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The Dive's Covid Thread

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Mr. Krinkle said:
yea but i don't care - go ahead and spread whatever you want - just don't tell me that i need to comply
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Atleast most people on this site have come around, I remember back when the vax first came out there was only a couple of us that were openly against it, now it seems to be the other way around, only a handful of people clinging to the vax, that gives me a sliver of hope for humanity
 
mal3volent said:
Are you guys going to get your new boosters?

they are specially formulated for the variants going around now...
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Nah, I had omicron, and even if I get it again, it was just like a cold for me. From what I understand, the study for this modified vaccine involved 8 mice... that is really a shoddy study, I'm not even sure I would call it research. It does not inspire confidence in me at all. I don't want to be saying this but it really makes me question whether I should be trusting what's going on. If someone can convince me that the 8 mouse thing is fake news or something, then I still wouldn't get it, because my opinion is that it is time to stop freaking out about this thing. We have a new endemic disease, and it's time to face that. Maybe we'll all get it 3 or 4 or 5 times until we build enough natural immunity to stop getting it. Or maybe we'll all get it once a year like the common cold. Either way, it just doesn't scare me, especially after getting it the last time. Most colds I've ever had were worse. Well the level of intensity of sickness was comparable, but colds usually linger longer. If it was still like alpha or delta, I might feel differently. I'd rather roll the dice with getting omicron again than I would with getting a vaccine which I don't believe is going to hurt me, but which I really don't know for sure, nor do I know about down the line, Again. I don't think I'm gonna drop dead but over time, the picture is looking less pretty to me. Its looking more and more like a cash grab. And I really do wish I wasn't saying this right now.

I've decided to say fuck it, we have a new yearly virus. Used to be colds and flu, now it's colds, flu, and covid. So I'm going to continue to wash my hands and be conscious, if someone wants me to wear a mask, I have no problem with that at all, but I basically act like I always have during flu season.

Foreigner said:
Have any of you seen that Netflix movie Kumare? About the guy who pretended to be a guru and made a documentary about it? Well (SPOILER ALERT), at the end of the movie when he revealed himself to his group of followers, the majority of them did snap out of it immediately. Some were angry for being misled. Some were grateful for the lessons. On the whole, most people accepted that this was a well constructed sham. However, a small number of people still saw him as a guru. Nothing would change their minds. In the post-doc interviews, some even said things like (I'm paraphrasing), "Even though HE says he's not a guru, God has clearly made him a guru to teach us." They still have icons of him in their homes and everything.
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That was a great movie, super interesting. I hadn't thought about that for a while, thanks.

Foreigner said:
I was immune compromised for 4 of the past 10 years. You know what I did? I hid in my home and if I was going to go somewhere I planned my activities very carefully. When cold/flu season came, I couldn't have visitors in my home. I avoided public contacts. I took responsibility for the fact that I was immune compromised due to the drugs I was on. Do you think I started an awareness campaign telling everyone to go get a flu shot? NO. People are not responsible for getting injections to keep ME safe. That is my job. And that has always been pandemic policy... quarantine the vulnerable. I knew from day one when they wanted to quarantine the healthy that something was seriously wrong.
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Good point. That's how people have always treated flu season in the past, even really bad ones. I'm thinking about the bird flu and swine flu scares. How many people even changed anything about how they went about their lives? I didn't, other than washing my hands and staying away from people who looked sick. I would have quarantined myself if I got sick. Immunocompromised people surely changed their behavior. And everyone was fine with that setup.

I supported it all at the beginning. It was a new and frightening disease. People were dying. I lost an aunt and cousin to alpha (or maybe delta). We didn't know how it was going to play out. Now we're 2+ years in, and things have changed, a lot.
 
Xorkoth said:
Good point. That's how people have always treated flu season in the past, even really bad ones. I'm thinking about the bird flu and swine flu scares. How many people even changed anything about how they went about their lives? I didn't, other than washing my hands and staying away from people who looked sick. I would have quarantined myself if I got sick. Immunocompromised people surely changed their behavior. And everyone was fine with that setup.

I supported it all at the beginning. It was a new and frightening disease. People were dying. I lost an aunt and cousin to alpha (or maybe delta). We didn't know how it was going to play out. Now we're 2+ years in, and things have changed, a lot.
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I understand that in the beginning there was a lot of fear and uncertainty on the ground level. The people I'm mostly blaming are the ones in charge, although I am also angry at the blind stupidity and obedience of the pubic, especially how they turned so quickly to hating dissenters when instructed to do so. As for policy makers, they withheld viable treatments and banned others while waiting for their profitable one-solution to be produced. It was criminal. Millions of people needlessly died worldwide. If you went to the hospital with severe covid, they just put you on a ventilator and hoped for the best. Totally barbaric. Meanwhile elementary treatments like high dose vitamin D, zinc, and quercetin were knowingly withheld despite solid evidence that these worked wonders on SARS and MERS, which are both related to covid.

