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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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DO NOT GET THE FUCKING VACCINE ITS FUCKING KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN COVID
I ALWAYS TAKE LIFE-CHANGING ADVICE WHEN ITS GIVEN IN CAPS LOCKS WITH NO CITATIONS
i got the pfizer vaccine a few months ago and i am still alive. do these cases somehow cancel each other out?

posting single cases as if they are somehow meaningful has little value.

alasdair
they are meaningful to those involved but they have low statistical power. and in the context of vaccines that have been given out to billions of people, they might possibly have the lowest statistical power of any biological dataset ever. i prefer effect sizes but am pretty certain that they would lead to the same conclusion in this case.
 
i got the pfizer vaccine a few months ago and i am still alive. do these cases somehow cancel each other out?

posting single cases as if they are somehow meaningful has little value.

alasdair
This is not a great argument since it disingenuously dismisses the short-term adverse reactions plus you have no idea about any medium to long term adverse reactions that you might experience.
If we were able to post all of the serious adverse reactions to these new drugs then that would be the entire thread.
But for some reason the people who claim to care the most about death or suffering do not seem to care about, or actively dismiss, the death and suffering (preventable mind you) caused by these drugs.
The old Swine Flu vaccine killed less than 100 people before it was halted. These drugs have killed at a minimum 18,000 in the US and the actual number is certainly much higher.
I'm not sure at what point the majority of people will continue to accept a "solution" that is gravely worse for us overall than the "problem".
 
Well at least if they get lost in the Alps somebody can scan them and call their owners! :ROFLMAO:
Are you confusing the Swedes with the Swiss? Not surprised people are confusing lies for a pandemic.
Thousands of Swedes microchipped their hands a few years back.

i fucking hate lockdowns but i accept them in this case.
and that's the only reason why they're continuing. You think that your obedience will end the restrictions, but they're only happening due to your obedience.

i hate authoritatianism and have always voted for parties strongly against it.
Then you've got some cognitive dissonance there bud.
All it takes is for the media to pump up the death anxiety among the population for them to accept authoritarianism.

do you actually have an answer for @birdup on NSW or are you just going to try and waft it away with some veiled ad hominems about people in support of lockdowns when models favour their implementation to protect public safety.
There's probably a reason why he wants to only discuss a specific statistic in NSW instead of the entire world and the examples of countries that disprove what he thinks is happening.
I'd like to talk about NSW - when at one point, it was illegal there for you to dance with your wife at your own wedding, but at the same time it was legal for you to go have sex in a brothel with a prostitute.
Has the NSW govt ever released any data showing that capping the capacity for 10 people at a funeral is scientifically valid?
That's just a couple of examples of blatantly evil and sadistic shit that the government has pulled on its people recently.
The amount of nonsense and inhumanity displayed by the Aus government over this pandemic has been so egregious that I cannot believe anyone would still be defending their actions.

Lockdowns kill, end of story.
Lockdowns also don't work:

So Far 27 Studies Prove Lockdowns Have Little To No Effect

A study by researchers at the BMJ and Yale titled ‘Effects of non-pharmaceutical interventions on COVID-19: A Tale of Three Models‘ found that :

“Inferences on effects of NPIs are non-robust and highly sensitive to model specification. Claimed benefits of lockdown appear grossly exaggerated.” [1]
A study in The Lancet found that:

“government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality” [2]
While a study published by Sage reported:

“Official data from Germany’s RKI agency suggest strongly that the spread of the coronavirus in Germany receded autonomously, before any interventions become effective” [3]
Another study at arxiv.org found that:

“the decline in infections in England…began before full lockdown…Such a scenario would be consistent with…Sweden, which began its decline in fatal infections shortly after the UK, but did so on the basis of measures well short of full lockdown” [4]
A study at datascienceassn.org reports:

“the UK lockdown was both superfluous (it did not prevent an otherwise explosive behavior of the spread of the coronavirus) and ineffective (it did not slow down the death growth rate visibly).” [5]
While reported in The Times of Israel we find:

“Given that the evidence reveals that the Corona disease declines even without a complete lockdown, it is recommendable to reverse the current policy and remove the lockdown” [6]
A study from medrxiv.org tells us:

“stay at home orders, closure of all non-essential businesses and requiring the wearing of facemasks or coverings in public was not associated with any independent additional impact” [7]
Then again at medrxiv.org:

