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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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I've gotten to a point where I'm starting to really dislike anti-vaxxers. My patience has run thin. This is a bit of a problem because my best friend is an anti-vaxxer.

I think people are a lot more selfish these days. Past generations went to war and died. Now people are whinging about a little jab. The odds of dying (from all of the vaccines approved for use in Australia) are lower than the odds of dying from the virus, unless you're a child.

In Melbourne, the construction industry has been protesting mandatory jabs.

I don't agree with mandatory jabs in principle, but tradies aren't doing the right thing. I don't think I've ever seen anyone on a construction site wearing a mask, because they have to live up to this macho image. It's peer pressure. Classic repressed straight Aussie men.

They've been protesting for about a week now. Blocking major roads and preventing people from getting to work. Spitting on reporters. Fighting police.

What a bunch of children.

One of them was protesting on Wednesday then - 2 days later - on Friday they checked into hospital with COVID. What a fucking idiot.
 
Foolish people will always exist, legislation wont change that so being frustrated at others could become a life long task if you let it.

I am now considered an anti-vaxer. Ive had about a dozen vaccines and wont get this one.

My decision has nothing to do with conspiracies or mistrust it has everything to do with unnecessary medication. Ive already had covid and my natural immunity will outlast the vaccines which at this point are rating 65% effectiveness and dropping.

The real issue is simple. No human on earth should ever think they have the right to force another human to act against their will regarding their own body. So im mostly anti tell me what to do without reason.
 
Its not an entirely new pathogen, i dont understand viral pathology enough to be a source of accurate information, it is however like all life on planet earth and it has ancestors, which may be why some have no issue with covid.

My experience and that of three co-workers was very mild we may have encountered one of its ancestors or a different less successful strain from an earlier branch. It could be some other reason but as yet the fearful media havent supplied a real answer so rumours abound.

My searching on the internet found enough for me to be satisfied it has a viral ancestory (I was looking to see if it was man made or could have been, according to actual experts who had a career before covid).

For years i've traveled through international airports weekly for work. I've come home with many fun colds and flus. Getting them often and from world travelers regularly has provided me with strong current immunity. If I huddle in place and don't mix socially for a long time I will grow weaker.
 
I would actually say Covid, long Covid specifically, but really IME not the initial respiratory side of it, but and especially nerve based long Covid, IM vast personal E again, a year on, I would say is second to Borrelia only.

It behaves very differently in various ways to other pathogens I know.

It drags on. Continues to exploit opportunistically.

It's a newly released at least, very advanced technology.

Borrelia is advanced. If everybody who had been infected or even carried Covid so far, had had Borrelia in place, it would be having non fatal mostly, in the short run, but a greatly devastating effect on so many lives for long time to come.

Except Borrelia doesn't spread from a person.

Covid is advanced, in ways that only Borrelia compares, in my experiences weighing all things up.

I don't actually view it at all, as biological/organic anymore. Why I say advanced technology.
 
birdup said:
I've gotten to a point where I'm starting to really dislike anti-vaxxers. My patience has run thin. This is a bit of a problem because my best friend is an anti-vaxxer.

I think people are a lot more selfish these days. Past generations went to war and died. Now people are whinging about a little jab. The odds of dying (from all of the vaccines approved for use in Australia) are lower than the odds of dying from the virus, unless you're a child.

In Melbourne, the construction industry has been protesting mandatory jabs.

I don't agree with mandatory jabs in principle, but tradies aren't doing the right thing. I don't think I've ever seen anyone on a construction site wearing a mask, because they have to live up to this macho image. It's peer pressure. Classic repressed straight Aussie men.

They've been protesting for about a week now. Blocking major roads and preventing people from getting to work. Spitting on reporters. Fighting police.

What a bunch of children.

One of them was protesting on Wednesday then - 2 days later - on Friday they checked into hospital with COVID. What a fucking idiot.
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I bet they are not actually anti-vaxxers at all and it's a staged event to cause even more stigma and resentment towards US (me, citizens).

For a start if they were genuine protesters the police would bust their asses in 5-minutes flat.

Well....It works!
 
Yourbaker said:
Foolish people will always exist, legislation wont change that so being frustrated at others could become a life long task if you let it.
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Their foolishness is affecting me, though. I've tried to not be frustrated. I've tried to see their point of view. I'm just tired of the relentless waves of bullshit. I was in the park the other day, looking after someone with autism. We spoke to a sweet old lady and immediately she started ranting about how the government is trying to control us, etc. The guy with me was clearly disabled and uncomfortable, but she just kept going. This happens all the time.

I spent a lot of time trying to convince anti-vaxxers (because I gave them the benefit of the doubt). Unfortunately, for most of them, it is pointless. It is a waste of breath. They ignore facts. They twist things. Basically, when confronted by logical arguments that threaten their ideologies, they lie. It is the same behaviour as the election deniers. Insisting (contrary to all evidence) that reality is not reality. They are not arguing in good faith.

