Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[birdup]

That's because the definition of a "vaccine" was changed prior to the release of the current covid shot menu

Huh?

@Mr. Krinkle

If you're going to claim the deaths are being significantly miscounted, you have to account for the fact that the reported deaths from COVID-19 in the USA coincide with excess deaths for 2020/2021. I've said this to you before. Either you have an explanation for this, or you don't. So far, nobody has even offered a poor explanation. Just crickets.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

 

[birdup]

Well, that's a load of bullshit.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

So you see, people are accustomed to the definition of a vaccine meaning you're immune

so when you get the measles vaccine, you should expect not to catch the measles right?

when you get the polio vaccine, you shouldn't be catching polio 2 months later....

right? that's what we expect when we hear "vaccine"

so that's why anti-vaxxers point to all of those positive breakthrough cases and say they don't work

 

[birdup]

Considering how long we've been discussing vaccines, I would have thought we'd have gotten past the definition of the word by now.

 

[Fire&Water]

Probably because we have a bunch of fat fucks here who eat garbage and we count anything as a covid death - if you die from cancer, and test poistive from covid, that's a covid death

wanna talk about how inaccurate the testing also is? yesterday, 13 Giants football players tested positive, all re-tested, only 1 positive....so you have that happening too

All true ...

 

[thujone]

Quebec and Ontario backpedal on vax mandate plans for healthcare workers -

COVID-19 updates, Nov. 3: Quebec backtracks on mandatory vaccination for health workers

Unvaccinated employees must undergo mandatory testing at least three times per week at government expense, or they will be suspended without pay, Dubé says.

montrealgazette.com

thousands of healthcare workers said NYET to jab. what do they know that we don't?

Sharp Reductions in COVID-19 Case Fatalities and Excess Deaths in Peru in Close Time Conjunction, State-By-State, with Ivermectin Treatments

Sharp Reductions in COVID-19 Case Fatalities and Excess Deaths in Peru in Close Time Conjunction, State-By-State, with Ivermectin Treatments

On May 8, 2020, Peru’s Ministry of Health approved ivermectin (IVM) for the treatment of COVID-19. A drug of Nobel Prize-honored distinction, IVM has been safel

papers.ssrn.com

The effect of early treatment with ivermectin on viral load, symptoms and humoral response in patients with non-severe COVID-19: A pilot, double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trial

The effect of early treatment with ivermectin on viral load, symptoms and humoral response in patients with non-severe COVID-19: A pilot, double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trial

Ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro at concentrations not readily achievable with currently approved doses. There is limited evidence to support its clinical use in COVID-19 patients. We conducted a Pilot, randomized, double-blind, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

we are forbidden from being treated safe, effective treatment in favour of a vaccine with poor efficacy and very high rates of serious adverse effects. doctors have been sanctioned and forbidden from practice for even attempting it. why???

 

[birdup]

we are forbidden from being treated safe, effective treatment in favour of a vaccine with poor efficacy and very high rates of serious adverse effects. doctors have been sanctioned and forbidden from practice for even attempting it. why???

You're not forbidden. Ivermectin trials are underway for COVID. They started some time after the vaccine trials. Once the trials are complete, it will be approved.

I find it odd that many of you guys (not sure if you said this thujone, but lots of people have) called the vaccine unapproved then complained that you can't have something else that is unapproved?

Also, show me the maths that indicates invermectin is so much more effective than the vaccines. The efficacy appears to be similar.

very high rates of serious adverse effects

Relative to what?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

@birdup

and if it doesn't provide immunity, which is a fact, it does not - then it's not the answer and you can't vaccinate your way out of this with the current vaccine menu - and im not sure if a vaccine will ever be the answer - not smack dab in the middle of a pandemic - that's probably another mistake being made


now how much did we alter the course of the disease? it's already expected throughout the science community that covid will in fact eventually mutate and completely evade the "vaccines" ability to help protect against severe symptoms

so if it's not the answer, then mandates are a problem

you tell me "it's safe" and if it's so safe, why can't they back that claim and drop the liability immunity?

if something goes wrong post-vaccination, im on my own - and that's wrong - you don't do that if we're all on the same team...i have your back and you have mine - that's how it works - if it doesn't work like that, i don't have your back, so i think not about that team, i think about myself or build my own team - so anybody who calls that selfish is a hypocrite because you want me to have your back but you don't have mine....so then who's really selfish? do you think im an idiot?

they won't even cover my co-pay if something goes wrong - it's all on me - making me pay is just adding insult to injury - it's a slap in the face

 

[birdup]

@Mr. Krinkle

There's two issues you're talking about. Vaccine efficacy and mandates. I'm not going to argue with you about mandates. I'm only interested in discussing vaccine efficacy. Your opinions about mandates are valid. I'm not going to tell you what to do. You are, however, posting misinformation about the efficacy of the vaccines.