“these strategies might not have saved any life in western Europe. We also show that neighboring countries applying less restrictive social distancing measures … experience a very similar time evolution of the epidemic. Since the full lockdown strategies are shown to have no impact on the epidemic’s slowdown, one should consider their potentially high inherent death toll as a net loss of human lives” [8]
Then consider this at nicholaslewis.org where we read:

“The case of Sweden, where the authors find the reduction in transmission to have been only moderately weaker than in other countries despite no lockdown having occurred, is prima facie evidence” [9]
While back at bmj.com:

“…general social distancing was also projected to reduce the number of cases but increase the total number of deaths compared with social distancing of over 70 only” “Strategies that minimise deaths involve the infected fraction primarily being in the low risk younger age groups—for example, focusing stricter social distancing measures on care homes where people are likely to die rather than schools where they are not….results presented in the report suggested that the addition of interventions restricting younger people.” [10]
Again, we find another study at medrxiv.org:

“We show that [lockdown] is modestly superior in saving lives compared to [focused protection], but with tremendous costs to prevent one case of death. This might result in overwhelming economic effects that are expected to increase future death toll” [11]
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov has a study that tells us:

“For pathogens that inflict greater morbidity at older ages, interventions that reduce but do not eliminate exposure can paradoxically increase the number of cases of severe disease by shifting the burden of infection toward older individuals” [12]
From https://papers.ssrn.comwe learn:

“Current policy can be misdirected and can therefore have long and even short-term negative effects on human welfare and thus result in not actually minimizing death rates (incorporating externalities), especially in the long run.” [13]
While we see at imgcdn.larepublica.co:

“For example, the data…shows a decrease in infection rates after countries eased…lockdowns with >99% statistical significance. Indeed…infection rates have declined after reopening even after allowing for an appropriate measurement lag. This means that the pandemic and COVID-19 likely have its own dynamics unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures that were being implemented.” [14]
Stay at home orders are exposed in the JAMA study at jamanetwork.com:

“restrictions imposed by the pandemic (eg, stay-at-home orders) could claim lives indirectly through delayed care for acute emergencies, exacerbations of chronic diseases, and psychological distress (eg, drug overdoses).” “In 14 states, more than 50% of excess deaths were attributed to underlying causes other than COVID-19; these included California (55% of excess deaths) and Texas (64% of excess deaths)” [15]
Disturbing data is shown in medrxiv.org

“We found that 180-day of mandatory isolations to healthy <60 (ie schools and workplaces closed) produces more final deaths if the vaccination date is later than (Madrid: Feb 23 2021; Catalonia: Dec 28 2020; Paris: Jan 14 2021; London: Jan 22 2021)” [16]
Again, from Europe we see more lockdown failings in papers.ssrn.com

“Comparing weekly mortality in 24 European countries, the findings in this paper suggest that more severe lockdown policies have not been associated with lower mortality. In other words, the lockdowns have not worked as intended” [17]
More evidence of no benefits come in nber.org

“Our findings … further raise doubt about the importance in NPI’s (lockdown policies in particular) in accounting for the evolution of COVID-19 transmission rates over time and across locations” [18]
Meanwhile, back at bmj.com

“[the] President…has flatly denied the seriousness of the pandemic, refusing to impose a lockdown, close schools, or cancel mass events…Yet the country’s death rate is among the lowest in Europe-just over 700 in a population of 9.5 million” [19]
We learn at medrxiv.org

“living with children 0-11 years was not associated with increased risks of recorded SARS-CoV-2 infection, COVID-19 related hospital or ICU admission but was associated with reduced risk of COVID-19 death (HR 0.75, 95%CI 0.62-0.92).” [20]
In another telling paper from medrxiv.org

“This study shows that the virus is already here, and we must find ways of living with it such that it caused no or minimal human and socioeconomic losses in … Nigeria as a whole…. going back to the lockdown should never again be entertained” [21]
Now check out this in nejm.org

“recruits were under the constant supervision of Marine Corps instructors. Other settings in which young adults congregate are unlikely to reflect similar adherence to measures intended to reduce transmission.” [22]
Then we learn from frontiersin.org

