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The Dive's Covid Thread

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bird.is.the.word said:
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I love all space stuff, but I'm not a subscriber to the religion of science. We don't know much about space, like you said. Some people assume that the smartest people on the planet can accurately guess how the world works. I'm sceptical when it comes to dark matter. I'm also sceptical when it comes to people using the word debunk. I don't 100% know that viruses exist but I do believe that something that behaves like a parasite is transmitted from host to host and we refer to those events as viral. Suggesting that herpes is potentially caused by a completely ignores the observable chain of events that occurs when people transmit - for example - chickenpox to each other. For someone who can articulate your point so well, it baffles me that you maintain such a blind spot. But, then, it's all a matter of perspective. Perhaps you are right. I try to be open minded about all things and consider all ideas no matter how absurd. This one isn't particularly absurd. I'm not sure what your position is exactly, honestly. I'd have to go through a dozen or so different viruses and talk about transmission and contact tracing and stuff and my assumption is you're not going to budge so why bother?

At first I thought you meant viruses actually don't exist. Not that they aren't viruses but that there's nothing actually there. Now, it seems, you're saying that some of them don't exist and some of them exist but are not viruses... So far, you've failed to explain how you know they aren't viruses when you don't know what they are. We need a word for them, right? Virus is as good a word as any.
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Kinda my take away, I guess he dosent like the word virus ? Let’s call them schmecklez
 
bird.is.the.word said:
I don't 100% know that viruses exist but I do believe that something that behaves like a parasite is transmitted from host to host and we refer to those events as viral. Suggesting that herpes is potentially caused by a completely ignores the observable chain of events that occurs when people transmit - for example - chickenpox to each other. For someone who can articulate your point so well, it baffles me that you maintain such a blind spot. But, then, it's all a matter of perspective. Perhaps you are right. I try to be open minded about all things and consider all ideas no matter how absurd. This one isn't particularly absurd. I'm not sure what your position is exactly, honestly. I'd have to go through a dozen or so different viruses and talk about transmission and contact tracing and stuff and my assumption is you're not going to budge so why bother?
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This is the key point. It comes down to belief, instilled through our education system, and not from actual demonstrable proof. None of us have ascertained the validity viruses directly. We just can't. However, when person A appears ill and then person B becomes ill will similar symptoms we make the reasonable conclusion that person A has given something to person B, which appears to validate the concept we have about viruses. But at no point was anything actually proven in that scenario, we just jump to the forgone conclusion in our mind. It is entirely possible that there was a common factor in the environment that caused illness in both A and B for example, with no transmission at all.

Just because we observe people coming down with similar symptoms doesn't prove transmission. We assume it, and it's a fairly reasonable assumption to make, but that's not the same as proof.

bird.is.the.word said:
At first I thought you meant viruses actually don't exist. Not that they aren't viruses but that there's nothing actually there. Now, it seems, you're saying that some of them don't exist and some of them exist but are not viruses... So far, you've failed to explain how you know they aren't viruses when you don't know what they are. We need a word for them, right? Virus is as good a word as any.
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Viruses as a concept don't exist. There aren't nano-scale 'not living nor dead' capsules of genetic material passing from one organism to another, infecting cells and replicating. However, there may be nano-scale particles that are being mistaken as viruses which are actually something else e.g. extra-cellular vesicles. I've pointed out before that even among experts they acknowledge the high degree of similarity between viral particles and EV's. When you look into how viral isolation methodology works it's clear that there's a tremendous amount of molecular debris due to cell stress/death in cell cultures, and given the difficulty of extracting and imaging such material as already stated it then also becomes clear how easily misidentification could happen.

The actual evidence for proof of the existence of viruses is weak. I have already provided the original study authors responses regarding SARS-NCov2 purification and imaging, where they all admit the same thing. If there is actually no tangible proof that SARS-Ncov exists then we can't just assume that it does based on 'person X got ill with vague flu like symptoms'.
 
Does love exist?
Schmecklez!

“Did my heart love schmeckle till now? forswear it, sight! For I ne'er saw true beauty till this night.” “For never was a story of more woe than this of Juliet and her Romeo.”
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Are mental illnesses real?
Schmecklez!

If you talk to God, you are praying; If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia schmecklez.
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The survival rate is around 99.9% for young healthy adults.
I don't think @someguy said a 90 year old has a 99% survival rate?

The overall death rate from covid-19 has been estimated at 0.66%, rising sharply to 7.8% in people aged over 80 and declining to 0.0016% in children aged 9 and under.1
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So, the actual survival rate is 99.34% (very close to 99.9%)... and children have a survival rate of 99.9984%.

www.bmj.com

Covid-19: death rate is 0.66% and increases with age, study estimates

The overall death rate from covid-19 has been estimated at 0.66%, rising sharply to 7.8% in people aged over 80 and declining to 0.0016% in children aged 9 and under.1 The estimates, calculated by researchers in the UK, used aggregate data on cases and deaths in mainland China. Unlike other...
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Vaccinating children to "protect" them is criminal.
 
bird.is.the.word said:
I don't think @someguy said a 90 year old has a 99% survival rate?
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Yeah, I'm really just referring to the people that throw around 99.9% so casually, because if you look at the data it's people around their age where covid's death rate is much understated by them. It's higher than I thought in people ages 35-54.

bird.is.the.word said:
Vaccinating children to "protect" them is criminal.
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I really have no idea why they're pushing that so hard. Probably just pharma companies trying to maximize profits.
 
I think that chart is very valuable as it puts a number like 0.5% in perspective. It might seem quite small on the face of it, but when you compare it to other death rates it's telling.

Some people are getting covid 2-3x per year. After a few years, that cumulative 0.5% threat adds up. 5% is a lot more scary than 0.5%.
 
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I don't find 99.9% to be a particularly outrageous statement when the actual survival rate is 99.34%. That error of margin is perfectly acceptable for casual conversation. It's not misleading. It's ballpark.

The truth is: this virus just isn't very dangerous.

I know someone who is over 100 who got it and was fine plus a dozen severely disabled people who all just had a sniffle. The vast majority of people are fine.

The average life expectancy in Australia after moving in to a retirement home is 6 months, so we can (safely) assume that most of the people who died didn't have very long to live anyway.

This was all a mistake.
 
My niece just tested positive for COVID, she was all freaked out cause of all the shits she’s heard over the years so I told her to cough in my face and lick my hand then I licked the same spot, fucking COVID
 
@bird.is.the.word you're right, but I often think about people who do not have health insurance (many millions of Americans)

even if you survive covid you're now a million dollars in debt from that fancy darth vader mask they put on you

Mr. Krinkle said:
and that's no big deal to you right? no red flag there?

:shrug:
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Pharma companies maximizing profits above all else?

Not very shocking... they've been doing it for decades.

I do not follow that logic through to think there is something particularly dangerous about the vaccine, or that it's somehow worse than covid itself.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
it's not? what do you mean?

the more lottery tickets I buy the more overall odds I have to win $5 off a scratcher over that period of time
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There is a small group of people who are completely immune to HIV. For the general population, you can say the survival rate is 0.X% but that has no bearing on these individuals. It doesn't matter how many times they are exposed to the virus. Statistics are just statistics.
 
bird.is.the.word said:
There is a small group of people who are completely immune to HIV.
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Curiously I just watched a documentary about that. The people who survived the bubonic plague in EU were people who had a specific genetic mutation. This mutation was passed down over the centuries and is the same gene that gives immunity to HIV/AIDS.
 
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