Your responses aren't just long, they're also pretty rambling and quite often you fail to present any logic along the way. Most of the time, you just tell me what reality is without any explanation whatsoever and expect me to accept it verbatim as gospel. This is why I've started skimming them.
I haven't really explained how I see things. I don't presume to know all the answers. It's impossible for you to know that you know what you think you know with such certainty. Part of enlightenment is understanding this. Hence arrogance interfering with enlightenment.
Yet, you contribute to both. It seems to me that you are as complicit as everyone else in this department, whether or not (in theory) you think otherwise?
I think I do have the receptivity to grasp what you're saying, but you refuse to explain it. You keep making statements like this:
I think this is a cop out; I think you don't explain it because you can't. If it's not a cop out, you can't really blame me for not understanding something that you refuse (for whatever reason) to explain sufficiently. The issue with comprehension isn't mine. It's not a question of my inability to understand, but rather your inability to explain it.
Let's focus on the shooter scenario.
I don't think you understand the logical problem you have created here.
You said in your last post that anyone who gets shot allows it to happen. So they are making a decision (free will) to allow themselves to be shot. You also said that the shooter decides (free will) to shoot them. This is clearly impossible. You've hit a wall, logically. It only works if they both decide the same thing. What if the shooter decides to shoot them but the person who is shot doesn't decide to be shot?
Before you answer this question with, "they miss the shot" let me alter the scenario for you. Say there's a guy who planted a bomb on a train. He has decided to blow them up, but the people on the train haven't all decided to explode. Take two guys sitting next to each other. The bomb is under their seat. One of them have decided to explode, while the other has decided not to. How does that work?
Frankly, I don't think you've thought all of this through as much as you think you have.
You said in a previous post that people don't like new age terminology. I will admit that I fall into that category, but I don't dislike terms because of stubbornness. I dislike them because they are vague and pseudo scientific.
Let's be specific. Define your terms, so the audience understands what you're saying.
What is vibrating here?
People use the same terms to mean different things.
How can it be planned if free will exists on both sides of the equation?
You keep flip-flopping from free will to determinism.
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As I've said repeatedly, I agree with many of the things that you've said. You certainly have developed some interesting and (somewhat) unique concepts. I don't believe you know the future and I don't believe you know for certain how determinism and free will works. You cannot know these things 100%.
A word of advice. If you'd like to convince people that these things are true, you need to stop telling people the reason they don't believe is their fault while refusing to explain any logical processes that lead you to these realizations. Stop saying people (like the Amish) "aren't dumb". Stop justifying arrogance. It's not going to get you anywhere. It will just turn people off listening to you. The word "retarded" in particular struck me as something an enlightened person wouldn't say. You can do whatever you like, of course. This is merely my advice to you, if you want people to listen.
Should people listen - should you write a book - you might end up creating a religion.
There have been many people throughout history that have believed they are prophets and believed that they have all the answers. This, historically, has been disastrous. Fundamentalism isn't a good thing. Ask yourself whether or not you really want to start a religious movement. If not, why try and convince people of the truth as you see it?
There are some things that people do not need to know. Some of us may have the ability to look behind the curtain, but others don't for a reason.
Just my two cents.
Very curious how you can solve my shooter-bomber / free will vs determinism argument without resorting to escape hatches and "it's too complex to explain" / "oh you just don't understand"...
We have obviously reached an impasse if you still don’t get what I’m saying after I literally broke it down for you in the simplest way possible. You perceive my views as irrational and as cop outs because you don’t understand the concepts that I am trying to convey to you. You’re not familiar enough with these concepts in order to fully follow through with what I’m trying to say and then your mind just breaks it down to mindless psycho babble with no logic. It is actually kind of humorous.
You say that you have thought about these things but yet you revert back to worldly skeptical ways of looking at things. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that but your cautionary belief patterns to only accept things with evidence is what is holding you back from really understanding what I am saying. That is what you are waiting for. You are waiting for me to lay it out in this simple non esoteric fashion with linear guidelines of how to conduct a conversation and provide “logical” explanations that go by the standards and guidelines of mainstream science and materialist mindset.
If you really want to find out the nature of reality and the nature of experience you have to realize that it is the complete opposite of that. Reality is convoluted and complex and has no logic and has no linear time form that you can follow from point A to point B. It just doesn’t work like that. That is why I have said several times that science and social structures provide no real progress for humanity and they are just focused on providing a strict regime to provide a certain set of rules or standards for what is considered “logical” and “objective” and “authenticity” from an entirely subjective perspective of men with lab coats and suits and ties that just want to control people and feel like they are intellectually superior than everyone else. They create this models that they live by only to have them broken down generation after generation and they follow the same patterns of stubbornness and arrogance and childishness of the common man on the street. They are not special and they are not above anyone else. They are human beings like you and me with the same emotional problems and doubts and fears. Their reverence and stature is only an illusion that the general public hasn’t woken up to yet.