“The national criteria most associated with death rate are life expectancy and its slowdown, public health context (metabolic and non-communicable diseases (NCD) burden vs. infectious diseases prevalence), economy (growth national product, financial support), and environment (temperature, ultra-violet index). Stringency of the measures settled to fight pandemia, including lockdown, did not appear to be linked with death rate” [23]
Lockdowners can see more bad news for their policy at tandfonline.com

“Whether a county had a lockdown has no effect on Covid-19 deaths; a non-effect that persists over time. Cross-country studies also find lockdowns are superfluous and ineffective (Homberg 2020). This ineffectiveness may have several causes. ” [24]
The insanity of lockdown exposed further at upmc-biosecurity.org

“There are no historical observations…that support.. confinement by quarantine of groups of possibly infected people for extended periods…The negative consequences…are so extreme…this mitigation..should be eliminated from serious consideration” [25]
It was very predictable, according to medrxiv.org

“we present data demonstrating that mortality due to covid-19… could have been largely predicted even before the pandemic hit Europe, simply by looking at longitudinal variability of all-cause mortality rates in the years preceding the…outbreak” [26]
Lockdown or no lockdown, the outcome was monotonously the same as shown in medrxiv.org

“Our analysis shows that while infection levels decreased, they did so before lockdown was effective, and infection numbers also decreased in neighbour municipalities without mandates, There are of course anecdotal observations as well–e.g., Florida is doing better than California despite DisneyWorld having been open for months and California having no current plan to ever reopen anything, let alone Disneyland. I could do a similar thread on the harms of lockdowns (and school closures in particular) but that seems unnecessary as such harms have been well documented. If lockdowns were extremely effective, their desirability from a policy perspective would at least be a conversation worth having. However, these papers suggest they have limited effectiveness at best AND horrible side effects. ” [27]
 
So-called lock-downs are unacceptable regardless of death-rates in any case. Having a bunch of bureaucrat lawyers&accountants placing us under compulsory house arrest is absurd. Their job is to balance the books - and they can't even do that. How naive to think they can solve important complicated problems. It is unreasonable to expect form politicians to act wisely. We already know they are for the most part, highly educated fools.
 
"Bluelight Brown Shirts quoted your post in the thread - the Covid narrative"..... 50x



Don't worry grandpa FUBAR. The vaccine protects you from the virus, just not those scary unvaccinated murderers. Just keep repeating that. Maybe one day in another 50 somethin' years, you'll finally get it. Cause that's how logic works now in 🤡🌏
 
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"Bluelight Brown Shirts quoted your post in the thread - the Covid narrative"..... 50x



Don't worry grandpa FUBAR. The vaccine protects you from the virus, just not those scary unvaccinated murderers. Just keep repeating that. Maybe one day in another 50 somethin' years, you'll finally get it. Cause that's how logic works now in 🤡🌏
It’s actually pretty sound logic, if I don’t wear my seatbelt your chances of getting ejected from your car go up 100%, especially if your wearing your seatbelt
 
1987 was the first passage of the new astronomical object called the chiron asteroid all those born during that have gained the first wave of DNA mutations to become homo sanctus and break free from the matrix we live in
 
Transhumanist Klaus Schwab, Founder and President of the World Economic Forum, said in 2016: "Humans will have a microchip implanted under the skin or in the brain within 10 years"

Circulation Journal, 71 years old, was rated #1 in the world in Cardiac and Cardiovascular system category:
We conclude that the mRNA vaccine dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.

 
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What do you guys (and girls) think about having a Lounge COVID thread and a CEPS COVID thread? I think it's probably a good idea to split the discussion into two threads. The Lounge thread would be more casual. You can blow off steam without looking over your shoulder for mods. Anything in the CEPS thread that is offensive, could then be moved to the Lounge thread. That way, nobody gets censored or banned.

I'd like to hear opinions from the regulars.

Thoughts?
 
What do you guys (and girls) think about having a Lounge COVID thread and a CEPS COVID thread? I think it's probably a good idea to split the discussion into two threads. The Lounge thread would be more casual. You can blow off steam without looking over your shoulder for mods. Anything in the CEPS thread that is offensive, could then be moved to the Lounge thread. That way, nobody gets censored or banned.

I'd like to hear opinions from the regulars.

Thoughts?
Are you trying to gauge JUST how nasty people can become to each other? Because that's one surefire way of finding out! :ROFLMAO:
 
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