Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[Jabberwocky]

@Mr. Krinkle you wouldn't even get to be a statistic mate. sorry. you'd never know and unless you were a vector for disease your presence isn't worth noting. maybe that's why you choose to be one? i'm sorry in that's case, it must be hard if that's your only option for a meaningful life.

vaers is co-managed by the cdc. that doesn't mean reports are reviewed and vetted by them. i keep forgetting to post my miraculous growth of a second head to them.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Postlicensure monitoring begins with the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), a national system used by scientists at FDA and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to collect reports of adverse events (possible side effects) that happen after vaccination. Health care professionals, vaccine manufacturers, vaccine recipients, and parents or family members of people who have received a vaccine are encouraged to submit reports to VAERS if they experience any adverse events after getting any vaccine.


Scientists monitor VAERS reports to identify adverse events that need to be studied further. All serious reports are reviewed by medical professionals on a daily basis. VAERS data provide medical professionals at CDC and FDA with a signal of a potential adverse event. Reports of adverse events that are unexpected, appear to happen more often than expected, or have unusual patterns are followed up with specific studies.


they supposedly review the reports daily at the CDC

they don't review them tho, says chinup

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Postlicensure monitoring begins with the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), a national system used by scientists at FDA and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to collect reports of adverse events (possible side effects) that happen after vaccination. Health care professionals, vaccine manufacturers, vaccine recipients, and parents or family members of people who have received a vaccine are encouraged to submit reports to VAERS if they experience any adverse events after getting any vaccine.


Scientists monitor VAERS reports to identify adverse events that need to be studied further. All serious reports are reviewed by medical professionals on a daily basis. VAERS data provide medical professionals at CDC and FDA with a signal of a potential adverse event. Reports of adverse events that are unexpected, appear to happen more often than expected, or have unusual patterns are followed up with specific studies.


they supposedly review the reports daily at the CDC

they don't review them tho, says chinup

You need faith Krinkle, have you thought about accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, I have a pamphlet I’m gonna leave at your door

 

[Las Veghost grower]

CDC … Christ Dominiative Council … coincidence? I think not

 

[Jabberwocky]

they supposedly review the reports daily at the CDC

they don't review them tho, says chinup

sorry mate only going by their actual website:

VAERS | Vaccine Safety | CDC

VAERS is the national vaccine safety monitoring system that accepts reports of adverse events after vaccination. The system can quickly detect potential safety issues with vaccines.

www.cdc.gov

whats your evidence proving otherwise and why am i still asking for this? you haven't even provided a single piece of evidence i have requested. even including shit he only needs to verify bia searches on this site.

i'm very drunk right now but i do hope when i'm sober in the morning he'll have provided at least one link to one quote by me justifying his assertions about what i personally have said. also still waiting on that virulence decreasing mutation? your repeated evasion of the question suggests you can't back up your claims. but its so easy to back up, i can provide mutliple virulence increasing mutations and i'm not even asking you to provide sufficient evidence to cancel those out. just one that does the opposite. to fit your narrative.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

that quote i made came directly from the CDC website, chinny


and i'll have that report on your desk by the morning

 

[Deleted member 521610]

if you got heart damage from the vax drink hawthorn berry tea it works wonders

 

[Jabberwocky]

that quote i made came from directly the CDC website, chinny


and i'll have that report on your desk by the morning

erm, can you provide that please cos when i googled that quote the first hit was an info leaflet for young teens by 'not the CDC' and the subsequent hits were worse.

and i look forward to your report. i love being wrong. its the only way us scientists make any progress. i expect the report to be properly cited as a man with your professed grasp of cutting edge research can be expected to be au fait with current research techniques.

also if you're bullshitting, i will now offer my outsretched hand in peace. i totally get if you got a bit to overwhelmed by a zeitgeist and didn't have the guts to admit you were wrong. but i and i suspect most of the users of this forum will respect you so much more if you can admit you fucked up.

otherwise, hard evidence. publically shared, tomorrow. or all credibility is lost, and tbh yours was tenuous anyway.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf/09_207294_VAERS_FactSheet2.pdf

if you look at that, it even tells you that they:

VAERS data are available to the public.VAERS data are made available on the VAERS Web site and can be searched for summaries
on particular adverse events reported for specific vaccines. Personal identifying information
(name, date of birth, address, etc.) is removed prior to posting the public data. The data is also
screened to remove duplicate reports.


so they screen it AND remove personal info.


so when i say that they review it, i would be correct and you would be incorrect

are you happy now?

