The Dive's Covid Thread

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Oh for fucks sake

If it's any consolation they probably killed those mice by the method rather than the witches brew itself. Can't find anything about their methodology, but it seems to be a really common theme in viral research that when 'testing' on animals they use ridiculous volumes of a sample and introduce it into the test animal brutally, which all but guarantees death. It's not like they wait for a mouse to get the sniffles and then put him next to another one..

I remember reading about the prion research where they injected their concoction straight into the brains of the test animals. Like what the fuck do you think is going to happen injecting random shit into brains? Fucking ridiculous. The supposed pathway is ingestion, not stabbing the cranium with a big fucking syringe.

This is all a mirage. Like priests supposedly dealing with demons, they offer nothing except fear and demand your obedience to the doctrine without proof.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Boston University COVID researchers combine omicron spike protein with original virus, test strain on mice​

Rick Sobey, Boston Herald


Boston University COVID researchers have combined the omicron variant spike protein with the original virus, testing the created strain on mice “to help fight against future pandemics,” according to BU.

The scientists in BU’s National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratories found that all mice infected with only the BA.1 omicron variant had mild cases and survived, while the combined omicron spike protein with original COVID-19 virus strain inflicted severe disease with an 80% mortality rate.

When mice were infected with just the original, ancestral virus strain, 100% of the mice died.

“First, this research is not gain-of-function research, meaning it did not amplify the Washington state SARS-COV-2 virus strain (original virus from 2020) or make it more dangerous,” BU said in a statement following online reports that the university called “false and inaccurate.”

“In fact, this research made the virus replicate less dangerous,” the university added.

This study provides important insights into omicron’s ability to cause disease, according to the researchers.


“Consistent with studies published by others, this work shows that it is not the spike protein that drives Omicron pathogenicity, but instead other viral proteins,” said lead study author Mohsan Saeed.

“Determination of those proteins will lead to better diagnostics and disease management strategies,” Saeed said.

 

[Electrum1]

Here's the study for that

Role of spike in the pathogenic and antigenic behavior of SARS-CoV-2 BA.1 Omicron

The recently identified, globally predominant SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant (BA.1) is highly transmissible, even in fully vaccinated individuals, and causes attenuated disease compared with other major viral variants recognized to date[1][1]–[7][2]. The Omicron spike (S) protein, with an unusually...

www.biorxiv.org

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

so the og strain killed all the mice - the og strain crossed with omicron only killed 80% of them

 

[thujone]

It still amuses me that if I post an anti-covid youtube comment their algorithms can screen and auto-delete it within 30 seconds. Any key phrases, such as 'there is no virus', or harm related words surrounding 'vaccine/jab', or simply 'it's all lies'.

But their algorithms just mysteriously fail with all the cookie cutter porn link spam comments and the 30+ message crypto bot message threads on every fucking video.

there are unicode characters that look like ascii (english) letters, throw some of those in there and it might breeze through the filters.

on another note, it's funny how common shingles has become recently eh? whatever happened to monkeypox, i wonder...

 

[hylite]

hay baby what happened to yer flag. that's harrifying.

 

[Electrum1]

Wonder if we ever reach a level where there's so much public backlash that people pushing this stuff get dragged out into the street by a violent mob

 

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there are unicode characters that look like ascii (english) letters, throw some of those in there and it might breeze through the filters.

on another note, it's funny how common shingles has become recently eh? whatever happened to monkeypox, i wonder...

Yeah I mash it up with spaces, numbers, symbols, slang. Just irritating that all these porno links and crypto spam threads are fine and dandy, and my little old opinion is verboten.

Wonder if we ever reach a level where there's so much public backlash that people pushing this stuff get dragged out into the street by a violent mob

The CDC are an absolute disgrace.

 

[Droppersneck]

I don’t know about you guys, but I still often wake up, and thank god I’m a blood. Just ran a bunch of miles pretty easily, not taking anything for granted anymore.

 

[Electrum1]

I don’t know about you guys, but I still often wake up, and thank god I’m a blood.

 

[Droppersneck]

Lmao forgot the pure part

 

[Xorkoth]

Sigh... my girlfriend is starting to freak out about covid again. She just asked me to basically not do anything outside of the house from January to the end of April so that she doesn't get covid (apparently she's still convinced she will most likely get "long covid" and have even more health problems). I asked her if she is ever going to stop being afraid because it's not going anywhere... she replied with "I'm not living in fear, I just am trying to be an adult and watch out for my health. it's just a few months every year where you don't go play shows and hang out indoors with your friends". yeah... 4 months. 1/3 of my fucking life. I got really upset and couldn't figure out how to articulate my thoughts so I ended up telling her that last year I had huge amounts of resentment for her over this same thing and I almost broke up with her and I'm afraid of what will happen if I am subjected to this kind of attempt at control again. She basically had a panic attack at the idea that I had almost broken up with her and started saying about how she wishes I understood, that she's just afraid for her health, because she has chronic inflammation stuff (most notably endometriosis). I do understand, but I can't live my life like that. I thought she had finally calmed down, she even told me she wasn't going to get another booster. I bet she started reading scare articles again.