Everyone gets frustrated by something. I tend to care less than the average person about the things in the world I cannot change, but this affects me personally. The Victorian government has locked me up in my house for months. I don't blame the government. Contact tracing shows that all of the outbreaks have been caused by idiots breaking the rules.

As others have pointed out, there are lots of rules in society. You have to drive at a certain speed. You need a license to own a python. You have to vaccinate your kids for preschool.

It frustrates me when these "foolish" people drive drunk at 180 km/h and kill people. It also frustrates me when people act selfishly during a pandemic and spread a deadly virus through my community.

If anti-vaxxers just shut the fuck up, I wouldn't care so much. The network of misinformation is what bothers me.

If you don't want to be jabbed, fine.

@Yourbaker. I should point out that you don't frustrate me. You're not spreading misinformation.

The real issue is simple. No human on earth should ever think they have the right to force another human to act against their will regarding their own body.
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I don't fundamentally agree with this. Well, I do and I don't. If there was a much more dangerous virus - and there will be - people should either be vaccinated or deported.

@AutoTripper

The police are arresting them, in the hundreds. They're also shooting them with rubber bullets and using non lethal gas canisters. It's getting out of hand. One woman went to the ICU to be treated for bruises from rubber bullets. They asked her to wear a mask. She refused so they kicked her the fuck out of the hospital.

Maintaining a certain level of scepticism is healthy, but everything in moderation. You're assuming the existence of conspiracies with no evidence. The anti-vax protestors were obviously real anti-vaxxers. I don't assume vaccines don't work when they clearly do and I don't assume that people who claim to be anti-vaxxers are not anti-vaxxers.

Over 90% of Australia is already onboard to be vaccinated and we haven't even rolled out the passports yet. We are on track to be one of the most vaccinated countries in the world. The government doesn't need to stage fake protests.
 
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I respect that.
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It would be wonderful if more people did.

I agree there are a lot of people lashing out against vaccinations out of stupidity, unfortunately the current slate of vaccines are dubious and if you're not in a risk group or associating with people in a risk group you have little need of them as they dont stop you getting covid or spreading covid. They just make having covid easier and may save your life if you were already in a risk group. You may have covid while vaccinated and never know because symptoms are very weak. I didnt think I had covid even when I wasnt vaccinated.

Two people got puled off the view because they tested positive but were both double vaxed. There is a real concern this virus can hide among the vaccinated and keep mutating until it does serious damage.

If you were not at risk there is no good reason to use this vaccine. The flu will mutate as it does every year or so and the vaccines will only be proof for about 6 months the way they have created them, according to media not sure how true that is.

Im honestly glad i was exposed early to the actual virus, i do wish i didnt have to quit work because of laws that I must get vaccinated.

So im anti-stupid laws and pro better vaccines.
 
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If you were not at risk there is no good reason to use this vaccine.
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Actually, there are a number of very good reasons.

1) People don't know if they are at risk. You cannot accurately predict whether or not you have pre-existing undiagnosed conditions. Many young "healthy" people have died. Statistically you are more likely to die from the virus than any of the vaccines approved for use in Australia (Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca) unless you are a child.

2) You are unlikely to be symptomatic if you are vaccinated.

3) If you are vaccinated and symptomatic, your symptoms will most likely be mild.

4) If you have mild symptoms (or no symptoms at all) you are unlikely to be a superspreader.

5) Superspreaders are the ones responsible for killing lots of people.
 
The push to mandate vaccination is absolute madness and tyranny. I had COVID-19 and my body fought it off, why would I bother getting a vaccine?

the FDA won't even call it a vaccine, because it hasn't even been properly studied.

Close family to me have gotten the shot and I've watched as they've developed constant coughs, bags under eyes, etc. It breaks my heart.
 
I'm sorry for your loved ones having problems. I keep hearing about that from people but it's weird because me and everyone I know who has been vaccinated has had no side effects at all besides some people feeling dizzy or sick for a couple of days after. And it's a lot of people. Yet some people on here who have been really against the vaccine are saying everyone they know is going to the hospital and shit. It's entirely the opposite of what I'm seeing.

But yeah people who got covid and recovered should be considered fine. Vaccine or covid antibodies, either way you're as protected as you're going to be.
 
birdup said:
5) Superspreaders are the ones responsible for killing lots of people.
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I'm sorry but that is it right there again.

Above all, talk about insanely hypocritical. You are harbouring a growing resentlment, distate, intolerance for the refusers who hold up your life and are quite frankly becoming a nuisance right? Kind of anyway, even If we would just keep our mouths shut, but that would be preferable.

I think that is the position.

Because of the misinformation we spread. The propaganda right?

Do you think it doesn't infuriate the hell out of me that the real propaganda, is the total pure and sickening truly, to me personally, SPIEL! In that line there again.