 

[Jabberwocky]

But I have a PhD from an RNA lab and I don’t worry too much about potential long term effects from the vaccine. I’d be more worried to catch long term effects from covid.

your qualifications don't matter here mate.

all thart matters is whether you'll confidently post a link to something stating the polar opposite of your own clams.

though as it happens i too would be way more worried about the long term effects of covid. i've lost more than 2 years of my life to viral infections pre covid so i know what its like to suffer long term from a 'simple virus.' and i have to say the 2 days i lost to post vaccine symptoms i give joyfully if they reduce the chances of getting long term post viral fatigue, especially in the context of that having triggered my worst, most life altering drug problems.

on a personal level, i trust your expertise. cos i know what its like to put the work in and how rarely its possible to reach conclusions you're truly confident in.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

wtf is that meant to be?? got up to 5 mins and was laughing so much I had to stop it

I'm seeing this everywhere - nearly all protests like this thesedays are made up of people who, it seems, have just realised society is fucked up - bless them all - where the fuck have they been for the last 50 years??

In that 5 mins I learned that "someone" I can't make out who, has the power to overthrow the parliament as that has been granted to her by the Queen of England, and that that is, in fact "all we need to happen" lmfao...oh and also that "we have to stand here on our own as our own leaders" aaha

BUT - what can we do? Well "we can ring the bell" - that'll fkin show em eh!

I have also learned that "It's all pagan bollocks" and that "we have to stop the witchcraft"

The best banner is definitely the "make Adern go away" one - absolutely brutal!

Now, I'm no babylon system supporter and was a very active multi-arrested political activist for many years in my younger days - but this straw-clutching miniscule iq throng are fucking terrible 'protestors' - and that appears to be a common theme worldwide atm

Put it this way - you wouldn't want them beside you in the trenches would ya?

I'd prefer to have multi vaccines, and get covid repeatedly while being imprisoned in a freemason's dungeon than join up with this wet rabble.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

wtf is that meant to be?? got up to 5 mins and was laughing so much I had to stop it

I'm seeing this everywhere - nearly all protests like this thesedays are made up of people who, it seems, have just realised society is fucked up - bless them all - where the fuck have they been for the last 50 years??

In that 5 mins I learned that "someone" I can't make out who, has the power to overthrow the parliament as that has been granted to her by the Queen of England, and that that is, in fact "all we need to happen" lmfao...oh and also that "we have to stand here on our own as our own leaders" aaha

BUT - what can we do? Well "we can ring the bell" - that'll fkin show em eh!

I have also learned that "It's all pagan bollocks" and that "we have to stop the witchcraft"

The best banner is definitely the "make Adern go away" one - absolutely brutal!

Now, I'm no babylon system supporter and was a very active multi-arrested political activist for many years in my younger days - but this straw-clutching miniscule iq throng are fucking terrible 'protestors' - and that appears to be a common theme worldwide atm

Put it this way - you wouldn't want them beside you in the trenches would ya?

I'd prefer to have multi vaccines, and get covid repeatedly while being imprisoned in a freemason's dungeon than join up with this wet rabble.

Brilliant!!

 

[Jabberwocky]

none of that backs up your previous claim that all vaers data are reviewed by the cdc. anonymsing data is completely normal and not the same thing. the link is a one page leaflet. not the source of your original bolded quote. like come on man you posted this just hours ago surely if you weren't completely full of shit you'd have provided the link to whee your 'quote' came from?

and where's my mutation? i've requested multiple times. you're confident the reduction in hospitalisations and deaths is due to a mutation, so tell me where it is in the genome.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

none of that backs up your previous claim that all vaers data are reviewed by the cdc. anonymsing data is completely normal and not the same thing. the link is a one page leaflet. not the source of your original bolded quote. like come on man you posted this just hours ago surely if you weren't completely full of shit you'd have provided the link to whee your 'quote' came from?

do you think i wrote that myself?

and where's my mutation? i've requested multiple times. you're confident the reduction in hospitalisations and deaths is due to a mutation, so tell me where it is in the genome.

where's my mutation

i didn't say i was confident in anything so im not sure what you're talking about

you'll have to use the search button, and then put my name in and then do a search to see if you can where i said that

it should be easy enough for you

 

[Xorkoth]

though as it happens i too would be way more worried about the long term effects of covid. i've lost more than 2 years of my life to viral infections pre covid so i know what its like to suffer long term from a 'simple virus.' and i have to say the 2 days i lost to post vaccine symptoms i give joyfully if they reduce the chances of getting long term post viral fatigue, especially in the context of that having triggered my worst, most life altering drug problems.

