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Iv already posted about the increase of athletes dropping , then you just say “drrr prove it’s the vaccine “ like I said you guys will not accept anything the pharma companies or government agencies don’t tell you, what’s going on is blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain
nepalnt21
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iiiii, never said anything, cause i didn't see that post.
where/ when?
link me, please.
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where/ when?
link me, please.
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Xorkoth
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You know there are areas of the site besides CEPS, right? And also threads that aren't about covid.
In any case, see you next time, if you're really leaving again. I'd be sad, except you always come back.
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jee, i guess that wasn't large enough for your viewing pleasure. would you like me to put it in bold?surely an immunologist wrote that definition, and didn't leave out a single detail or important context.
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anyway, @-=SS=- your claim of it being akin to a saline solution is more what i was going for (if you've got good evidence to present for that, please do) but i'll bite:
We’re Asking the Impossible of Vaccines
Complete protection against infection has long been hailed as the holy grail of vaccination. It might simply be unachievable.www.theatlantic.com
^^^ this article actually cites immunologists, vaccinologists, etc. etc.
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"...administered for the prevention, amelioration, or treatment of infectious and other diseases."
Vaccines - Medical Dictionary online-medical-dictionary.org
Learn about Vaccines at online-medical-dictionary.orgwww.online-medical-dictionary.org
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"...administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease"
Definition of VACCINE
a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease: such as… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
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"...used to boost your immune system and prevent serious, life-threatening diseases."
Vaccines - immunizations: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
Vaccines are used to boost your immune system and prevent the risk of infection and the severity of infections, including those that cause serious, life-threatening diseases.medlineplus.gov
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"Some vaccines stop you getting symptomatic disease, but others stop you getting infected too."
Few Vaccines Actually Prevent Infection – Here's Why That's Not Actually a Problem
Vaccines are a marvel of medicine.www.sciencealert.com
from somebody that actually studies immunology, at cambridge u.
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we now know that they aren't as effective as the cdc was claiming (and the dumb assholes told us we could go around vaccinated people, unmasked, with our unvaccinated children), but they are still quite effective at preventing severe disease and death.
they, in fact, stimulate our immune system to not only make antibodies, but also tell our b cells and t cells to snap a memento for future introductions of similar coronaviruses.
our immune system isn't just an on-off switch that goes from 0% immunity to 100% immunity.
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it's like saying seatbelts do absolutely nothing because they don't perfectly prevent you from injury or death in a car accident, and might as well be a shoestring.
i'd rather get a moderately effective vaccine than go into cootie- town with nothing. ymmv (depending on how bad at statistics you are)...
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Well, having read through 41 pages of mostly hilarious contrarianism by a bunch of folks who I think have little agency in their own lives and manifest it through fear of the System, I think I might chime in now.
The tenor of the milquetoast conspiracy being spouted in here is just unbelievable, honestly. I mean I almost literally cannot believe that anyone with the capacity to operate a keyboard could use one to post such nonsense.
If there was a grandiose conspiracy, like the COVID-as-a-hoax crowd say there is, do you think any of us would have the merest inkling of it? Actually thinking that something so massive, so insidious and so pervasive could be outed by drug-scoffing loners like us with information gleaned from the fucking internet is naive, and childish, and shows a lack of understanding on how the world, power, and control in scenarios such as these would and has always worked.
But wait, most of that information from the internet wasn't from FOX or CNN so it has to be credible, right? If you think that is even scratching the surface of what a true conspiracy would entail, I can only ask, what are you, 6?
Links to Huffington Post articles? Brilliant. Denying that Polio existed? Inarguable. Quotes from lone contrarian doctors about sensationalist clickbait topics? Beyond reproach.
If you're so adamant this is a hustle, get out there and do something about it. Be the change you want to see in the world or stop moaning while the rest of us do it instead.
As a note bene, I personally wish that one day one of these conspiracy theories turns out to be true, and holds up to scrutiny, and we can have a good old fashioned attitude adjustment with the guilty parties, but I'm still waiting, and have been since David Icke claimed he was Jesus Christ reborn during a soccer match.
