Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[AutoTripper]

Unless you're immortal, yes: there is a chance of dying when you take any new medication or undergo any medical procedure or drive a car or have sex or do essentially anything.

@AutoTripper

In that context yes.

But this is my point what I'm suggesting is that maybe it is not actually normal as in how things originally were could be and would be without potential meddling, intefering, hacking our biology and DNA to make us unnaturally mortal, Or at least considerably more so like there are ancient tablets recording the ruling of various kings in ancient history lasting up to hundreds of thousands of years.

Maybe we were not always so mortal, or even mortal at all.

It was in that hypothetical sense I am suggesting it is not necessarily normal again in a particular context for us to die.

 

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there are ancient tablets recording the ruling of various kings in ancient history lasting up to hundreds of thousands of years

Link?

I've looked into this before and found it to be not very compelling.

EDIT: Do you believe we evolved from cousins of the ape family?

 

[AutoTripper]

Not sure if we have the same definition of preventative or if I'm missing something. How often do you have to take invermectin? Surely more often than vaccines?

EDIT: Did some reading on invermectin. Looks promising, but it's not yet approved. The trials started after the vaccine trials. If it proves effective, it will probably be approved. I don't see why not. It doesn't seem to be more effective than the vaccines and it has also caused numerous deaths... plus, to answer my question above, you have to have a shitload of doses.

The ivermectin, When I say preventative what I mean is basically preventing more than a mild case and any serious illness or lasting symptoms it also has been reported fairly widely as being successful at eliminating long Covid as well.

They will not approve it because it works and they can't patent it and The lost wish is for people to not believe they need a vaccine and that is the only way to manage out of the situation and save lives.

Same with N.AC. 60 yrs widely used highly regarded otc health supplement, supports lung health and more, There were accounts of it being effective in treating Covid so the FDA began trials on it and within very short time of the 60 years to the real dismay of many medical patients for whom this supplement has been another life line with no negative side-effects, N.A.C Has now been officially banned from public purchase.

This is how they work.

The electromedicine I don't care if people get sick of me saying it because nobody else here knows anything about it has experienced it has my own particular extreme needs as a result of virtually no immunity and his life and survival has depended upon it with success for many years and which I and they the bastards know full well is the ultimate method of very safely and quickly killing pneumonia and any type of respiratory infection and this is one treatment they would definitely be exploring optimising and providing if genuine care was their interest and motive.

The other measures I spoke about nutritional balancing maximising levels of zinc and vitamin D and iron and B vitamins is a genuine preventative measure even if it just makes for a very mild quick passing case which doesn't develop further which has been reported again widely.

None of these measures are risky and do not cause any harm to anybody the first rule of the true physician has always been "do no harm."

If these jabs are seriously injuring and killing thousands of people then it stands to firm reason that they are causing harm to everybody except it just is not manifesting apparently and displaying it self like somebody can take something and be massively health compromised and another can seem to ride with it because they have enough resistance and immune integrity to hold off serious side effects, And I truly hope in the long run and course of time avoid them entirely.

 

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Who is they? Really think about that question.

The ivermectin, When I say preventative what I mean is basically preventing more than a mild case and any serious illness or lasting symptoms it also has been reported fairly widely as being successful at eliminating long Covid as well.

Having done some reading on the shameful trip home from the bowling alley (I rolled less than 100 today)... ivermectin actually also appears to prevent infection.

There is no evidence that electromedicine is going to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed in unvaccinated populations. I'm not going to take your word for it any more than you're going to take my word for anything.

There's so much misinformation out there and the information is only the information they (there's that word again) want you to see.

So, who are they?

Are there no good people working in any government?

Are there no good people working the pharmaceutical industry?

Are there no good doctors?

My perspective is optimistic, maybe naively so. It doesn't do me any good to be super negative about the world and assume widespread conspiracy. It doesn't promote good mental or spiritual health.

I don't understand why vaccines are so horrible and ivermectin isn't?

I don't understand why you guys reject all mainstream educated opinions while at the same time (seemingly blindly) accepting anything that supports your narrative as gospel?

Krinkle has posted like half a dozen articles now, at least, that he hasn't read.

Ask yourself: why are you so eager to believe the vaccines are garbage?

I understand not liking the mandates. I understand not wanting to get jabbed. I don't understand people insisting something is true without a reasonable argument to support what they're saying, contrary to data and medical science at large.