I am a direct reflection of that. And I don’t mind being the reflection. And I hope you know what I mean when I say that. Because if you don’t then you’re just gonna say that I am not providing logic again right? However these aren’t things that you can conduct experiments on and provide statistics for. And I said that in my original post. You have to see it for yourself and take it upon yourself to venture out and really explore your mind and your own unique perceptual abilities and authentic intuition and emotions. Science tries to devalue those things and make you feel like those aspects of you are not important and that they are worthless in figuring out things in an objective way. But yet their whole establishment is based on the subjective view that the world is just physical. And they discover more and more things to reinforce that belief system and they stupidly mistaken it for actually finding out what the world really is and what reality is and treat it as though they are making actual progression. They are just indulging in the familiarity of their current state of physical thinking and building upon that. It is still subjective and it is arrogant on their part to treat it otherwise. For their own ego and their own need for self security and acceptance.
And there’s not really any other way to say it other than vibration or frequency or energetic momentum. I guess I can use the word energy given that it both exists in spiritual discourse as well as scientific discourse. Although the difference is that scientists believe that energy has no consciousness and just acts randomly according to random fluctuations and undulations.
You cannot quantify consciousness and perform experiments on consciousness and write it down on a piece of paper and publish it on a scientific article in the form of statistics. You just experience consciousness. And therefore the claim that experience is an invalid form of figuring out objective truth is invalid in and of itself. Energy is never created nor destroyed. But yet they act as if there was nothing before the Big Bang. Science itself is not logical and yet you follow the guidelines of what they give to you as being logical and you pretend like you are thinking logical in a true authentic sense.
This is why you have to be familiar with polarity and two opposite things happening at the same time instead of just one or the other. That is what objective reality is. That is why I flip flop back and forth. Determinism and free will are one in the same thing just different expressions of it. I have tried many times to get you to understand this concept of oneness and it goes right over your head and you revert to needing some sort of clear cut definitive answer. That is why you don’t understand me and see it as illogical. You have this idea in your head of what logic is supposed to sound like and it just doesn’t work like that. It’s an illusion given to you by scientific political agendas. We have to flip flop back in forth in order to take in the experience of life and humanity in its fullness and that will lead us to finding out who we truly are and what our connection is to reality and nature and the world around us and the people that we have relationships with and to realize our oneness and connection with them.
You are very stubborn when it particularly comes to that concept of oneness and connection. I try to explain it to you but then you keep separating things and turning my words into psycho babble that just go back and forth in an irrational and inconsistent way. And you treat these concepts as if they are just some vague and metaphorical way of me trying to provide some sort of kindergarten analogy for life or something that should be put on a hallmark card or some trendy inspirational quote.
I even gave you a whole example and broke it down into three parts to try and make it easier for you at the expense of limiting the actual value of the concept. And you still did not understand. You answered your own question about the shooter. They actually do miss the shot but the thing you have to keep in mind is that the shooter wanted to miss the shot and the person being shot at wanted to be missed. It is still free will on both sides. You are still thinking in terms of your lower self. You’re assuming that just because the shooter wants to shoot at someone implies that they want to kill them. On a lower level that is true but on a higher level that they are not aware of, they are actually holding back and purposefully not hitting their target. Because they know it’s not in alignment with their evolution and it wouldn’t serve them spiritually. Same thing with the person being shot at. Their higher self may have felt that it was better to be in a situation where they ALMOST got shot instead of actually getting shot. On a lower level they obviously don’t know that they are doing this on purpose but that is the level you are operating on and that’s why it seems illogical to you. Your confusion is because you really do not understand free will and higher selves. And yet you say I’m the one who hasn’t thought this through. What you have to understand is that nothing happens without us wanting it to happen. That is the whole point of free will. If we didn’t want it to happen then it just wouldn’t happen. Nobody would get shot. Nobody would blow up on a train. Nobody would die in a plane crash. It just wouldn’t happen.
The only reason things like that happen is because we want it to happen and we attract it to us because our higher selves are in control of reality a lot more than our ego selves are and they are able to manipulate the factors and the conditions in our environment in order to create situations like that. Even if some people die on the train and some people just get injured and some people didn’t get hurt at all. Everyone of those people on the train have a higher self and those higher selves chose to experience whatever happen to them. All of the participants and passengers agreed on a deeper level that they were gonna be part of a bomb explosion on a train. It’s all agreed upon beforehand by free will. They are all connected and are all one.
