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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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I don't understand the narrative that potentially valid therapies are being suppressed. There is a lot of crap data from small and underpowered trials which unfortunately are useless for providing information in which to base decisions on.

If you look at trials with sufficient enrollment to produce statistical power (ie solidarity, recovery, remap-cap, principle and others with enrollment in the thousands and comparisons of new interventions with standard of care) many drugs have been tested and their efficacy demonstrated relative to standards of care. Below is a list of some of the larger trials conducted and their trad outs in some compounds investigated.

Fluvoxamine - reduces risk of severe covid (possibly via sigma 1a agonism) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(21)00448-4/fulltext

Principle trial https://www.principletrial.org/results

Currently investigating ivermectin and favapiravir

Budesonide - corticosteroid that can be inhaled. Reduces mortality.

Azithromycin- no benefit

Doxycycline - no benefit

Colchine - no benefit

Solidarity trial

remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon beta-1a - no benefit

Recovery trial

Aspirin, azithromycin, colchine, convalescent plasma, lopinavir+ritonavir, hydroxychloroquine- no effect


The results of these trials indicate that there is a pretty robust search for repurposed anti-covid therapies, not a cover-up meant to maintain a monopoly on vaccinations or expensive drugs.

The trial looking at fluvoxamine for example was ended early due to robust results (so that patients in the placebo arm could receive treatment).

The difficult thing in this pandemic is separating signal from noise. There has been a glut of bad science, with groups pushing out underpowered trials lacking controls due to a sense of urgency (or possibly because the editorial bar has been lowered in journals when covid is a topic). Rather than providing insights though this data has muddied the waters and caused multiple red herrings to seriously waste time and resources resulting in quite a bit of death.
 
Yeah, that makes sense.

One reason the governments of the world probably aren't going to go out their way to fast-track approval for ivermectin like they did for the vaccines: they bought a shitload of vaccines already. I think this is more likely the explanation than vaccines being more profitable for the companies that developed them, although I wouldn't be surprised if that was a factor.

Either way, I think we'll start seeing a range of options available next year.
One thing Iv thought about is the potential for kickbacks, say a government official makes a deal with a pharma company that will increase the need for people to get the vaccine and decrease the speed which new potential treatments are tested and released to the public and in that deal say the pharma company or a entity with ties to the company buy a really expensive piece of “art” as payment, or some other way to cleverly transfer funds…does stuff like this go on behind closed doors, I sure hope not maybe it’s just my conspiracy theorist brain at work
 
we would all tune in if leading anti-vaxx voices had a debate with the pro-vaxx leaders on primetime TV

the open uncensored discussion is what an advanced society should be having and it's not happening

censorship is the first step to any dictatorship and everybody knows that....and that's what's happening - so it's alarming and will continue to cause great mistrust of pharmaceutical companies and government who both already have a bad reputation from their own checkered past
 
Also it came about through gov't grants (our taxes)
cost to make = $17
cost to buy = $700 +

Whatta deal huh?


did you read this part:

The safety and efficacy of Pradaxa for treating blood clots in patients younger than 18 was evaluated in one study of 267 pediatric patients.


so they only did 1 tiny study and fast tracked it out....i wonder why :unsure:
 
You're not forbidden. Ivermectin trials are underway for COVID. They started some time after the vaccine trials. Once the trials are complete, it will be approved.

not in so many words but we're being "discouraged". it not being officially approved means doctors risk losing their practice if they administer it.

but that's nothing new around here, we're used to bureaucrats getting between patients and their doctors.

I find it odd that many of you guys (not sure if you said this thujone, but lots of people have) called the vaccine unapproved then complained that you can't have something else that is unapproved?

Also, show me the maths that indicates invermectin is so much more effective than the vaccines. The efficacy appears to be similar.

We don't know exactly the efficacy of Invermectin because of the mixed results from studies so far. What is known is that it has milder potential side-effects than the vaccines have been showing.

The point is we should at least have the choice to evaluate the risk and make our own life and death decisions. But our authoritative governments have decided that they must coerce us into vaccination for our own good... and, well, it appears they are trying to marginalize those who have been killed by the vaccine side-effects.

What if this turns out to not be the best course of action? Who will take responsibility for those that died or were crippled as a direct result of having taken the vaccine?

Relative to what?

To previous vaccines in common usage. VAERS has been in use long enough to track a number of them and the COVID vaccines are outliers. There have also been many reports of severe effects from the two mostly vaccinated countries - Israel and Italy.

I think this is what healthcare workers are seeing at the coalface - people flooding into ER with severe, mysterious ailments that started after the vaccines

 
not in so many words but we're being "discouraged". it not being officially approved means doctors risk losing their practice if they administer it.

but that's nothing new around here, we're used to bureaucrats getting between patients and their doctors.