CFC has recently popped back in, for which I'm grateful cuz I love the guy. He's experiencing brain damage from post-acute COVID and had long COVID. I'd hate to get serious, life-altering vaccine side effects, but between the deaths of people I know including some family, and the people I know who have experienced long COVID, I'm much more concerned with that. Like I've said, I don't personally know anyone who has had more than temporary sickness from the vaccine, except for my uncle who had a psoriasis outbreak, nor do any of my friends. But I know a handful of people who died and a few more who experienced severe long-term side effects, from covid. When I try to piece together the truth from the narratives, these observations hold the most water for me. In my life I have not seen any negative impact from vaccines... though I am aware there have been for some people. But I have for covid. So it's pretty easy for me to determine which narrative to trust. If I had experienced the opposite I would feel differently.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

none of that backs up your previous claim that all vaers data are reviewed by the cdc. anonymsing data is completely normal and not the same thing. the link is a one page leaflet. not the source of your original bolded quote. like come on man you posted this just hours ago surely if you weren't completely full of shit you'd have provided the link to whee your 'quote' came from?

ok i decided to look again for you....

Ensuring the Safety of Vaccines in the United States | CDC

The FDA must approve a vaccine before it can be used in the US. FDA regulations for vaccine development help ensure their safety and effectiveness.

www.cdc.gov

scroll down to VAERS and the second paragraph states:

Scientists monitor VAERS reports to identify adverse events that need to be studied further. All serious reports are reviewed by medical professionals on a daily basis. VAERS data provide medical professionals at CDC and FDA with a signal of a potential adverse event. Experience has shown that VAERS is an excellent tool for detecting potential adverse events. Reports of adverse events that are unexpected, appear to happen more often than expected, or have unusual patterns are followed up with specific studies.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Healthcare providers are encouraged to report to VAERS any additional clinically significant AEs following vaccination, even if they are not sure whether the vaccine caused the event.

Healthcare providers should also report any additional selected AEs and/or any revised safety reporting requirements per FDA's conditions of authorized use of vaccine(s) throughout the duration of any COVID-19 vaccine's Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) or any approved COVID-19 vaccine as outlined in the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers.


Knowingly filing a false VAERS report is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Scientists monitor VAERS reports to identify adverse events that need to be studied further. All serious reports are reviewed by medical professionals on a daily basis. VAERS data provide medical professionals at CDC and FDA with a signal of a potential adverse event. Experience has shown that VAERS is an excellent tool for detecting potential adverse events. Reports of adverse events that are unexpected, appear to happen more often than expected, or have unusual patterns are followed up with specific studies.

thanks. you've managed to back up one claim that you've made. unfortunately you failed to read all the way to paragraph 3 of that link, which states the following: 'VAERS data alone usually cannot be used to answer the question, “Does a certain vaccine cause a certain side effect?” This is mainly because adverse events reported to VAERS may or may not be caused by vaccines. ' pretty important omission in the context of your argument. they also go on to list the more reputable sources they use i.e. not vaers. its sad to see you keep digging this hole when you're been given ample opportunity to back down gracerfully.

re the mutation. the burden of proof is on you, as it is you who makes the claim. that which can be stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. so provide evidence for your claim that the reduction in hospitalisations is due to a mutation, or gracefully concede defeat. these are your two best options. come on man, based on your own claims this should be easy and you'd get to make a massive prat out of me to boot. its win-win for you so why aren't you going for my jugular?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

because i just don't care about your ramblings, chinny....and going for your jugular just isn't my goal with you

you love vaccines...and you're really smart

cool

ok then - moving on....

South Africa accuses UK and others of ‘knee-jerk’ reaction to new variant

Travel restrictions on southern African states imposed by countries after discovery of B.1.1.529 already harming economy

www.theguardian.com

Should the new variant prove to be highly transmissible, there are fears that a fourth wave could materialise – and in a more dangerous form than had been anticipated.

However, Dr Angelique Coetzee, chair of the South African Medical Association and a practising GP based in Pretoria, said it was “premature” to make predictions of a health crisis.

“It’s all speculation at this stage. It may be it’s highly transmissible, but so far the cases we are seeing are extremely mild,” she said. “Maybe two weeks from now I will have a different opinion, but this is what we are seeing. So are we seriously worried? No. We are concerned and we watch what’s happening. But for now we’re saying, ‘OK: there’s a whole hype out there. [We’re] not sure why.’”


the more highly transmissible, the less deadly.....that's the name of the game