Ivermectin might be a good alternative. It is a slippery slope forcing people to get injected with something that might kill them. I get that. There are risks. But that doesn't make the vaccines less effective than they are. It doesn't change reality.

@Mr. Krinkle

You didn't respond about Israel. You've been posting shit about Israel for months. Their death rate is 40% the death rate of the USA. If the USA did what Israel did, you guys would have prevented roughly 500,000 deaths.

 

[AutoTripper]

Who is they? Really think about that question.



Having done some reading on the shameful trip home from the bowling alley (I rolled less than 100 today)... ivermectin actually also appears to prevent infection.

There is no evidence that electromedicine is going to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed in unvaccinated populations. I'm not going to take your word for it any more than you're going to take my word for anything.

There's so much misinformation out there and the information is only the information they (there's that word again) want you to see.

So, who are they?

Are there no good people working in any government?

Are there no good people working the pharmaceutical industry?

Are there no good doctors?

My perspective is optimistic, maybe naively so. It doesn't do me any good to be super negative about the world and assume widespread conspiracy. It doesn't promote good mental or spiritual health.

I don't understand why vaccines are so horrible and ivermectin isn't?

I don't understand why you guys reject all mainstream educated opinions while at the same time (seemingly blindly) accepting anything that supports your narrative as gospel?

Krinkle has posted like half a dozen articles now, at least, that he hasn't read.

Ask yourself: why are you so eager to believe the vaccines are garbage?

I understand not liking the mandates. I understand not wanting to get jabbed. I don't understand people insisting something is true without a reasonable argument to support what they're saying, contrary to data and medical science at large.

Ivermectin might be a good alternative. It is a slippery slope forcing people to get injected with something that might kill them. I get that. There are risks. But that doesn't make the vaccines less effective than they are. It doesn't change reality.

@Mr. Krinkle

You didn't respond about Israel. You've been posting shit about Israel for months. Their death rate is 40% the death rate of the USA. If the USA did what Israel did, you guys would have prevented roughly 500,000 deaths.

I don't reject or refuse to accept or listen to anything you say for the record I respect you but we just don't have anywhere near aligning views and beliefs on certain political matters unfortunately.

You ask fair questions all the time very politely and I will always answer if I feel I can offer something adequate I'm not mentally competent right now or generally to do fairness to those above because these are deep topics regarding who them are I'm not saying I know and have proof and regarding electromedicine I don't expect you to take my word but it's a shame because you know that I'm not completely crazy and my word at least is true reporting things which are outside of conjecture such as my own direct experience with illness and infections and allergies, This electromedicine has already saved me from pneumonia three times in the past 3 1/2 weeks of this influenza as it has done every other time it's also saved me from having a potentially severe case of respiratory Covid in 2020 which I reported.

Had I not had such a treatment for either then either the pneumonia would have certainly killed me eventually no exaggeration because my respiratory infections are abnormally severe because of the lyme immune impairment and allergies this is why I have explored these alternative avenues as a matter of necessity and they have been my lifeline hence the passion I testify and report with.

Basically applying this treatment for example last week my pneumonia was at a level where I was so debilitated I felt sick to fatigue is to move suffocating unable to relax extremely uncomfortable and 24 hours would have been held to get through impossible to sleep I've been there before.

Less than two hours treatment with the electromedicine it was only five minutes on the upper chest area And I already felt enormous relief which got better with each section I treated and was then firmly under control for three days until a massive stress elevated things again but it's back under control now after some successive treatments I'm just not doing anywhere nearly enough treatments currently because I have been too wasted for probably a few months now to get much together that is the nature of psychedelic over use.

And also I am not eager to believe the vaccines are garbage it's the other way round I wish with all my heart I was on the other side and all evidence and clever people world over supported this and we saw only positive evidence and I could trust the media which I do not one piece.

 

[JGrimez]

Not sure if we have the same definition of preventative or if I'm missing something. How often do you have to take invermectin? Surely more often than vaccines?

EDIT: Did some reading on invermectin. Looks promising, but it's not yet approved. The trials started after the vaccine trials. If it proves effective, it will probably be approved. I don't see why not. It doesn't seem to be more effective than the vaccines and it has also caused numerous deaths... plus, to answer my question above, you have to have a shitload of doses.