We don't know exactly the efficacy of Invermectin because of the mixed results from studies so far. What is known is that it has milder potential side-effects than the vaccines have been showing.

The point is we should at least have the choice to evaluate the risk and make our own life and death decisions. But our authoritative governments have decided that they must coerce us into vaccination for our own good... and, well, it appears they are trying to marginalize those who have been killed by the vaccine side-effects.

What if this turns out to not be the best course of action? Who will take responsibility for those that died or were crippled as a direct result of having taken the vaccine?



To previous vaccines in common usage. VAERS has been in use long enough to track a number of them and the COVID vaccines are outliers. There have also been many reports of severe effects from the two mostly vaccinated countries - Israel and Italy.

I think this is what healthcare workers are seeing at the coalface - people flooding into ER with severe, mysterious ailments that started after the vaccines

I always thought the fact so many healthcare workers don’t want the vax should be pretty eye opening, what are they hearing and seeing on a daily basis…
 
I always thought the fact so many healthcare workers don’t want the vax should be pretty eye opening, what are they hearing and seeing on a daily basis…

It seems like there are "so many", but there are millions of doctors, so if you hear about, say, 50, or 100, it seems like a lot, but it's a miniscule fraction. Many, many more healthcare workers are urging people to get vaccinated and describing horrifying experiences they've had treating covid patients.
 
It seems like there are "so many", but there are millions of doctors, so if you hear about, say, 50, or 100, it seems like a lot, but it's a miniscule fraction. Many, many more healthcare workers are urging people to get vaccinated and describing horrifying experiences they've had treating covid patients.
That is a solid point…but I’m gonna go with no anyway
 
they made an anti-dote for the anti-dote

that's racketeering
I dare say you are a braver man than myself. I applaud you for that and a whole lot more.

I messed up bad again yesterday. Now, I have broken some ribs in my back!

Ungaugable Benzo doses due to powder clinging to the near empty bottle, stirred up and 5 mg's could be upwards of 30.

So it's never intentional and more of a practical inconsistency factor which must be addressed because this was the wake up all and it's a miracle I am alive still after that was actually only the beginning of yesterday evenings blackout events the rest is almost too shameful to tell the bits of it I have been able to piece together and find clues of this morning and hear my mum's side who was especially especially infuriated to a level words cannot portray.

But it is please me in the midst of this earlier in the most deeply depressed state I didn't think humans could experience to see you still bravely and so righteously making solidly well-founded relevant points here for those who still fail to see.

Where I failed miserably you are doing a grand job. They can't get rid of you quite so easily as a madnit like me either Lol 🙂
 
I just heard that there is a new death move in Mortal Kombat 6.

With Covid lol.

And with vaccine (Which thank you for pointing out in black-and-white so it didn't appear to make sense to one member who has pleanty sufficient Internet I would have imagined to see the simple since there) The actual status of the whole definition thing and the way the sly canning bastards modified it but at least now we can all just say "vaccine" really I'd rather say "lying bastard's jab. 🙂
 
This is the sort of thing I'd be worried about. Maybe not even that they intentionally created a bad vaccine to get people dependent on the boosters, but that it could cause ADE or damage the immune system when given repeatedly and they just don't realize it. Vaccines usually aren't given anywhere near as often as this, and this is highly unusual to me considering the fact that immunity is still strong.

Honestly, there's no way in hell that I'm carrying around a vaccine card or going through the whole "show me your papers" sort of BS some folks are pushing these days. That shit scares me more than the virus really. I mean, at the end of the day, I'd genuinely rather get coronavirus and die than live in a fucking dictatorship. Seriously. I wouldn't be too quick to assume that the vaccine manufacturers are actually TRYING to create a dangerous product. But that doesn't mean they won't.

Keep in mind that the vaccine is created by companies that literally make Fentanyl. I'm not implying that the vaccine is that dangerous, but there are shades of grey when it comes to these things of course. Some medications they sell are safe, and some most definitely have major, major risks associated with their use even when taken as prescribed. Sometimes, it does ultimately turn out that the risks of a new drug outweigh the benefits. Would that eventually end up being the case if they keep recommending booster after booster? We probably don't know yet.
Exactly my thoughts as well. They are a large evil corporation creating a product they are making billions on, and have zero liabilities for. And now they are coercing millions of people into being in their phase 3 trials. Modernas stock has just taken some huge hits, so I’m hoping they are going to stop pushing these medical apartheid policies the establishment has been pushing.
What’s worst is establishment political lemmings are like these pharmaceutical companies own personal advocates trying to act like this is some moral issue, and not a very real health issue. My health is too important to me and I couldn’t afford a vaccine injury so I will do w/e necessary to avoid being in the trials.
 
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