Everything about it. Examine your words. Thoughts. See where they might have come from. Look at the primitiveness and holed structure of it.

Implantation of delusion. It's just nuts to to around with that line, mentality, belief, ideolgy, Attitiude!
 
I don't mean to say that people who infect other people are murderers. I was responding to @Yourbaker saying there is no point in being vaccinated if you're not personally at risk. There is a point: if you're unvaccinated you're more likely to infect other people and that will probably result in deaths. So even if you're not going to die from COVID, other people might die from you getting COVID. I'm not calling anyone a murderer, but they are responsible if they chose not to be vaccinated to avoid a 1 in a million risk when the virus poses more than 1 in a thousand. I don't think Chauvin is a murderer. I certainly don't think this is murder. In fact, I objected when it was phrased that way by @aemetha.

*note: I don't think people who've had the virus should be vaccinated.
 
COVID19 has over a 99% survival rating in anyone under 65 years old, why would you ever get a vaccine? When did all these people become so trusting of government and media? Do you really believe the propaganda that you're "saving lives" by getting vaccinated?

I bet most of you people don't know have a close relative who has died of COVID, I sure don't. My 91 year old great grandmother survived it almost asymptomatically.

Turn off the news, stop listening to Bill Gates, and think for yourselves.

What if the vaccine causes cancer in 5 years? Do you even know what they injected into you? Cause I do and trust me the list is pretty horrifying, including an unnamed 40% of the solution ingredient which shouldn't even be possible.
 
birdup said:
I don't mean to say that people who infect other people are murderers. I was responding to @Yourbaker saying there is no point in being vaccinated if you're not personally at risk. There is a point: if you're unvaccinated you're more likely to infect other people and that will probably result in deaths. So even if you're not going to die from COVID, other people might die from you getting COVID. I'm not calling anyone a murderer, but they are responsible if they chose not to be vaccinated to avoid a 1 in a million risk when the virus poses more than 1 in a thousand. I don't think Chauvin is a murderer. I certainly don't think this is murder. In fact, I objected when it was phrased that way by @aemetha.

*note: I don't think people who've had the virus should be vaccinated.
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Actually false, scientific evidence shows that even those who have been vaccinated are capable of catching and spreading the virus, even if they are asymptomatic.

You are not saving lives, you're being a sheep.

"About 75 to 80 percent of the more than 50 staff members infected at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital were fully vaccinated,"

www.nytimes.com

About 200 staff members at a San Francisco hospital and the U.C.S.F. health system have tested positive.

Most were breakthrough Delta infections. Two of those infected required hospitalization.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
birdup said:
I don't mean to say that people who infect other people are murderers. I was responding to @Yourbaker saying there is no point in being vaccinated if you're not personally at risk. There is a point: if you're unvaccinated you're more likely to infect other people and that will probably result in deaths. So even if you're not going to die from COVID, other people might die from you getting COVID. I'm not calling anyone a murderer, but they are responsible if they chose not to be vaccinated to avoid a 1 in a million risk when the virus poses more than 1 in a thousand. I don't think Chauvin is a murderer. I certainly don't think this is murder. In fact, I objected when it was phrased that way by @aemetha.

*note: I don't think people who've had the virus should be vaccinated.
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That's fair. I'm so on end, call me touchy, and it's principle and passion.

Not personal. I reject the narrative that unvaxxed must get or have a moral duty to roll up, because we are irrational and danagerous superspreaders.

The MSM is your trusted information source too remember, the government basically.

Who to me is basically Satan.

You responded very calmly there too. I am very far from calm myself. I have had Long Covid for 12 months now. Working it's long way through. I have supreme personal experience contracting and observing all sorts of pathogens.

I have made some fascinating perceptions and observations of Covid and long C specifically. How it behaves, moves, influences, exploits.

Covid, Long, nerve based, really effects you mentally and emotionally. It causes the most intense depression and anxiety. More than any other pathogen I know of directly.

Now, another point, you suggested it's too wild to consider that the police or government would stage protests.

Well I have eyes. I can read body language pretty well. I look at this photo, and I look carefully and closely at the body language of every single protestor and police officer.

Every bloody one is truly posing, for camera. It's so clear and obvious. That is not a natural random photo of police doing a job that day. Just look at the body language and facial expressions and unnatural posing folded arms and stern uprightness of everybody "lined up for the shot"

Plus, this was causing a raucous that day(s). Blocking trucks entering Britain. I can't remember what the protest was over now. You said how brutal and violent this NWO advancement basically (MY worsds lol) is getting. Australia has gone fucking nuts especially. By design IMO. And not only mine.

The UK police would not be standing back, in line, for days like this was at the tiime, doing NOTHING to remove these "peaceful" protestors blocking major roads and ports, on any grounds anyway really, imagine if it was lockdown protest?

Anyway, it's staged plain as day, to an eye capable of reading body language.

 
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