I ended up saying let's compromise, and whenever I "recklessly expose myself", we act like I caught it for a few days and I hang out in my room and she hangs out in her room, that way she won't be at risk of getting it. Of course, every time I've gotten it, she hasn't, despite us coexisting in the same space before my symptoms started.

I don't even know, man. How are people actually prepared to live the rest of their lives restricting themselves from life because of this dumb virus? I get it, she's terrified. But it's starting to piss me off that there is still so much fear out there. This isn't 2020, we're dealing with a virus that is like a cold for most people. Time to move the fuck on, already.... jfc

 

[Electrum1]

Damn man, some shit just had to fkn happen to dampen the big gain you just got. Wtf

 

[Xorkoth]

Covid strikes again. I've had it twice and the only real negative effect it's had on my life is living with someone who is unreasonably scared of it.

 

[Fire&Water]

Covid strikes again. I've had it twice and the only real negative effect it's had on my life is living with someone who is unreasonably scared of it.

Sorry brother
if its any consolation
theres millions that our govt made feel the same way

 

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I ended up saying let's compromise, and whenever I "recklessly expose myself", we act like I caught it for a few days and I hang out in my room and she hangs out in her room, that way she won't be at risk of getting it. Of course, every time I've gotten it, she hasn't, despite us coexisting in the same space before my symptoms started.

I don't even know, man. How are people actually prepared to live the rest of their lives restricting themselves from life because of this dumb virus? I get it, she's terrified. But it's starting to piss me off that there is still so much fear out there. This isn't 2020, we're dealing with a virus that is like a cold for most people. Time to move the fuck on, already.... jfc

Tough call brother. Personally I would not give an inch on this, because from my perspective you can never enable the delusions of other people as that only strengthens them. You have to rip the plaster off. Which means either walk away (obviously not that simple) or find the right words to break the spell they're under, which is easier said than done.

My father is still going to get his booster (4, 5?) despite my attempts to alert him to the potential danger of them. I don't think even breaking down in front of him would sway him unfortunately. It's so deeply rooted in his mind, like many people, because obviously it's not just covid, the vaccine, but the whole 'science' that underpins it.. to challenge it is just beyond some people's capacity unfortunately. "I'll take any jab I can get" is his philosophy . I keep chipping away, by pointing out the contradictions and absurdities which I think is the best approach, rather than trying to force feed information. Get them to realize on their own by planting seeds and breadcrumbs that they can follow. It's manipulation, but they were manipulated into this delusion in the first place so..

If she's worried about her health then the greatest contradiction is stressing over this nonsense in the first place, which is more likely to make her ill than anything else! Unfortunately it's far easier to concede to fear than it is to have faith in your body and the fact you'll die at some point anyway, especially if you feel like your body has let you down already.

How to break the spell of fear and encourage faith. Sorry man, I feel your frustration.

EDIT: Tangent, but you might find the words of Dr Black Philip (Patrice ONeal) inspiring. His righteous attitude and philosophy towards women, admittedly used in a different context, is still applicable because ultimately it is about your happiness and the truth. He would probably take the position that you have to be prepared to take the loss on this if she is truly not going to sway, and holding that frame and using strong logic/language might actually focus her mind a bit. Certainly it would be more favourable to an outcome you want than just kneeling before her delusions.

 

[Droppersneck]

Sigh... my girlfriend is starting to freak out about covid again. She just asked me to basically not do anything outside of the house from January to the end of April so that she doesn't get covid (apparently she's still convinced she will most likely get "long covid" and have even more health problems). I asked her if she is ever going to stop being afraid because it's not going anywhere... she replied with "I'm not living in fear, I just am trying to be an adult and watch out for my health. it's just a few months every year where you don't go play shows and hang out indoors with your friends". yeah... 4 months. 1/3 of my fucking life. I got really upset and couldn't figure out how to articulate my thoughts so I ended up telling her that last year I had huge amounts of resentment for her over this same thing and I almost broke up with her and I'm afraid of what will happen if I am subjected to this kind of attempt at control again. She basically had a panic attack at the idea that I had almost broken up with her and started saying about how she wishes I understood, that she's just afraid for her health, because she has chronic inflammation stuff (most notably endometriosis). I do understand, but I can't live my life like that. I thought she had finally calmed down, she even told me she wasn't going to get another booster. I bet she started reading scare articles again.

I ended up saying let's compromise, and whenever I "recklessly expose myself", we act like I caught it for a few days and I hang out in my room and she hangs out in her room, that way she won't be at risk of getting it. Of course, every time I've gotten it, she hasn't, despite us coexisting in the same space before my symptoms started.

