Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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Waning immunity from vaccines is a different argument. I'm not super positive about being a pin cushion.

Would you agree that the vaccines are working now?

Waves isn't really a sensible explanation for what is occurring.

There is either a mystery force at play or the jabs work (for now) in NSW.

Right?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Waning immunity from vaccines is a different argument. I'm not super positive about being a pin cushion.

Would you agree that the vaccines are working now?

Waves isn't really a sensible explanation for what is occurring.

There is either a mystery force at play or the jabs work (for now) in NSW.

Right?

Im gonna say no for now based on what other highly vaccinated countries have gone through already

you can blame that on waning immunity, but that just means the shots don't work very well after 30 days, but inside 30 days is also where you're seeing most adverse events being reported, so to me, the risks outweight the benefits

 

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Can you show me any maths on the risks outweighing the benefits? Not sure where you're getting 30 days from? Is that just an arbitrary number for the sake of conversation or is it grounded in any science that you can link to?

I'm not talking about long term risks/rewards. That is a tangent.

Im gonna say no

It sounds like you're saying: yes, the vaccines do work for 30 days?

I'm trying to establish a reasonable amount of common ground here.

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That's not what the data indicates from what I've seen, but I'm not cherry picking countries like Israel and Lithuania. I don't want to find data to support my belief, but I also don't want to focus on anomalous data for the sake of supporting your belief. You've been posting about Israel for months now. Why? Your country has 2,300 deaths per million. Israel has less than 900/million. That's about 40% of the US. If the USA was Israel, you guys would have saved half a million lives.... Risk/Reward = ?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

i just gave you the maths - but that's risks outweighing the benefits for me....im not speaking for anybody else - they have to decide that for themselves based on their circumstance

it never stops covid from being spread - it just lowers the symptoms for some people sometimes

im not really sure if they even do much those first 30 days anymore either

'Booster Dose Immune Response Goes Up, Then Contracts'. So How Long Does Covid 3rd Shot Last?

An immunologist at the University of Washington in Seattle said we’re trying to accomplish if it's a three-to four-month window.

www.news18.com

that article states that the booster (3rd shot) lasts 12 days

 

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You gave me the maths?

It "never stops COVID from being spread"?

im not really sure if they even do much those first 30 days anymore either

But, you have no explanation for NSW other than "waves"?

 

[Renagade93]

Have you been vaccinated against covid-19?​

How about a choice for having no choice but to get the shot? I'm only getting it or else I can't return home after a year abroad and won't be able to resume my career without it.

Last thing I wanna be injecting! I'd rather mainline fentanyl into my eyeball

 

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that article states that the booster (3rd shot) lasts 12 days

No, it doesn't.

It says that at the 12(+) day mark, rates of infection were elevenfold lower and rates of severe disease nearly twenty times lower for people who had a booster compared to those who received two doses.

Are you even reading what you're posting?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

You gave me the maths?

It "never stops COVID from being spread"?



But, you have no explanation for NSW other than "waves"?

the cases went down after the vaccines were administered right?

same thing happened here, and in the UK and in Israel and we all know what happened after that

we even took our masks off in celebration - woohoo we're free!

what have you guys done so far other than being allowed only in your backyard?

you're about to act like you're all cured and you'll all start spitting all over each other, and then you'll see

is that a better answer for ya?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Everything you need to know about the changes to NSW's COVID-19 rules

High vaccination rates mean NSW's COVID-19 roadmap is changing again — here's what you'll be able to do if you've had both jabs, and how long you'll have to wait if you haven't.

www.abc.net.au

What's changing?​

From November 8, a lot will change, but only if you are fully vaccinated.

There will be no limit on how many people can visit someone's home, and no density rules for outdoor gatherings of fewer than 1,000 people.

The double-vaxxed will once again be able to hit the dance floor in nightclubs, which are currently only allowed to open for people to drink in.



Australians probably dance funny

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

What isn't changing?​

Gym and dance classes will continue to be capped at 20 people.

You'll still be required to wear a mask in indoor settings such as supermarkets until December 15.



so you guys are taking masks off December 15th....i wish you all luck but we'll see what happens

 

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Nobody is wearing masks. I don't live in NSW.

same thing happened here, and in the UK and in Israel

It's not at all the same situation. The numbers (vaccination rates / natural immunity rate) are completely different.

 

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Australians probably dance funny

They try.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

 

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[JGrimez]

So nobody has an explanation?

@JGrimez

I hear what you're saying. I wasn't really posting that for you. Numerous posters around here have said the vaccine doesn't work. NSW is evidence that it works.