Then when the one-solution arrived, they mass-coerced the world to take it under threat of mandate: loss of community participation, employment and income, school, medical care, all of it, if you failed to comply. Meanwhile the Pfizer data was withheld from the public, data that the governments saw and KNEW showed a >1% severe ADR rate. They called people who raised valid red flags anti-vaxxers. A lot of medical people sounded the alarm about myocarditis early on and they lost their jobs and licenses. They were deplatformed. AFAIK those people have not been re-hired or vindicated, even though they were right.

I have no idea on god's green earth why there isn't a mass uprising right now in response to this. Fauci just resigned, HINT HINT... he is running for the hills because he knows big shit is about to hit the fan. The UK just unapproved the vax for pregnant and breastfeeding women after over a year of coercing them to get it; and they don't recommend the shot for <5y/o anymore. The narrative is crumbling and the general public is just la dee da about it. It's not "sudden adult death syndrome" FFS... people are dropping like flies from this fucking shot that has no long-term safety data.

I get that the public was afraid, but that excuse doesn't fly with the government. They blatantly lied, blatantly. They knowingly foisted a one-solution on the public that may very well have genocidal consequences, and I don't use that word lightly. The Pfizer data shows that the severe ADR rate is more common than severe covid itself. It means more people are being maimed and/or killed somehow by the vaccine than the virus is killing, but it's all being swept under the rug or dismissed as "sudden adult death syndrome." And that Pfizer data is still only based on a short-term trial. There is no long-term data yet, and there likely won't be because the drug companies are now mixing covid boosters with the flu vaccine, so it's impossible to accurately track shit. This is intentional so that they can create plausible deniability.

Pfizer lost the biggest tort lawsuit in history for killing people with a faulty drug. This isn't a fucking conspiracy anymore. It's not January 2021. We have data now, for god's sake.
 
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before i leave my last thing i wanted to say. covid was the fucking hoax of the century and the bullshit jabs everybody getting. I Don't know anybody who has died of covid and i know shit loads of people. I know people who die of the FLU. Covid fucking zero
 
Xorkoth said:
If someone can convince me that the 8 mouse thing is fake news or something,
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what I heard is that this booster is fundamentally the same as the one we've already had (that has been tested on humans), but with a few key modifications to make it more effective against the current variants. So I guess it isn't new enough chemically to require a new round of human tests.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
Goes both ways my dude, you guys label what Fauci says as misinformation, or more accurately disinformation.
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I label him a conniving, Jesuit trained snake, cunt rat. But seriously, 'misinformation' is just another one of these politically correct terms that brings nothing to the table except division and confusion. It is poison in itself. There is information, and the ability to evaluate. The more information we bring to the table the merrier as it allows us to triangulate the truth (and who might be lying). Only liars want information moderated.. it's only the establishment that is pushing for it, surprise surprise.
Las Veghost grower said:
At least most people on this site have come around, I remember back when the vax first came out there was only a couple of us that were openly against it, now it seems to be the other way around, only a handful of people clinging to the vax, that gives me a sliver of hope for humanity
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Assuming there isn't some nanotechnology in these concoctions that is slowly constructing antenna inside the body/brain, ready to receive external input at some future point. Sounds ridiculous, but honestly it really would not surprise me if it were true at this point. Given the great reset is clearly moving forward I can't see how they can force people to accept it, unless either masses die off or they can forcibly manipulate the mind (especially for military personnel).
Xorkoth said:
Good point. That's how people have always treated flu season in the past, even really bad ones. I'm thinking about the bird flu and swine flu scares. How many people even changed anything about how they went about their lives? I didn't, other than washing my hands and staying away from people who looked sick. I would have quarantined myself if I got sick. Immunocompromised people surely changed their behavior. And everyone was fine with that setup.
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Look up the city of Leicester in the UK and smallpox.
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Atleast most people on this site have come around, I remember back when the vax first came out there was only a couple of us that were openly against it, now it seems to be the other way around, only a handful of people clinging to the vax, that gives me a sliver of hope for humanity
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but the momentum swings back and forth from pro-vaxx to anti-vaxx were fun back then

sometimes i'd walk in the wrong time and get swarmed by pro-vaxxers and i'd have to come back later :)
 
TripSitterNZ said:
before i leave my last thing i wanted to say. covid was the fucking hoax of the century and the bullshit jabs everybody getting. I Don't know anybody who has died of covid and i know shit loads of people. I know people who die of the FLU. Covid fucking zero
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Personally I know 4 people who died of the first round of covid... one was a healthy 45 year old (cousin in law of mine). Never had anyone die of the flu that I know. That being said, I know of no one who has died from omicron, which is what covid is now.

