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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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You have to admit it’s pretty fascinating how groups of people can see the same situation completly opposite of each other, one group says there is no foul play and the entities involved are doing the best they can, and the other group think there is a huge conspiracy to separate people from their money/property and gain more and more control at all cost even human life…as usual the truth is probably somewhere in the middle
 
Most people (at least on the pro-vax side) don't fall into those two categories.

I don't think anyone is saying governments or corporations are perfect. I normally assume corruption. I assume the same (maybe slightly more) corruption at play here.

The thing that separates us is: one group strongly believes that this moment in time is significantly more corrupt.

With all due respect, people in that camp aren't thinking clearly.

Who is significantly more corrupt?
Every government in the world?

It doesn't make sense.
 
Nah that's just divisive thinking. I'm not your complete opposite. I'm not Krinkles complete opposite. I'm not ali's complete opposite. We're all just people. If you look at us as categories, you fail to see the people. I do that sometimes. I try not to.

Las Veghost grower said:
probably somewhere in the middle
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That's where most people exist, with the truth (more or less).

We just focus on what keeps us apart.

Throughout this discussion, I have very consistently stated that I don't think kids should be vaxxed. I'm not crazy pro-vax. Pretty much nobody is.

If you continue with your categorical perspective, you will always fail to hear me.
 
Las Veghost grower said:
one group says there is no foul play and the entities involved are doing the best they can
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I put it to you that that group doesn't exist on Bluelight.

EDIT: apologies, this is what I'm like on acid.
 
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The significance of this study is not merely that mRNA vaccines prevent your DNA from repairing itself which will cause immunological disorders, cancer and premature ageing. The problem is that the mRNA is going into your cell nuclei. That is straight up gene therapy – not vaccination. mRNA should go directly to the protein assembly plants in your cells called ribosomes, which it should instruct to manufacture the protein spikes. It should not be going anywhere near the cell nucleus. Entering the cell nucleus means it is performing or effectively performing reverse transcription and making itself a part of or an addition to your genetic code.

the vaccine is also now confirmed to be giving some people AIDS in the UK due to destorying their immune systems. This is linked to only 5% batches produced specific batches have been killing folk off.
 
birdup said:
Most people (at least on the pro-vax side) don't fall into those two categories.

I don't think anyone is saying governments or corporations are perfect. I normally assume corruption. I assume the same (maybe slightly more) corruption at play here.

The thing that separates us is: one group strongly believes that this moment in time is significantly more corrupt.

With all due respect, people in that camp aren't thinking clearly.

Who is significantly more corrupt?
Every government in the world?

It doesn't make sense.
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It makes sense when you consider it's a complex system and there can be many things happening at once. You also understand the power of one universal thing to influence world politics: MONEY.

It's difficult to quantify corruption concretely since it's a social phenomenon, but there is definitely corruption happening. How massive? Well, I would say this is one of the biggest scams in human history. Not the pandemic itself, because covid is real, but the data fudging, the one-solution vaccine programs, the suppression of all other inexpensive treatments, and the power grabs like vaccine passports. And now, vaccinating children 5-11, whose innate immune systems preclude them from getting covid in the first place.

SARs-CoV-2 is real and I have no problem with vaccines as one mitigation strategy... among many. But when they act like an experimental product is the only thing that works and then do mass purges of non-compliance on all levels of society - institutions, private sector, government sector and civil rights laws - in order to coerce compliance, there is a major problem. This is so clearly a power/cash grab. Like... suppressing antivirals. Maybe, at worst, they offer a 20% improvement on recovery. Why poo poo that? That 20% could mean the world to someone on a ventilator who is otherwise getting NO treatment.

What troubles me is that people are framing this as "sides"... like I am on one side, and you're on another. I'm not even an anti-vaxxer, I'm just pro-science... real, accredited, broadly-discussed science. The pandemic policy is not based on science as we know it. It's based on hamfisted bureaucracy with cherry picked info. The way science is supposed to work is, if ONE scientist has a credible observation, the rest of the scientific community is supposed to take that, replicate it, and, if the findings contradict the current understanding, modify the paradigm. We're not seeing that right now. Right now we hear mantras of "follow the science", and that should frighten everyone.
 
I certainly have contributed to division.

The term anti vaxxer no matter how appropriate it might seem isn't a helpful term.

My brain is too full of acid and other drugs to process new information adequately. Expect at least a 24 delay until my responses make sense.
 
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Yes on reflection that was innaccurate. I don't feel I really caused any significant division myself as such. Contention. Dispute. I am naturally a unifier, these are divisive times, where unification is impossible.

And I really was on another planet that day too. Seems so irrelevant now. Way bigger matters at stake now. Odds pretty heavily against but tbd still.
 
