The Dive's Covid Thread

[Droppersneck]

Wasn't the COVID virus causing heart issues/damage? I have read how the flu or common cold can also do this.
HealthyChildren.org
https://www.healthychildren.org › ...
Does the COVID-19 vaccine cause myocarditis?
Sep 26, 2022 — ask-the-pediatrician~The potentially rare side effect of myocarditis pales in comparison to the potential risks of COVID-19 infection.

What To Know About Myocarditis, a Rare COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effect in Young People

You may have read about a troubling potential side effect from the COVID-19 vaccines. Cardiologist Michelle Johnson says these heart issues are very rare and treatable.

www.mskcc.org

The spike protein is toxic, whether it be from the virus or the vaxx. But I’d be suspect of anyone blaming severe injury on the virus rather than the vaxx.

 

[Fire&Water]

The vast majority of people that caught covid got over it

why would you get the hokey pokey when you have no idea what its going to do down the road
It stays with you FOREVER
years from now your dna could decide to be reprogrammed by the vax and start making copies of cells that are unwanted in your body
thats a fucking problem why take that chance?

But Im no Dr.
and most of them shouldn't be either

 

[Xorkoth]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/368777703_Causal_effect_of_covid_vaccination_on_mortality_in_Europe

Meanwhile, another friend now has COVID for the 2nd time. The odd aspect is that the first time he had it, he did not feel sick, and had no real symptoms, but tested poz as someone at his work had it.

Now this time he said he has sinus congestion, a mild sore throat, cough, and feels tired like he has a mild cold or flu.

I asked him how many times he had been vaccinated, and he said 5 times!

I have never had COVID, and I was vaccinated only twice. Once with the J/J vax and then about a year later I took the moderna boost.

I do not plan on getting any more COVID vaccines.

I thought that Pfizer covid vaxxx/boosts are supposedly the worst, or damaged the body and immune system?

I know people who have cancer, or who are getting treatment to keep cancer in remission and have a compromised immune system, as well as people who are poz HIV+, or who have AIDS and they were vaxxed and boosted multiple times and are otherwise healthy.

I got the original 2 vaccines (Pfizer), and then one booster, due to pressure from my family (heavy pressure). I was already starting to feel sketched out by it by then, and like, I had already been vaccinated, and also had covid before I got the original vaccine doses. But I caved and did it. I haven't experienced any noticeable side effects from any of my shots, but I did come down with covid for the second time about 5 weeks after my third shot. That was the moment I decided enough is enough and I will not be getting any more covid shots, and I won't be pressured into it. The timing was suspect to me at the time, I avoided getting it again despite several known exposures, and many situations where I was on a dance floor or playing a show in a crowded indoor venue and not taking any precautions or worrying about it. Then 5 weeks after the booster, I got sick. Hmm.

Since then, I've seen so many posts on here showing supposed evidence that more shots increases your risk of catching it, as well as so many social media posts from terrified ultra-pro-vax liberals who have shaped their whole lives around avoiding exposure, talking about how they got covid for the third/fourth/fifth time, and how they had just gotten another booster and "thank god I have 5 boosters, or I could have died". That is anecdotal evidence, but you see enough of it and you can't just dismiss it because it's not a double blind clinical study.

I tended to dismiss the data/charts some of you were posting on here out of hand, at first, because, well, anyone can make a nice looking chart and claim it's from a source, but it could be utter bullshit. But then I checked into something Electrum posted, which claimed to be from, I believe, the Australian government's medical data (could have been another country). So I checked into it, went to the Aus government site, and sure enough, the data was right there. So that one was, in fact, legit. That made me start thinking that I shouldn't let my bias of what I want to believe lead me to dismiss something without really giving it any thought at all. Since then I've checked the sources on a few other charts posted, and they're also real data from real studies. I certainly am not prepared to suddenly start instantly believing every "vaccines are dangerous" post or chart now, without looking into it. But my point is, I've pretty much done a 180. I was never at any point one of those all in, the vaccines are perfectly safe for 100% sure, double masking, "plague of the unvaccinated" types. I always had a healthy degree of skepticism and I thought long and hard before getting my first, second, and third shots. So a 180 for me means that I'm not going to start talking about how spike proteins are going to mutate my DNA or turn me into a zombie. But it is starting to be clear to me that more shots is not helping people, and is probably hurting them, even if it's just causing a temporary immune suppression or making you more likely to catch covid.

It's a money grab, at this point, pure and simple, I think. Those vaccines are hugely profitable for big pharma, they made a shit ton, and want to keep making more. To do that, they need people to feel like they need them. But no more for me.

Thankfully my girlfriend is also skeptical and doesn't want any more for herself, even though she's also still really scared of covid to a somewhat crippling extent. So no pressure from her. I can deal with pressure from my family, if it happens... I see them 2-3 times a year, but I live with my girlfriend.

