The Dive's Covid Thread

[-=SS=-]

can you see gravity @-=SS=- ?

i can't - i can only see its effects - therefore gravity doesn't exist?

I bet you think that was pretty clever. Once again contributing the square root of nothing to the discussion.

We're talking about organic biology, organic matter, and not invisible forces.

 

[nznity]

I ain't getting vaxxed again, ivermectin is errthing.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I bet you think that was pretty clever. Once again contributing the square root of nothing to the discussion.

We're talking about organic biology, organic matter, and not invisible forces.

There are a lot of physical, organic things which are invisible to humans

 

[alasdairm]

indeed.

alasdair

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

If your dawg got 3 rabies shots and then he caught rabies 6 months later, would you ask the vet what went wrong?

"That's not how the vaccines work..."

"...but take this new anti-viral medication just in case - side effects include suicidal thoughts so try not to kill yourself"

 

[-=SS=-]

There are a lot of physical, organic things which are invisible to humans

Invisible to the eye perhaps, but still measurable and quantifiable. Come on, you know he was being a disingenuous plum by injecting that nonsense into the discussion.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Invisible to the eye perhaps, but still measurable and quantifiable. Come on, you know he was being a disingenuous plum by injecting that nonsense into the discussion.

gravity is measurable and quantifiable...

 

[-=SS=-]

gravity is measurable and quantifiable...

You know what I meant. It is abstract, it isn't measurable in itself i.e. it has no dimensions or mass, and can only be measured in relation to something that does. That's why it's a force, a principle.

Organic matter, biological stuff, has dimension and mass. The original point, "Being able to see something isn't always the best way to determine that it exists.", is nonsensical because it should be visible by definition and you can't just rely on inferred causation/correlation to prove its existence.

And when it comes to looking at viral particles under electron microscopy.. well, it is ridiculously unconvincing to say the least. Even the experts recognize that. Again, due to the size and the way the materials have to be prepared - you can't see these particles 'live' like you can with bacteria.

 

[Jabberwocky]

And when it comes to looking at viral particles under electron microscopy.. well, it is ridiculously unconvincing to say the least. Even the experts recognize that. Again, due to the size and the way the materials have to be prepared - you can't see these particles 'live' like you can with bacteria.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

They take videos of atoms organizing themselves... and you're suggesting they cant see viruses very well?

You have some very strange ideas, sir.

 

[Bagseed]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

They take videos of atoms organizing themselves... and you're suggesting they cant see viruses very well?

You have some very strange ideas, sir.

well maybe atoms don't exist either since ss doesn't have electron microscopy at his disposal?

 

[-=SS=-]

...and you're suggesting they cant see viruses very well?

Exactly. Look it up.

The only way you can see viral particles is with an electron microscope, because they are so small..
And in order to do that you have to prepare them in a special way, because you are bombarding them with electrons..
And in in order to prepare them you first need a purified sample, which in itself presents a massive problem (again due to their size) with centrifugation methods..
..and the fact that in order to generate that sample you need to culture them first, which as a methodology itself is riddled with problems.

You can't just bung some material under a light microscope and see viruses swimming about like you can with bacteria. All we can get is electron microscope images where are static, black and white, fuzzy images of things they claim to be viruses that look suspiciously similar to other molecular particles e.g. extra-cellular vesicles.

In the case of Sars-NCov-2, all the original study authors openly admit they did not have purified sample for imaging. They are literally conceding their imaging is complete shambles and therefore because not one of them has provided actual demonstrable proof the entire thing in my estimation is complete bollocks, and they know it:

There's a reason why the mainstream media use glossy CGI representations for viruses.

 

[bird.is.the.word]

You didn't answer the question. What is herpes if not a virus? Something is spreading from host to host, right?

@-=SS=-

 

[Electrum1]

Covid infects nerds. Just stop being nerds. Problem solved

 

[-=SS=-]

You didn't answer the question. What is herpes if not a virus? Something is spreading from host to host, right?

I have no idea what it is. It could be a parasitical infection we don't about. A deficiency of something. Modern environmental toxin or compound that some people respond to. Something else entirely.

I was with someone for awhile who had oral herpes with frequent outbreaks and I never caught it from them. Also being the stupid idiot I was when I was younger not once did I ever use protection either.. and yet still never caught anything (despite some of my partners being notorious whores). I know I'm not the only one who has somehow miraculously never caught anything when they really should have, and even with regular illnesses I never get anything.. even when I worked in London, on the tube for hours, in the office surrounded by manky ill people, or the years I worked in a hospital. I never got anything when really I should have.

Even more remarkable than all of that is somehow I haven't gotten covid, despite it being a supposedly novel virus for which I should have no natural protection (given I don't get regular coronavirus 'colds' either!), despite associating with someone every week who works in a fucking school absolutely riddled with it. It's nonsense. By all logic I should have been ill by now with it. Even the MSM claims everyone has had exposure to it.