I never told you it was safe. I've never described any of the vaccines as safe.

it's already expected throughout the science community that covid will in fact eventually mutate and completely evade the "vaccines" ability to help protect against severe symptoms

Sure, it will mutate like the flu and we will develop and adjust the vaccines accordingly.

if it doesn't provide immunity, which is a fact, it does not - then it's not the answer and you can't vaccinate your way out of this with the current vaccine menu - and im not sure if a vaccine will ever be the answer

It does provide some immunity. None of the trials ever suggested that it would be 100% effective. The flu shots are like 50% effective on average.

You CAN vaccinate your way out of this. NSW has done it. You are just shoving your head in the sand and refusing to look at what I am showing you.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

@Mr. Krinkle


You CAN vaccinate your way out of this. NSW has done it. You are just shoving your head in the sand and refusing to look at what I am showing you.

I told you already bird - talk to me in 6 months on that issue

nobody's vaccinated their way out of this yet

nobody

so if and when they do - come talk to me about it

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

FDA approves first oral blood thinning medication for children

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved Pradaxa (dabigatran etexilate) oral pellets

www.worldpharmanews.com

look at this coincidence

just a few months before the vaxx rollout for kids 5 to 11 they approve a blood clotting medication for kids of the same exact age

that's what i call a racket

 

[birdup]

I told you already bird - talk to me in 6 months on that issue

nobody's vaccinated their way out of this yet

nobody

so if and when they do - come talk to me about it

You will find a way not to listen in 6 months.

I'm going to have a sleep now.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

You're not forbidden. Ivermectin trials are underway for COVID. They started some time after the vaccine trials. Once the trials are complete, it will be approved.

I find it odd that many of you guys (not sure if you said this thujone, but lots of people have) called the vaccine unapproved then complained that you can't have something else that is unapproved?

One big difference is ivermectin has been around a long time and proven safe for humans, the vax hasnt been around a long time and didn’t go through an appropriate length time trial phases…so worst case for the ivermectin is it just doesn't work…we have different opinions but I can tel you are clearly an intelligent person bird, so you have to acknowledge that there is a possibility that in 5 years there could be a big problem with the vax that would lead to a huge law suit like a lot of medications, well not a law suit cause the already made that impossible

 

[birdup]

Yeah, that makes sense.

One reason the governments of the world probably aren't going to go out their way to fast-track approval for ivermectin like they did for the vaccines: they bought a shitload of vaccines already. I think this is more likely the explanation than vaccines being more profitable for the companies that developed them, although I wouldn't be surprised if that was a factor.

Either way, I think we'll start seeing a range of options available next year.

 

[Fire&Water]

FDA approves first oral blood thinning medication for children

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved Pradaxa (dabigatran etexilate) oral pellets

www.worldpharmanews.com

look at this coincidence

just a few months before the vaxx rollout for kids 5 to 11 they approve a blood clotting medication for kids of the same exact age

that's what i call a racket

Also it came about through gov't grants (our taxes)
cost to make = $17
cost to buy = $700 +

Whatta deal huh?

 

[Las Veghost grower]

FDA approves first oral blood thinning medication for children

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved Pradaxa (dabigatran etexilate) oral pellets

www.worldpharmanews.com

look at this coincidence

just a few months before the vaxx rollout for kids 5 to 11 they approve a blood clotting medication for kids of the same exact age

that's what i call a racket

I believe San Francisco? Just made a mandate that all kids 5-11 have to be fully vaccinated In the next couple months and will have to show proof of vax to go to restraunts gyms or most public places…shits criminal

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Also it came about through gov't grants (our taxes)
cost to make = $17
cost to buy = $700 +

Whatta deal huh?

Well the could have charges 1000+, so there is that…

 

[Fire&Water]

True dat

 

[LandsUnknown]

ADE and other side effects essentially compromise your immune system to the point where you are dependent on boosters. It will be subscription health, and the people that remain pure blood will be ostracized to an extreme level.

The biggest red pill is seeing who isn’t required to get the vaccines. Congress, the pharma companies, banking institutions, etc etc

This is the sort of thing I'd be worried about. Maybe not even that they intentionally created a bad vaccine to get people dependent on the boosters, but that it could cause ADE or damage the immune system when given repeatedly and they just don't realize it. Vaccines usually aren't given anywhere near as often as this, and this is highly unusual to me considering the fact that immunity is still strong.

Honestly, there's no way in hell that I'm carrying around a vaccine card or going through the whole "show me your papers" sort of BS some folks are pushing these days. That shit scares me more than the virus really. I mean, at the end of the day, I'd genuinely rather get coronavirus and die than live in a fucking dictatorship. Seriously. I wouldn't be too quick to assume that the vaccine manufacturers are actually TRYING to create a dangerous product. But that doesn't mean they won't.

Keep in mind that the vaccine is created by companies that literally make Fentanyl. I'm not implying that the vaccine is that dangerous, but there are shades of grey when it comes to these things of course. Some medications they sell are safe, and some most definitely have major, major risks associated with their use even when taken as prescribed. Sometimes, it does ultimately turn out that the risks of a new drug outweigh the benefits. Would that eventually end up being the case if they keep recommending booster after booster? We probably don't know yet.