I don't even know, man. How are people actually prepared to live the rest of their lives restricting themselves from life because of this dumb virus? I get it, she's terrified. But it's starting to piss me off that there is still so much fear out there. This isn't 2020, we're dealing with a virus that is like a cold for most people. Time to move the fuck on, already.... jfc

Sucks bc the more boosters she gets, the worse her immune system will get. And I have noticed on the TV and in state media they really ratcheted up the Covid propaganda. They were half attempting to get some of the election laws changed in key counties, but no one’s having it. You need to get in the habit of listening to and sharing the view of unsubverted scientists, that can give her a more realistic perspective. And for the love of god don’t let inject anymore experimental science juice lol

 

[Electrum1]

 

[Xorkoth]

Tough call brother. Personally I would not give an inch on this, because from my perspective you can never enable the delusions of other people as that only strengthens them. You have to rip the plaster off. Which means either walk away (obviously not that simple) or find the right words to break the spell they're under, which is easier said than done.

My father is still going to get his booster (4, 5?) despite my attempts to alert him to the potential danger of them. I don't think even breaking down in front of him would sway him unfortunately. It's so deeply rooted in his mind, like many people, because obviously it's not just covid, the vaccine, but the whole 'science' that underpins it.. to challenge it is just beyond some people's capacity unfortunately. "I'll take any jab I can get" is his philosophy . I keep chipping away, by pointing out the contradictions and absurdities which I think is the best approach, rather than trying to force feed information. Get them to realize on their own by planting seeds and breadcrumbs that they can follow. It's manipulation, but they were manipulated into this delusion in the first place so..

If she's worried about her health then the greatest contradiction is stressing over this nonsense in the first place, which is more likely to make her ill than anything else! Unfortunately it's far easier to concede to fear than it is to have faith in your body and the fact you'll die at some point anyway, especially if you feel like your body has let you down already.

How to break the spell of fear and encourage faith. Sorry man, I feel your frustration.

EDIT: Tangent, but you might find the words of Dr Black Philip (Patrice ONeal) inspiring. His righteous attitude and philosophy towards women, admittedly used in a different context, is still applicable because ultimately it is about your happiness and the truth. He would probably take the position that you have to be prepared to take the loss on this if she is truly not going to sway, and holding that frame and using strong logic/language might actually focus her mind a bit. Certainly it would be more favourable to an outcome you want than just kneeling before her delusions.

I appreciate the words, man. I don't want to walk away, we've been together over 7 years. Well, part of me does sometimes actually to be honest, but just because she has a lot of problems (childhood abuse and resulting depression/anxiety, and chronic health problems that are - clearly to me - the result of that). But she's really sweet and is always very good to me (literally always), she is a huge help to me and we get along great and have a loving relationship. I also don't want to abandon her because she doesn't have anyone else, her family is shit and she has a hard time getting close to people.

She agreed to the compromise of during those months, we stay in separate areas of the house when I've played a show indoors or whatever, for a few days until I either have it or it's been long enough that I don't for sure... annoying, but doable, and reasonable, considering how she feels. If she was going to double down and say no, you have to do what I say, I'd be saying goodbye, probably. I get that she's scared and thinks she's protecting me and her, but I have chosen not to live like that. Fortunately she's respecting that choice of mine, so I have to respect that she's made her choice, even if it makes me sad for her.

Sucks bc the more boosters she gets, the worse her immune system will get. And I have noticed on the TV and in state media they really ratcheted up the Covid propaganda. They were half attempting to get some of the election laws changed in key counties, but no one’s having it. You need to get in the habit of listening to and sharing the view of unsubverted scientists, that can give her a more realistic perspective. And for the love of god don’t let inject anymore experimental science juice lol

I brought up a while ago how the latest omicron booster was tested on 8 mice, and surprisingly, she said she also read that and thought it was sketchy and probably wouldn't get it. I don't know whether she still feels that way or not though. She's definitely not going to try to get me to take it, I know that. I was worried she would before that but then we talked about it and I told her I don't want to and she said she didn't either and that was fine. I just worry about when she gets scared because she starts searching the internet for articles and then scares the shit out of herself. It's happened both years of the pandemic in the winter so far.

Nothing I can do about it if she decides to do herself though. Neither of us has had any sort of negative reaction from any of them so far, so hopefully that will continue if she decides to keep getting them.

 

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I just worry about when she gets scared because she starts searching the internet for articles and then scares the shit out of herself. It's happened both years of the pandemic in the inter so far.

From the background impression you gave and then this quote it seems familiar to me, like I can remember and feel the same tendencies in one or two of my previous partners (both with troubled backgrounds). I think it's clear her history is still driving her psychology, still scratching that wound. Maybe the key then is trying to introduce more love, understanding, and security, towards those historic parts of her then, and pull out the root as opposed to treating the surface symptoms of her current behaviour towards covid.

Obviously it's not your job to play therapist, but you've invested a lot of time and energy into her and I think healing can be more effective and rapid if it comes from someone very close. Leverage the fact you can be physically close with her, especially given she obviously has negative memories relating to security. I believe there's all the benefits we know of and some we don't, regarding close contact. I had an experience with my first partner this way, naked cuddling and just letting her talk through some past trauma points. She went into some sort of emotional release, laughing and trembling. She slept like a baby and told me her mind was really calm until the following day, but long term it really helped her because it gave her that reference point of inner calm she could recall when needed.