So, can we agree that the vaccines work?

Or does someone have a sensible explanation for NSW.

I'm not defending the Israeli government. This has nothing to do with promises made by Israel. I'm examining (based on evidence) whether or not the vaccine is working in NSW. Something is working. If not the vaccine, what is this mysterious force that's preventing transmission and preventing hospitalization?

@Mr. Krinkle

I'm not defending vaccine mandates or suggesting that there are a relatively low number of adverse reactions. I'm doing something specific here. Don't go off on a tangent. See if you can actually respond with an explanation.

Can you explain NSW?
Yes or no?

Well what do you mean by "working" ? Because it's important to look at everything in its entirety.
It's pretty much commonly known by now that the method in which the authorities were counting covid-deaths pre-vaccine was suspect. They counted people in the overall statistics who didn't die from covid (they simply had covid at the time that long-term co-morbidities eventually killed them) and national governments even went as far as restricting and banning certain medications which had been around for decades and prescribed billions of times globally. Much better safety/effectiveness track record than mRNA vaccines that's for sure. So why all the restrictions? The only explanation is that there was corruption involved to suppress any successful medicinal treatments - because that's the only way in which vaccines can be mandated. If there's no other options (and we know now that there are).

So pre-vaccine the only people who really died from covid were the elderly with co-morbidities. Covid was spreading but if you were under 70 and of average health then the virus was not going to kill you. Most people didn't even feel it. It definitely wasn't affecting the very young children. Really you were only at risk if you were young if you were extremely obese and unhealthy (funny how that was never obsessively addressed by the global health authorities).

But what I'm seeing now post-vaccine is that younger and younger people are getting sick and allegedly dying from covid. Based on what I've seen, and I've followed all this quite closely, is that when I see a young person dying from covid now I'm thinking it's going to be a vaccine-related death. These vaccines are causing serious heart problems in very young children at an alarming rate. And that's just short-term we have no idea of any long-term effects of this medication (which has no long-term testing, no liability for the producers and is only mandated via corruption).

In Australia the govt medical officials kept letting it slip during press conferences that a significant % of covid deaths were fully vaccinated. This happened multiple times and after the footage would go viral they would simply say that they misspoke. Suuure. Then they changed the definitions (see a pattern here?) to obfuscate who had received two, one or no jabs. And now they're not even going to tell the public this information anymore. I wonder why?

Victorian Government REFUSES to provide data on COVID DEATH JAB - XYZ

xyz.net.au

 

[JGrimez]

 

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@JGrimez.

There aren't preventative alternatives. There are treatments for reducing symptoms of the virus. Australia tried and ultimately failed to suppress the virus via lockdowns and mask mandates. Everybody has now concluded it is an impossible task.

Miscounting deaths exists. So does miscounting votes. The question is the scope. Is it significant? Excess deaths indicate no.

Will finish responding later. In a bowling alley.

 

[AutoTripper]

There are preventable alternatives to prevent actual respiratory induced Covid deaths the famous electromedicine it has cured two or three cases of otherwise life threatening pneumonia for myself in the past 3 1/2 weeks of this pretty horrific influenza case Which is grinding me down mentally and physically by the day.

The electromedicine quickly resolved the pneumonia each time.

As reported many times already the same treatment worked rapidly to completely clear the initial very severe Covid infection from my entire respiratory system September 2020.

So that is actually the preventable measure of vitality and even critical condition being reached involving the respiratory system.

Ivermectin too. Why don't accept that it is quackery it has been long regarded as a very valuable medicine with human form being safe too.

And just generally fortifying and boosting the immune system is a all the best preventative measure of all but this is not something we practice as a society or individuals mostly.

As well as nutritional balancing with zinc iron B vitamins vitamin C vitamin d and more.

These approaches are just not being considered even let alone employed or encouraged or researched, not by mainstream ever, Except in all cases when they do and find genuine efficacy the product they simply regulated for removed from public availability and many times will be reformulated in a synthetic package with a patent.

 

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Not sure if we have the same definition of preventative or if I'm missing something. How often do you have to take invermectin? Surely more often than vaccines?

EDIT: Did some reading on invermectin. Looks promising, but it's not yet approved. The trials started after the vaccine trials. If it proves effective, it will probably be approved. I don't see why not. It doesn't seem to be more effective than the vaccines and it has also caused numerous deaths... plus, to answer my question above, you have to have a shitload of doses.

 

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I don't agree with vaccinated children.

In Australia the govt medical officials kept letting it slip during press conferences that a significant % of covid deaths were fully vaccinated.

What is a significant %... which government officials.