor is it akin to religion. A worthwhile scientist knows we have the incomplete picture and they live for when someone can prove them wrong, because those are the opportunities to learn.
This just isn't true and is a naïve fantasy of how we would all like science to function. It just doesn't work that way in reality. Funding, politics, the journal/academic system, and just plain old biases, science really is not that remarkably different psychologically from the religious system of Christianity that it tried to launch away from in the middle ages. As pointed out already, right from its inception science has been influenced directly by the Catholic church Jesuit's. Even the big bang theory is the brainchild of a Catholic priest.

Cosmology in particular reveals your assessment to be false. There are so many holes, contradictions, anomalies, absurdities, within the standard cosmological model. It is incredible that anyone still takes it seriously to be honest. But people continue to defend it, and vehemently. The model should have imploded a long time ago, but they keep plugging it with new creations like 'dark matter' in order to prevent its inevitably demise. And people still defend it, vehemently, despite it being clearly a mathematical, unproveable and untestable, metaphysical construct. It's ludicrous.

The scientific fantasy we all wish were true died at the turn of the 20th century, when the military industrial complex (ruling class) began to interfere more directly in the narrative. I'm sure I've pointed it out somewhere here before, but Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert (suspected MI6 agent), was the man responsible for the debacle we have now with journals and funding castrating independent research and keeping people within a particular Overton window (if they want funding).

The methodology is fine. Just like in religion the individuals personal quest for Truth is fine. But it has become institutionalized and corrupted, like its predecessor.
 
shit, must be a tough industry to be in at times like this. crazy that they're keeping covid restrictions in place for so long in the u.s. what the fuck are they expecting to still happen?

yup....i just had another interview a few days ago - no mention of the vaccine other than they lost business when the mandate came down because they didn't have enough techs to do the job - but they didn't say i had to get the shots or anything and that's usually the first thing they mention....so we'll see what happens next but im not holding my breath.....
 
Ah yes, the American intelligence apparatus and military industrial complex. The most trustworthy, credible experts who always get their assessments bang on! The seed is being firmly planted in the public consciousness to 'other' the Chinese sufficiently, for when the time comes for America to meet its destiny with them - can't have a great reset if China is still producing all the worlds crap and America is consuming the vast majority of it.

It's misdirection.

This just isn't true and is a naïve fantasy of how we would all like science to function. It just doesn't work that way in reality. Funding, politics, the journal/academic system, and just plain old biases, science really is not that remarkably different psychologically from the religious system of Christianity that it tried to launch away from in the middle ages. As pointed out already, right from its inception science has been influenced directly by the Catholic church Jesuit's. Even the big bang theory is the brainchild of a Catholic priest.

Cosmology in particular reveals your assessment to be false. There are so many holes, contradictions, anomalies, absurdities, within the standard cosmological model. It is incredible that anyone still takes it seriously to be honest. But people continue to defend it, and vehemently. The model should have imploded a long time ago, but they keep plugging it with new creations like 'dark matter' in order to prevent its inevitably demise. And people still defend it, vehemently, despite it being clearly a mathematical, unproveable and untestable, metaphysical construct. It's ludicrous.

The scientific fantasy we all wish were true died at the turn of the 20th century, when the military industrial complex (ruling class) began to interfere more directly in the narrative. I'm sure I've pointed it out somewhere here before, but Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert (suspected MI6 agent), was the man responsible for the debacle we have now with journals and funding castrating independent research and keeping people within a particular Overton window (if they want funding).

The methodology is fine. Just like in religion the individuals personal quest for Truth is fine. But it has become institutionalized and corrupted, like its predecessor.
It is not only the USA only. Almost all of the world governments and health orgs were fine with covid restrictions, forced vaccines, etc. Globalist leaders did it because of ORANGE MAN BAD! groupthink, and they wanted a war with Russia or the 3rd great war.

China did this before with SARS. The PRC puts inner Asians and non-han, and Muslim Chinese into prison camps and removes their organs while they are still alive.


 
Greta looks like Gollum but she has FAS. I feel bad that her parents manipulated her, when they should have had her see a medical doctor, psychotherapist, or psychiatrist instead.

Of course she did this to them as well by having them become vegan, not use any electricity/heating in their home, forced them to stop driving cars or going on planes, etc.
 
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