 

[Electrum1]

Wonder what's causing a shortage in Australia of shots that dissolve blood clots

 

[bird.is.the.word]

I have no idea what it is.

Then how do you know it's not a virus?

It could be a parasitical infection we don't about. A deficiency of something. Modern environmental toxin or compound that some people respond to. Something else entirely.

So you're open to herpes being anything other than a virus?

(Viruses are parasites.)

I was with someone for awhile who had oral herpes with frequent outbreaks and I never caught it from them.

Most oral herpes is asymptomatic. I had my first outbreak (small cold sore on my lip) about two weeks ago. I probably contracted it over a decade ago. Most people are never symptomatic. Most people have HSV-1. Something like 80%.

So, your anecdote means nothing.

Even more remarkable than all of that is somehow I haven't gotten covid,

Considering your history with illnesses, I'm going to assume you have an extremely strong immune system. You probably got COVID and didn't notice. Same with herpes.

You know what I meant. It is abstract, it isn't measurable in itself i.e. it has no dimensions or mass, and can only be measured in relation to something that does. That's why it's a force, a principle.

What about dark matter?

 

[Xorkoth]

Even more remarkable than all of that is somehow I haven't gotten covid, despite it being a supposedly novel virus for which I should have no natural protection (given I don't get regular coronavirus 'colds' either!), despite associating with someone every week who works in a fucking school absolutely riddled with it. It's nonsense. By all logic I should have been ill by now with it. Even the MSM claims everyone has had exposure to it.

Some people are lucky and don't get covid. My girlfriend is one of those (despite being deathly afraid of it to the point of it dictating her life for many stretches of the last 2 years). I've gotten it twice and we live together, she never caught it. She also never caught it when her work colleagues had it and she was exposed. She's also been triple vaxxed and is going to get the 4th one as soon as she can - I mention this to offer a counter to this idea that has become very prevalent that the vaccine is causing people to get covid). She also very rarely gets cold.

But that's not evidence of anything besides her having a strong immune system. What is your blood type? Apparently people with blood type O have a far lower chance of getting covid, and it tends t be far milder if they do get it.

 

[bird.is.the.word]

@Xorkoth

How do you know she didn't get COVID?

I'm O negative, triple-vaxxed and I've had COVID at least twice. The second time I got it, I literally had symptoms for 24 hours. If I didn't RAT test myself within that 24 hour period, I wouldn't have known that I had it.

 

[-=SS=-]

Then how do you know it's not a virus? So you're open to herpes being anything other than a virus?

Given I believe the entire concept of a virus is unsubstantiated by scientific method then it can't be a virus and has to be caused by something else.

What about dark matter?

Bullshit also, and a great parallel example of the same mistake that has been made but at the other end of the scale. Like viruses, when it comes to space we haven't been physically beyond our solar system, we can't perform direct experimentation on things as such, we can only observe through machines things at incredible scale and distance. In astrophysics and cosmology there is a tremendous amount of abstract projection using mathematics, which is a massive disconnect from reality and an open door for making mistakes.

Dark matter specifically is nothing more than mathematical gibberish that plugs up the failed equations that are required to explain what we see in space, like galaxy rotation. Without dark matter the equations don't work and it would necessitate revising all our theories. Rather than admit that, they created this untestable, unmeasurable substance that holds everything together instead.

Only someone who is completely in love with 'the science' can fail to see how blindingly obvious a fraud dark matter is. And it's only one of a whole list of objects/forces in astrophysics and cosmology that are completely batshit ridiculous.

To explain away dark matter, gravity would have to be really weird, cosmologists say - Science.org

Dark matter, the invisible stuff whose gravity is thought to hold galaxies together, may be the least satisfying concept in physics. But if you want to get rid of it, a new study finds, you'll need to replace it with something even more bizarre: a force of gravity that, at some distances, pulls massive objects together and, at other distances, pushes them apart. The analysis underscores how hard it is to explain away dark matter.

See? Rather than admit the entire paradigm is wrong, that gravity isn't the be all end all of the Universe, the only option that is considered is making an even more ludicrous extension of existing theory. It's so obvious. If you read these kinds of articles and statements from the 'experts' in the field you'll see this mental gymnastics all the time. It's fucking embarrassing.

 

[bird.is.the.word]

Given I believe the entire concept of a virus is unsubstantiated by scientific method then it can't be a virus and has to be caused by something else.

So pre-science did nothing exist?

I hear you with the dark matter stuff. I've thought that before also... but I don't know it doesn't exist simply because I can't measure it. It might exist. It might not. COVID might be a virus. You don't know it isn't.

has to be caused by something else

Prior to something being substantiated by the scientific method, it is impossible?

Humans don't know everything.