It's effective and it's not approved. It won a Nobel Prize and was on the list of the WHO's most essential drugs. The issue is it's generic/off-label now so big pharma can't make a ton of money. And if it's effective then they can't mandate vaccines. So they demonize the drug - like CNN lying by omission by calling it "horse dewormer" - and restrict people from taking it (at times threatening doctors), almost as if it's their goal to exacerbate the problem. I've seen a video of a pharmacist refusing to fill a script (that was written by a doctor) because they said you were not allowed to treat covid with ivermectin. A medication that's been taken billions of times safely over decades, no you can't take that. But you can take and trust these vaccines... $$$

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

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DeSantis: Florida's COVID case rate is now the lowest in America

Great news, but he’s taking credit for the steep decline in cases in Florida after he spent August insisting that he bore no blame for the brutal Delta surge the case endured. Which, yes, that&#...

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why don't you explain this? they were on fire in August, breaking records for covid cases, and now they're the lowest

it's the same shit - they don't even wear masks in Florida and the governor there outlawed vaccine mandates


let me quote this for you in that article:

"And sometimes they experience surges for no discernible reason. At the same time Florida was mired in COVID misery in August, Oregon was too — despite the fact that its governor took to mandating masks outdoors in the name of limiting transmission. Why would Oregon and Florida be hit at the same time when they’re on opposite ends of the country and have very different climates? *Shrug* COVID waves are mysterious. Why they hit hard when they do and then rapidly diminish after a stretch of high transmission still isn’t fully clear to science."

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I don't understand why you guys reject all mainstream educated opinions while at the same time (seemingly blindly) accepting anything that supports your narrative as gospel?

Bird, you refuse to understand - that's why you don't understand the other point of view

here - this is why a lot of ppl don't trust mainstream media:





is that hard to understand, bird?

i mean cmon - the problem is you, not everybody else

 

[thujone]

Science is the religion of the globalist technocratic state. Salvation is the end of the pandemic and we were promised that science is the only way.

It is now becoming common knowledge that vaccines neither stop the spread of COVID nor provide adequate protection against dying of COVID. I wonder how much longer I will have to hold out before the mandates are overturned due to the basis for them being complete bullshit.

 

[AutoTripper]

Real life footage of life in Canada it appears.

 

[thujone]

throw in an empty tim horton's cup and a roll of hockey tape and that's canada in a nutshell there bud

 

[JGrimez]

Science is the religion of the globalist technocratic state. Salvation is the end of the pandemic and we were promised that science is the only way.

It is now becoming common knowledge that vaccines neither stop the spread of COVID nor provide adequate protection against dying of COVID. I wonder how much longer I will have to hold out before the mandates are overturned due to the basis for them being complete bullshit.

That's my take on it. The rules and laws are changing so rapidly these days on a whim so anything can happen - but you cannot un-vaccinate yourself.

 

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Too much stuff to reply to.

@Mr. Krinkle

I don't not understand because I don't want to. I don't think that's fair. I've tried to understand your position, but - whenever you hit a brick wall - you disengage, which makes it quite difficult. Maybe you responded to the Israel stuff. Maybe you have an explanation for NSW. I haven't read everything yet, but I skimmed it and it doesn't seem like you have an explanation for either situation?

Is it better for an extra half million people to die?

Florida

Not sure what you're asking me about Florida, exactly.

they were on fire in August, breaking records for covid cases, and now they're the lowest

Total positive test cases = 3 million
Population of Florida = 21.48 million
% of pop tested positive = 14%

There will be some asymptomatic cases in there that didn't get a positive test. When I estimated the NSW numbers, I generously (to your argument) multiplied the positive test numbers by 3. Again, here, I will be generous. Let's assume the actual case numbers in August were around 5 million.

Vaccination rate for Florida (August, 2021) = 50% fully vaccinated.

5 million / 21.48 million = an estimated 23% with natural immunity

50% + 23% = 73%. That is assuming no overlap, but it is also not taking into account people who have received one dose... So, it's okay for a ballpark I think.

So, there's 73% in August.

Fast forward to October, there are an extra 0.7 million cases that test positive mostly among unvaccinated people. Let's call it 6 million total at this point, which is 28% of the state.

The vaccination rate in October is 60%.

Using the same (flawed) maths, we get a total of 88% who are either vaccinated or have natural immunity which is the same number in NSW when the cases started falling after an initial surge among the unvaccinated.

Through a combination of natural immunity and vaccinated individuals, Florida has reached herd immunity.