 

[Electrum1]

"I WILL SHED DOWN UPON YOU FROM THE MOUNTAIN TOPS"

 

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Why I don’t believe there ever was a Covid virus - Dr Mike Yeadon

I’VE grown increasingly frustrated about the way debate is controlled around the topic of origins of the alleged novel virus, SARS-CoV-2, and I have come to disbelieve it’s ever been in circulation, causing massive scale illness and death. Concerningly, almost no one will entertain this possibility, despite the fact that molecular biology is the easiest discipline in which to cheat. That’s because you really cannot do it without computers, and sequencing requires complex algorithms and, importantly, assumptions. Tweaking algorithms and assumptions, you can hugely alter the conclusions. - Dr Mike Yeadon

This is Dr Mike Yeadon, PhD, and ex-chief scientist and vice-president of Pfizer's allergy and respiratory research unit in Kent (UK). Basically saying what I have maintained all along, there is no virus. I have no credibility as a nobody, but this is someone who has worked in the relevant arena and knows what the fuck is what.

The Delingpod: The James Delingpole Podcast - Interview with Patrick Henningsen
Podcast 20th March 2023. Discussing the possibility of no virus. Highly recommended for those who are still on the fence or want to hear the arguments surrounding it. Patrick is easy to listen to and not preachy.

 

[Neuroborean]

Why I don’t believe there ever was a Covid virus - Dr Mike Yeadon

This is Dr Mike Yeadon, PhD, and ex-chief scientist and vice-president of Pfizer's allergy and respiratory research unit in Kent (UK). Basically saying what I have maintained all along, there is no virus. I have no credibility as a nobody, but this is someone who has worked in the relevant arena and knows what the fuck is what.

The Delingpod: The James Delingpole Podcast - Interview with Patrick Henningsen
Podcast 20th March 2023. Discussing the possibility of no virus. Highly recommended for those who are still on the fence or want to hear the arguments surrounding it. Patrick is easy to listen to and not preachy.

I caught something that wasn't a flu, it was pretty different
even my most skeptic friends who thought it was no virus, have lately caught something that wasn't a flu and totally resembles what covid it's supposed to be,
but well, as the ways of proving its existence are difficult (cause you cannot see anything clearly but only semi-isolated RNA clones..) then it's almost impossible to reach a point on which everyone would conclude that its existence is irrefutable...

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

This should not surprise anyone.

 

[Electrum1]

Senate did vote yesterday to finally end the covid emergency tho, it passed and goes to Biden to sign

I think it was yesterday, may have been Tuesday tho

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

The vast majority of people that caught covid got over it

why would you get the hokey pokey when you have no idea what its going to do down the road
It stays with you FOREVER
years from now your dna could decide to be reprogrammed by the vax and start making copies of cells that are unwanted in your body
thats a fucking problem why take that chance?

But Im no Dr.
and most of them shouldn't be either

That is not how an MRNA vaccine works, or how DNA works.

I am not a doctor but this website explains it better than the CDC, and WHO.

How long do mRNA and spike proteins last in the body?

Here we break down the data to show where mRNA vaccines (and spike proteins) travel in the body. There is no evidence that any mRNA or protein accumulates in any organ.

www.nebraskamed.com

People keep saying that the vaccines without a doubt cause blood clots, and strokes, and breathing or heart issues.

I have had multiple medical doctors tell me how COVID or the original strains can cause blood clots, heart issues or damage to the heart, lung damage, etc.

So what would have been the best thing to do?

There were people who were basically otherwise healthy and they were infected with COVID-19 or perhaps a type of Influenza, and they died from it.

I am not writing about the man who died in a vehicle accident or the severely autistic boy who drowned, where both were listed as deaths from COVID.

 

[Fire&Water]

I have had multiple medical doctors tell me how COVID or the original strains can cause blood clots, heart issues or damage to the heart, lung damage, etc

Of course they did

 

[-=SS=-]

That is not how an MRNA vaccine works, or how DNA works. I am not a doctor but this website explains it better than the CDC, and WHO.

I hate to the bearer of bad news, but that article is unsubstantiated cope from an 'authorised source' designed to allay your fears. They never say, "there is no evidence that it does X and Y.. yet". They can get away with making bold claims and then just row backwards if any evidence does come to light, which we have already seen with these so-called vaccines over the past two years. It's gone from "100% safe and effective" to being unable to deny it causes myocarditis as evidenced by the substantial number of sports people suddenly collapsing on TV. They just claim "well, the evidence we had at the time". Meanwhile, during the pharma testing phases they always downplay or coverup potential damage and side-effects. Always.

I have had multiple medical doctors tell me how COVID or the original strains can cause blood clots, heart issues or damage to the heart, lung damage, etc.

And did you ask them what their evidence is for those claims? Like the pharmaceutical companies and MSM, they just ride on a wave of emotional energy and can make statements without actually requiring to back them up due to their trusted professional credentials/position.

So what would have been the best thing to do?

Pay attention, think critically, and not take the jabs.