The problem is that generally most people in the world are not aware of themselves to that extent to where they can tap into that higher aspect of themselves in order to realize how much control they have over their reality and their environment. Most people are in a state of victim hood and powerlessness and their belief systems are centered in fear and separation and self preservation and thinking that the world is out to get them and that there are just bad people out there that mean to do harm to them and so this higher aspect of themselves, which has free will, gets pushed to the backgrounds of their minds and is so steeped in unconscious awareness and carries our actions subconsciously that we are unaware of.
So because that belief in society is so strong and so powerful and so reinforced then reality has to behave in that way. That is why bad things happen to people. They bring it to themselves for the purpose of expansion and evolution on many different levels of the soul and the mind. There. I explained it without having to say it’s too complex. Even though this is what I have been trying to explain to you this whole time but it just went over your head because you don’t get it, I literally broke it down to you in a very logical way if you can catch it. If you can’t then you are lost.
And I don’t care if me saying you are lost makes you not want to listen to me more because that is mainly your problem and not mine. You are choosing to react that way by your own free will instead of gaining knowledge of something that is on another level and can actually help you in your life. You are the one choosing to lose out on the opportunity of gaining more awareness and empowerment because you perceive me to be arrogant and you are reserving your desire for knowledge for people who you think deserve it. That’s not very enlightened either if you ask me. At least I am confident in what I know.
You act as if having this flimsy way of not being certain of things and having this humble attitude inadvertently makes you intelligent and enlightened. You need power to gain intelligence you need confidence to gain intelligence. As well as enlightenment. If you don’t have those things then you will always be in a state of uncertainty and you will always have self doubt about your true authentic self and the true authentic nature of life and reality and nature. That is the opposite of enlightenment and expanded awareness. How would you know what enlightenment is if you subscribe to the scientific model of life to the extent that you have??
You are playing a game with yourself that was taught to you by scientists and people who you looked up to as role models and parents and tv and movies.
And it’s funny that you mention people who started religions and thought they were prophets like L Ron Hubbard and aleister crowley and Charles Manson and that dude who ran heavens gate. Thinking that they were the ones responsible. All they were doing was relaying their thoughts and expressing their true authentic selves. It is the weak minded inauthentic and vulnerable fools who followed them that were responsible for actually formulating it into a religious/fundamentalist movement. That goes for any religion. We are all prophets. That is the misunderstanding. We all have the ability to tap into higher awarenesses and start religions of our own. The problem is that there are so many people in our society who aren’t in touch with that authentic side to them so they end up getting swept off their feet by the people who are in touch with that side of themselves and have that power and that charisma and that aura that just emanates from that and attracts the vulnerable susceptible fools like magic. Or like a magnet.
If authority figures taught us to be more authentic and in touch with our emotions and free will and encouraged us to exercise our minds and our intuition and encouraged us to become more empowered and more aware of metaphysical energies and phenomena then they wouldn’t fall victim to other people’s manipulations and powerful thinking. They wouldn’t be ignorant and vulnerable enough to be swept away by the first guy they see who embodies that authenticity and spirituality.
If I write a book and then tons of people follow me and worship me and create a religion out of me that is not my fault for expressing my authentic thoughts and feelings. I have a right to. I have the freedom to do that if I please. Whatever people make out of it is their problem. They obviously don’t understand what I’m saying if they thought that I was trying to create some sort of religion. And obviously you don’t understand what I’m saying if that’s what you think I’m trying to do.
Just like how you are ignoring my words and skimming through them because of the way you view my authenticity and how I am approaching you. I am a reflection of you. I am arrogant because you don’t wanna see the arrogance within yourself. This is why we are even having a conversation right now. This is why we came into contact. This interaction is not random. Our higher selves arranged this very meeting so that we can learn. Even if it’s just over the internet. If you did not have that subconscious arrogance within yourself then we would have never came across eachother. Your skepticism makes it very hard for you to understand what I’m saying. pseudo science is a made up term. People just use that word to subjugate the concepts and ideas and people that they don’t understand and try to put them in boxes and discredit them to make them seem like idiots. In the future pseudo science will be known as the real science. Psychics, ghosts, aliens, demons, vibrations, auras, astrology will all be accepted. These are things that science is just afraid of and don’t have the intelligence and awareness to understand so they create these words to diminish them and make them seem fake and unimportant.
that’s just pure laziness. You don’t have to act like you’re too cool to read my messages or something. maybe short messages like this is the only way you’re able to understand stuff.