 

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Thinking about getting my booster soon. I had my second Astra jab in June. I wish I could have a 3rd because I know I'm not gonna have a reaction to AZ but it is no longer approved for use on Australia. Lots of family members have had Pfizer too and nobody has had any reaction at all... So I'm not worried. I have good genes. I hardly get sick when I have the flu. I went to work full time for a week when I had full blown pneumonia, but I was younger then. I probably don't need any jabs but my mother is another story. I don't want to get her sick... And I'm not 100% convinced I am safe from the virus either.

I was afraid when I had the first jab. The second, I was fine. I will be afraid again when I have my third one. It's weird to think of it as Russian Roulette which is what it is.

 

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@thujone

It is now becoming common knowledge that vaccines neither stop the spread of COVID nor provide adequate protection against dying of COVID.

What % efficacy is adequate?
Seems pretty effective to me.

Anti-vaxxers keep counting active cases among the unvaccinated as evidence that the vaccines don't work.

 

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I think the cove is some kind of evil scheme that was thought up by the lizard people by Queen Elizabeth is Elizabeth person and she's a grooming around the Galaxy zapping people with in mind powers and shed and we can't trust her and I can't trust any of them that's all some kind of crazy conspiracy if you really think about it like if you really try to process what's going on and you start getting tapped into the reality of it and the reality is disturbing and it's real and spreading throughout the Galaxy like some kind of wildfire.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

i like their national anthem

Too much stuff to reply to.

@Mr. Krinkle

I don't not understand because I don't want to. I don't think that's fair. I've tried to understand your position, but - whenever you hit a brick wall - you disengage, which makes it quite difficult. Maybe you responded to the Israel stuff. Maybe you have an explanation for NSW. I haven't read everything yet, but I skimmed it and it doesn't seem like you have an explanation for either situation?

Is it better for an extra half million people to die?

Sometimes i don't fully understand your questions or you're just simply asking me a question that the science community can't even answer....so im supposed to have that answer?

you didn't like when i told you covid keeps coming in waves when that is what's happening....why? idk - neither does anybody else

ask me 1 question at a time too - you had a list of 15+ questions in another post....


is it better for an extra half million ppl to die?

is that what's about to happen? how do you know that's what's gonna happen? you don't....so i should answer that question? see what im saying?

 

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@Mr. Krinkle

I didn't ask you 15 questions in one post. They tend to accumulate, though, because you don't answer any of them. I respond to most of your comments. I try to respond to everything like I did with the Florida thing and the article you posted that supposedly said boosters last 12 days.

I'm not asking you questions that the scientific community can't answer. I don't even know what you mean by that. I am asking you to explain your position. Why you believe A as opposed to B.

As for the 500,000 extra people. I'm referring to Israel.

You keep pointing to Israel, but you're ignoring the fact that their death rate is approximately 40% of the US death rate. The US is approaching 800,000 deaths from COVID. If you did what Israel did, you would have half a million less deaths. So, I'm not sure why you keep pointing at Israel. The country has been much more successful than the USA in battling this virus.

If you don't understand a question you can ask me to clarify it if you like. I'm happy to do so. I don't expect you to answer these questions because there is no sensible explanation.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

@thujone



What % efficacy is adequate?
Seems pretty effective to me.

Anti-vaxxers keep counting active cases among the unvaccinated as evidence that the vaccines don't work.

That's because the definition of a "vaccine" was changed prior to the release of the current covid shot menu

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

@Mr. Krinkle

I didn't ask you 15 questions in one post. They tend to accumulate, though, because you don't answer any of them. I respond to most of your comments. I try to respond to everything like I did with the Florida thing and the article you posted that supposedly said boosters last 12 days.

I'm not asking you questions that the scientific community can't answer. I don't even know what you mean by that. I am asking you to explain your position. Why you believe A as opposed to B.

As for the 500,000 extra people. I'm referring to Israel.

You keep pointing to Israel, but you're ignoring the fact that their death rate is approximately 40% of the US death rate. The US is approaching 800,000 deaths from COVID. If you did what Israel did, you would have half a million less deaths. So, I'm not sure why you keep pointing at Israel. The country has been much more successful than the USA in battling this virus.

If you don't understand a question you can ask me to clarify it if you like. I'm happy to do so. I don't expect you to answer these questions because there is no sensible explanation.

Probably because we have a bunch of fat fucks here who eat garbage and we count anything as a covid death - if you die from cancer, and test poistive from covid, that's a covid death

wanna talk about how inaccurate the testing also is? yesterday, 13 Giants football players tested positive, all re-tested, only 1 positive....so you have that happening too