The tenor of the milquetoast conspiracy being spouted in here is just unbelievable, honestly. I mean I almost literally cannot believe that anyone with the capacity to operate a keyboard could use one to post such nonsense.
If there was a grandiose conspiracy, like the COVID-as-a-hoax crowd say there is, do you think any of us would have the merest inkling of it? Actually thinking that something so massive, so insidious and so pervasive could be outed by drug-scoffing loners like us with information gleaned from the fucking internet is naive, and childish, and shows a lack of understanding on how the world, power, and control in scenarios such as these would and has always worked.
But wait, most of that information from the internet wasn't from FOX or CNN so it has to be credible, right? If you think that is even scratching the surface of what a true conspiracy would entail, I can only ask, what are you, 6?
Links to Huffington Post articles? Brilliant. Denying that Polio existed? Inarguable. Quotes from lone contrarian doctors about sensationalist clickbait topics? Beyond reproach.
If you're so adamant this is a hustle, get out there and do something about it. Be the change you want to see in the world or stop moaning while the rest of us do it instead.
As a note bene, I personally wish that one day one of these conspiracy theories turns out to be true, and holds up to scrutiny, and we can have a good old fashioned attitude adjustment with the guilty parties, but I'm still waiting, and have been since David Icke claimed he was Jesus Christ reborn during a soccer match.
Well you certainly wouldn't. From your tone you're just like the rest of the public who only believes what the TV or movies tell them is permissible and possible. You don't have the humility to admit that actually conspiracies do happen, and that you might be the last to know because your own vanity prevents you from seeing what is actually right in front of your face. In other words, you're not as smart as you think you are. Not that you can't be, it's just the difference between us is that you sold out your thinking capacity to third parties.
I don't watch TV nor read mainstream media of any type, I am totally absent from social media, and I make up my own mind on something after reading both sides of an argument, instead of just the side that best suits my narrative.
Everything I've seen about COVID and its vaccines that's been even vaguely conspiratorial has been quasi-scientific hyperbole immediately discredited by reputable and numerous qualified professionals, or utterly illogical rubbish trotted out by alt-news websites, notorious clickbait websites, vloggers confusing causation and correlation, and YouTubers. Or my favourite, quotes taken out of context, or paraphrased.
As I say, my mind, and ears, are wide open. Can you truthfully say the same?
Absolutely. I took it all at face value until about May/June 2020 when it began to become clear to me the narrative and the data were completely incongruent.
If someone tells me I'm in danger, I will listen. Self preservation. But it works both ways; if you're being told you're in danger and it becomes apparent that really you're not, then actually you are still in danger but now it's coming from that party which was misleading you.
This is why your mind is not 'wide open'. Too eager to default back to the 'professionals' and men with letters after their names. An open mind means you don't disqualify information based upon trust of third-parties. You will listen to their opinion of course as it's information too and needs factoring into your computation, but treating them like religious figures and not critically examining the information yourself is not the hallmark of a free thinker.
People default to 'professionals' because ultimately they don't trust their own judgement, and beyond that their own intuition. But it's the only way to go. Doubt everyone and everything.
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that's called cynicism; the correct way is skepticism.
and i don't think they mean they blindly trust people with college degrees, but if it's between some talking head at OAN and, oh i dunno... A FUCKING PROFESSIONAL IMMUNOLOGIST OR VACCINIOLOGIST, you'd have to be patrick fucking star to go with the OAN talking head, or the bluelight pothead paraphrasing them.
it's pretty ironic coming from you, no less, the person claiming that the covid vaccines have LITERALLY the fucking same effectiveness as a saline solution. riiiight, so open minded that (i'd say the rest but that would be mean).
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England Study Confirms 100 Myocarditis Deaths After COVID Shots
In the largest study to date on myocarditis deaths related to COVID-19 vaccination, researchers found that 100 people in England died of myocarditis soon after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.
The study, published Aug. 22 in the American Heart Association’s journal, Circulation, found more than half (51) of the deaths occurred within 1 to 28 days after receiving a dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine and just under half (49) of the deaths occurred within 1 to 28 days after a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.