Foreigner said:
SARs-CoV-2 is real and I have no problem with vaccines as one mitigation strategy... among many. But when they act like an experimental product is the only thing that works and then do mass purges of non-compliance on all levels of society - institutions, private sector, government sector and civil rights laws - in order to coerce compliance, there is a major problem. This is so clearly a power/cash grab. Like... suppressing antivirals. Maybe, at worst, they offer a 20% improvement on recovery. Why poo poo that? That 20% could mean the world to someone on a ventilator who is otherwise getting NO treatment.
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no one is claiming that vaccines are the only way. people also still commonly mention self isolation if you've been in contact with someone whose tested positive, hand washing, masks, lockdowns, etc. there has been a multi pronged attack from the start that has continued after the vaccine rollout.

using the word 'experimental' for these vaccines at this point is specious. how many more billion people need to receive theirs before its not experimental?

your example of antivirals makes no sense- do you have data on the effectiveness of these, and if so can you link it? from what i've seen they aren't great, certainly way worse performing and they won't prevent transmission caused by infected people prior to presentation at hospital. hospital treatment for covid is vastly, vastly more expensive than vaccination. plus, you're then in hospital. are you really arguing that hospitalisation, ineffective drugs, and long term issues arising from infection should be considered on a par with vaccination as a management strategy?

the antivirals recently approved for use in the UK may be more effective, but certainly would meet your criteria for experimental if you consider vaccines that have been administered billions of times as experimental, so i presume you're against their use? also they are from a class of drugs known to commonly have severe side effects.

anti vaxxers are making so much more money for big pharma now. the drugs commonly given to people with severe covid are so expensive. but they are still stressing out doctors and taking hospital space from people whose illness is not self inflicted.
Foreigner said:
What troubles me is that people are framing this as "sides"... like I am on one side, and you're on another. I'm not even an anti-vaxxer, I'm just pro-science... real, accredited, broadly-discussed science. The pandemic policy is not based on science as we know it. It's based on hamfisted bureaucracy with cherry picked info. The way science is supposed to work is, if ONE scientist has a credible observation, the rest of the scientific community is supposed to take that, replicate it, and, if the findings contradict the current understanding, modify the paradigm. We're not seeing that right now. Right now we hear mantras of "follow the science", and that should frighten everyone.
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cos i totally agree re policy- over here in the UK its fucked. but that's the government.

you seem to have a very idealistic view of real science. no one repeats other peoples experiments. you don't get papers out of that. if the methodology seems cool you'll nick it and if it doesn't work maybe you'll repeat it, but in general, no one is replicating others work. we don't have the money to fund that. i don't agree with that, but i also wouldn't have stayed in research if i was just repeating other peoples work instead of doing original research. the science being done on COVID is, on a whole, more transparent than i have ever seen before in biomedical sciences. and its mostly of a very high standard, though some charlatans have tried to profit (hello ivermectin shillers....) that isn't representative of the total body of work this pandemic has produced.

if you are pro-science, honestly you'd get this vaccine unless you have a condition that prevents you from doing so or never, ever, interact with other human beings.
 
i prefer the term vaccine hesitant, as this allows for the possibility of change ever occuring.

i dont hold it against those people, i think it is totally understandable to hold that position, i just wish we weren't in this age of information bubbles and extreme distrust of authorities and experts that we have come to this reality.
 
"Those who are demanding forced vaccinations are simultaneously demanding mass slavery and total obedience to a death cult regime that’s now clearly engaged in acts of democide — death by government."

democide....i like that too :cool:


birdup said:
I put it to you that that group doesn't exist on Bluelight.

EDIT: apologies, this is what I'm like on acid.
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Yes it does...they just mostly gave up in this thread....but i see chinup has returned :)
 
TripSitterNZ said:
The significance of this study is not merely that mRNA vaccines prevent your DNA from repairing itself which will cause immunological disorders, cancer and premature ageing. The problem is that the mRNA is going into your cell nuclei. That is straight up gene therapy – not vaccination. mRNA should go directly to the protein assembly plants in your cells called ribosomes, which it should instruct to manufacture the protein spikes. It should not be going anywhere near the cell nucleus. Entering the cell nucleus means it is performing or effectively performing reverse transcription and making itself a part of or an addition to your genetic code.

the vaccine is also now confirmed to be giving some people AIDS in the UK due to destorying their immune systems. This is linked to only 5% batches produced specific batches have been killing folk off.
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So yea - there's the thought that they're possibly damaging the immune system in other areas of protection...so you may be slightly protected from covid, but your immune system is weaker overall...which would be immune deficiency

and that is possible and just another reason to sit it out for as long as you can to see how it all still unfolds
 
I can appreciate the whole there are no sides we’re all people find the humanity Kumbaya ect. Type stuff, but let’s be real there are sides, when a line in the sand is drawn you have to pick a side …
 
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