Sorry man, but all the data required was actually there by summer 2020 to show that not only was there not a pandemic to speak of but that basically no one was in danger unless they were 80+ years old, seriously obese, or half dead already. There was never any need to jab anyone, which is why they went to great lengths to exaggerate the dangers and simultaneously suppress any alternatives. And above all that, taking a product that was rushed through the development process and given emergency use status, and which is functioning on the genetic level. That is just playing with fire and gasoline to stay warm when you already live in the Sahara desert.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I AM A PURE-BLOOD!

 

[Electrum1]

"How many boosters have you had"

"This many"

 

[Droppersneck]

This should not surprise anyone.

Fuck this is scary

 

[simstim]

Ahahahaha!

I execute judgment on you Covid-19!!!!!

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

My friend's wife had long covid, it was not so bad that she had to go to a hospital, but she was sick for months while he had recovered. It does make me wonder if she did get vaccinated for it, or if they were both infected multiple times?

Long COVID remains an uphill battle for many Americans

Long COVID has affected millions of people globally.

www.yahoo.com

 

[SpiralusSancti]

It's a money grab, at this point, pure and simple, I think.

Well it’s such a money grab that even Black Water tried to take peace of that big cake.

And their founder actually got some funds from USA government but latter they got sued cuz process of making their vaccine was for profit (I guess they resorted to some sort of scams). I really didn’t get in any depth about it but it shows what types are attracted to this profiting on misery.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Don’t be scared sweetheart.
We do not really die.
Love is stronger than death.

I certainly hope you are correct.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Here’s Figure 2 from the Cleveland Clinic study (posted December 19, 2022) which looked at 51,011 working-age people who work at the Cleveland Clinic who have various vaccination status.

People with more jabs were more likely to get COVID than people with fewer jabs.

They started the clock for everyone at the same time: on the day the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine first became available to employees.

As you can see, people with more shots were more likely to get COVID and the differences were statistically significant.

Attempts to debunk the study​

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The pro-vaccine camp HATES this study because it goes against the narrative.

If the study proved their point, they’d be praising it and not criticizing it at all!

Eugene Gu said that it wasn’t peer-reviewed! This is typical. Rather than attack the data or a mistake, point out that the journals aren’t going to publish it.

Debunk the Funk created a YouTube video where he said that the start point was arbitrarily chosen and that the y-axis was “not huge.” The y-axis is linear and the differences at day 91 are statistically significant. I’m serious. Listen at 1:08 in the video. This guy is a PhD!!!

Then he said look at this other study which didn’t measure the same thing.

If you want to debunk the study, Mr. Funk, you need to show a comparable study that showed a different result. There isn’t one because nobody will get such a study published because it goes against the narrative. Duh.

This test was fair. Everyone started off at the same point in time, it’s the Cleveland Clinic employees who are regularly tested, and it’s all working age people. It’s real-world study. The sizes in the groups were sufficient to establish statistical significance of the result.

The pro-vax community hates this but as you can see from “Debunk the Funk”’s video, they cannot find a way to dispute it.

Oh, and he said the study wasn’t well designed. Wow. For the purposes of Figure 2, what was the DESIGN FLAW that they could have fixed? He doesn’t mention that.

The study is real world at the hospital. I don’t know what more they could have done, do you?

The elephant in the room​

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Thank you to Alex Berenson​

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Thanks to Alex Berenson for writing about this.

Alex also wrote just now about the Chinese study showing after 4 shots of the vaccine, your immune system is damaged and it’s not clear for how long. But it was in humanized mice, not people. You should read his post. This is important.

He wrote:


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My polls​

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They consistently show the more jabs, the worse the outcomes.

For boosters, only 1 place out of 102 reported they were beneficial.

How will they explain that one? Can we see THEIR data?

Summary​

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The Cleveland Clinic study kills the narrative. The authors are pro-vaccine!

The result was clear: the more shots you get, the more likely you are to get COVID.

That’s why the study wasn’t covered by any mainstream media. And banned from YouTube.

And that’s why this study by top people at the Cleveland Clinic will never be published in the peer-reviewed scientific journals. Because that’s the way science works.

What is not surprising is that the Biden regime actually censored Alex on Twitter.

I took the J&J vaccine, and then about a year or so later I took the Moderna vaccine. I did this to protect older relatives, and a close friend who has cancer that is in remission but they need treatment for the rest of their life.

Everyone who I know personally who has taken five, six, or more COVID vaccines and the boosts has been sick with COVID.

I have never had COVID, not from 2019-present 2023. I usually wear masks indoors in public places and I wash my hands while and after being in public.

Unless it was what I had at the end of 2012/early 2013 when myself and all of my housemates became extremely sick with something that based upon the symptoms was or could have been COVID-19. I normally never get sick, but I became sick.

I have never had a cold or flu give me an upset stomach or had a cold or flu so bad that for 1-2 days I was sleeping with a mild fever, unless I was out of bed periodically drinking water or green tea, forcing myself to eat food, showering, going outside to get sun and exercise, etc.