The AstraZeneca vaccine, not authorized for use in the U.S., uses an adenovirus technology similar to that used by Johnson & Johnson’s (J&J), or Janssen) COVID-19 vaccine, which is authorized for emergency use in the U.S.
Prior research has underscored the risk of fatal myocarditis associated with the mRNA technology used in the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines. This study showed the technology used in AstraZeneca’s vaccine poses a similar risk.
Nope. A cynic is a 'disbeliever', which is where you want to be. A sceptic is inherently biased in one way or another; willing to doubt everything except that which threatens himself.
If you're not prepared to lose it all then you're not free to find the truth.
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Citing a 2021 JAMA study, McCullough explained how the notion that COVID-19 infection puts people at high risk of myocarditis is not supported by research.
Since research in the early 1990s showed it was possible for coronaviruses to lead to myocarditis, researchers were understandably concerned when SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19 infection) emerged in 2020 that it might cause myocarditis.
So a team of 20 researchers conducted a study in 2021 of 1,597 athletes screened for myocarditis who had a COVID-19 infection. They published their findings in JAMA, showing COVID-19 infection had a negligible association with myocarditis with less than 3% of athletes experiencing myocarditis and no reports of hospitalizations or deaths due to myocarditis.
The JAMA study authors said:
“In this cohort study of 1597 US competitive athletes with CMR screening after COVID-19 infection, 37 athletes (2.3%) were diagnosed with clinical and subclinical myocarditis.”
“So we know from large studies of the [COVID-19] respiratory infection,” McCullough said, “that the risk of myocarditis is negligible.”
In contrast, we know from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) own data that myocarditis is associated with COVID-19 vaccination, he said. “The U.S. case count that the CDC is confirming as of September 2 is 8,812 cases of myocarditis or pericarditis,” McCullough said.
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“This is a massive number, and we know from papers by Tracy Hoeg, M.D., Ph.D., that the majority of these cases of myocarditis require hospitalization.”
“As a cardiologist, I would say that no case of myocarditis is mild or transient or insignificant. All of this is of extreme significance since it scars the heart. One case of vaccine-induced myocarditis is too many.”
Since research in the early 1990s showed it was possible for coronaviruses to lead to myocarditis, researchers were understandably concerned when SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19 infection) emerged in 2020 that it might cause myocarditis.
So a team of 20 researchers conducted a study in 2021 of 1,597 athletes screened for myocarditis who had a COVID-19 infection. They published their findings in JAMA, showing COVID-19 infection had a negligible association with myocarditis with less than 3% of athletes experiencing myocarditis and no reports of hospitalizations or deaths due to myocarditis.
The JAMA study authors said:
“In this cohort study of 1597 US competitive athletes with CMR screening after COVID-19 infection, 37 athletes (2.3%) were diagnosed with clinical and subclinical myocarditis.”
“So we know from large studies of the [COVID-19] respiratory infection,” McCullough said, “that the risk of myocarditis is negligible.”
In contrast, we know from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) own data that myocarditis is associated with COVID-19 vaccination, he said. “The U.S. case count that the CDC is confirming as of September 2 is 8,812 cases of myocarditis or pericarditis,” McCullough said.
He added:
“This is a massive number, and we know from papers by Tracy Hoeg, M.D., Ph.D., that the majority of these cases of myocarditis require hospitalization.”
“As a cardiologist, I would say that no case of myocarditis is mild or transient or insignificant. All of this is of extreme significance since it scars the heart. One case of vaccine-induced myocarditis is too many.”
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u serious, bro?
firstly, it's strange comparing athletes to the public at large.
secondly, 3% of infections causing heart inflammation is a LARGE fucking number, lol holy SHIT that's a lot of people.
3rd, just in the u.s. alone over 200 MILLION people are vaccinated... 8,000 cases of heart inflammation is 0.004%!!!!
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ffs, did you just blindly post this without thinking about it even a tiny bit???
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Oh thats fucking awesome!
Oh thats fucking awesome!
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Oh I won't. This isn't one of those things that everyone else will let slide into history and we'll all just pretend never happened. It has permanently revealed just how many people are corruptible and corrupted.
This is crazy...
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