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The Dive's Covid Thread

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nepalnt21 said:
how many billions of doses before antivaxxers finally come around?
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how many billions of doses before provaxxers finally come around?

alasdairm said:
i was talking about the other pic
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LGV posted a pic of Jake Gyllenhaal, who played Donnie Darko in a movie. The first pic (posted by Electrum1) is the real Donnie Darko who the film was based on. She's wearing the helmet to protect herself from Frank.
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
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So much has happened it's easy to forget that Florida has been open for a very long time now, and they also have not imploded into a zombie wasteland either. There's also various other countries around the world that no one pays attention to that have done the same, but they're full of coloured people so.. we just ignore them anyway.
bird.is.the.word said:
how many billions of doses before provaxxers finally come around?
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Wait what. Which side are of this debate are you on now. I'm confused.

Also, devoted church members will never come around. They're not safe until everyone is safe, giga-vaxxed.
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-=SS=- said:
So much has happened it's easy to forget that Florida has been open for a very long time now, and they also have not imploded into a zombie wasteland either. There's also various other countries around the world that no one pays attention to that have done the same, but they're full of coloured people so.. we just ignore them anyway.
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Indeed...
The US is just very strange about these things, it's obvious that for a large part of the population all trust in the anything medical is extremely low. It's like they wanna double down and alienate everyone even further =D
Not saying they have any chance to un-alienate people, but like these nonsense mandates for travelers, general mandates (for some workers, even kids as mentioned earlier in the other COVID thread), large focus on vaccinating kids and young people instead of just recommending it for older and more vulnerable people, having kids STILL wear masks in school and shit.

You can argue about who's right all day, but the point is that these things just kill trust, even in people that are in no way "antivaxxers" (apologies for the term). Some European countries were pretty bad in this respect, but the US and Canada really are something else.
 
nepalnt21 said:
it's really strange how many people think it's not a good idea to vaccinate young people.
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How come so many countries stopped recommending it then, or can only get it after a medical assessment?
I would agree that it's a good idea in very particular cases, but I don't see the point in vaccinating young people as they almost have 0% acute covid risk
 
Vaccinating children with the traditional vaccines is fine. Vaxxing children for covid with experimental mRNA shots that don't have long term safety data, and aren't really needed for children is where I personally draw the line. 71%-80% of kids already have covid antibodies. They already had covid
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
Indeed...
The US is just very strange about these things, it's obvious that for a large part of the population all trust in the anything medical is extremely low. It's like they wanna double down and alienate everyone even further =D
Not saying they have any chance to un-alienate people, but like these nonsense mandates for travelers, general mandates (for some workers, even kids as mentioned earlier in the other COVID thread), large focus on vaccinating kids and young people instead of just recommending it for older and more vulnerable people, having kids STILL wear masks in school and shit.

You can argue about who's right all day, but the point is that these things just kill trust, even in people that are in no way "antivaxxers" (apologies for the term). Some European countries were pretty bad in this respect, but the US and Canada really are something else.
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This is what makes me believe there is something nefarious going on. It's a trillion dollar industry and they're clearly prepared to burn it to the ground just to get as many people jabbed as possible, in particular the children. They would not risk destroying public faith in vaccination like this unless there was a motive greater financial gain, in my opinion.

What can you say? The logic of this whole situation is so arse backwards it's incredible. Again, that's a red flag in my estimation. Trying to hoodwink the public with such evident nonsensical enforcement, it just doesn't add up. We've never seen anything quite like this before really have we.

The masks on children is just straight up child abuse. I can't quite believe how readily so many adults have complied with enforcing it. How far we've fallen..
nepalnt21 said:
it's really strange how many people think it's not a good idea to vaccinate young people.
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Not that you'll believe this, but erm, these are not vaccines. They clearly don't immunize people, given that many people report still getting covid even after several jabs. In fact they don't seem to really do anything they were originally purported to by Fauci or any of the health authorities! Making that statement this time last year was 'crazy', but now even the average person can clearly see they've been sold a lemon.

Beating a dead horse here, but giving these genetic therapeutics to young people is absolutely criminal. There is no two ways about it. Once the narrative fully collapses you're going to look stupid, and also unfortunately feel tremendous regret and anxiety about your own children's long term health. Perhaps you even do already but don't want to admit it.

Whilst personally I feel as I do about vaccination in general, I can respect the logic people have for vaccinating their children against the big diseases with long tested products. But covid is not a big disease, it is not even remotely a concern for young people, and these products are untested and authorized under emergency use only. It is absolutely not comparable in the slightest.
 
Denmark huh
www.sst.dk

Vaccination against covid-19

The Danish Health Authority expects that the number of covid-19 infections will increase during autumn and winter. Therefore, we recommend vaccination of people aged 50 years and over as well as selected risk groups. Read more about the autumn vaccination programme here.
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The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination.

People aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19. In addition, younger people aged under 50 are well protected against becoming severely ill from covid-19, as a very large number of them have already been vaccinated and have previously been infected with covid-19, and there is consequently good immunity among this part of the population.

It is important that the population also remembers the guidance on how to prevent the spread of infection, including staying at home in case of illness, frequent aeration or ventilation, social distancing, good coughing etiquette, hand hygiene and cleaning.
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fuck a covid. sick of all the rhetoric from all sides.
what a waste of resources, time, and energy, imo.
ebb and flow
live/die
fight/flight
the virus may be the catalyst but we are the lab rats that either run and play or hole up and die.
guided by misinformation from all and hooked to electrodes to gauge responses.
fuck em
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
How come so many countries stopped recommending it then, or can only get it after a medical assessment?
I would agree that it's a good idea in very particular cases, but I don't see the point in vaccinating young people as they almost have 0% acute covid risk
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it’s a non zero risk, and the vaccine is much much less risky. it’s a no- brainer.
 
nepalnt21 said:
a vaccine does not need to provide sterilizing immunity to be defined a vaccine.
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You're right, not any more it doesn't. Because they changed the definition lol. Now it's some wishy washy definition about 'helping' to provide an 'immune response', not what it used to be which was 'to prevent infection from a disease/pathogen'.
 
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