Thankfully I also don't know of anyone who has died of the vaccine, or really even had any sort of significant side effects. But it's getting hard to dismiss some of the stuff I'm hearing so no more boosters for me. Even my girlfriend, who was so scared it semi-ruined my life for a while, is wary of the new booster and told me yesterday that she isn't planning to get it, and is accepting that I will probably get omicron again, and that it just doesn't seem like a big deal. I was surprised that she said that, and really glad, because I thought she was going to try to convince me to get it and I was going to have to consider lying about it because I really don't want to get any more shots.
 
Even first wave COVID I know alot of people who got it, and only my mom and maybe 2 other people got really sick, like scary sick but bounced back in like a week or 2, everyone els was a couple days of a head cold, and I know a lot of 60/70+
 
mal3volent said:
what I heard is that this booster is fundamentally the same as the one we've already had (that has been tested on humans), but with a few key modifications to make it more effective against the current variants. So I guess it isn't new enough chemically to require a new round of human tests.
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Here's a bit of a summary. I don't know where the specific number of eight mice comes from -- I would be sceptical of that number unless shown a legitimate source for it* -- but the FDA is indeed allowing the BA.4/BA.5 booster shots on the market without additional human trials having been completed (although they are ongoing). It seems that this is comparable to how new flu vaccines are approved, if the modifications are minor enough.

*EDIT: eight mice indeed, specifically for the Pfizer booster.
 
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The media has my 70 year old mother traumatized. She lives in a remote small town and rarely leaves her house. The news there report the deaths every dam day. I feel bad for those people, old and believe the government.
 
Jennn said:
The media has my 70 year old mother traumatized. She lives in a remote small town and rarely leaves her house. The news there report the deaths every dam day. I feel bad for those people, old and believe the government.
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At this point in time I don’t know how anybody can trust the government…from the media & elections themself and domestic lobbyists to foreign interest it just seems like trusting the government these days is setting yourself up to be fooled, however at 70 she is more vulnerable than a younger person , but I think that goes for most viruses/colds/flus, I would understand if she wanted to get vaccinated being in a high risk age group, but for children and 30/40ish people it’s just so stupid
 
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Xorkoth said:
Personally I know 4 people who died of the first round of covid... one was a healthy 45 year old (cousin in law of mine). Never had anyone die of the flu that I know. That being said, I know of no one who has died from omicron, which is what covid is now.

Thankfully I also don't know of anyone who has died of the vaccine, or really even had any sort of significant side effects. But it's getting hard to dismiss some of the stuff I'm hearing so no more boosters for me. Even my girlfriend, who was so scared it semi-ruined my life for a while, is wary of the new booster and told me yesterday that she isn't planning to get it, and is accepting that I will probably get omicron again, and that it just doesn't seem like a big deal. I was surprised that she said that, and really glad, because I thought she was going to try to convince me to get it and I was going to have to consider lying about it because I really don't want to get any more shots.
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Man one of my good buddies got hashimottos from the vaccine. Would have died had he not figured it out on his own. The doctors said it was either from Vaccine or Covid lol. I know folx that have gotten lupus, and other immunological disorders. Can’t prove it, but I know two people who’s cancer came back right after the shot.
 
Dropperneck said:
Can’t prove it, but I know two people who’s cancer came back right after the shot.
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"before and 28 days after the first inoculation also revealed consistent alterations in gene expression of many different immune cell types. Reduction of CD8+ T cells and increase in classic monocyte contents were exemplary"

That's a cancer fighting cell

www.nature.com

Comprehensive investigations revealed consistent pathophysiological alterations after vaccination with COVID-19 vaccines - Cell Discovery

Large-scale COVID-19 vaccinations are currently underway in many countries in response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Here, we report, besides generation of neutralizing antibodies, consistent alterations in hemoglobin A1c, serum sodium and potassium levels, coagulation profiles, and renal functions...
www.nature.com www.nature.com
 
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