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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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AutoTripper, I don't think you should be messing around with ivermectic just because you saw something about it for covid. Especially as you're really just guessing that the covid you had quite some time ago is affecting you (your bladder?) You have been talking about how you have immune issues from Lyme disease, and a variety of other things, for as long as I've known you. In my opinion it's dangerous to just go assuming that covid has anything to do with whatever you're experiencing now, and further then to assume ivermectic is going to be beneficial for you. I don't want you to hurt yourself...
 
As far as I know there is and never has been a magic bullet to fix any/all of our ills.
Bottom line: We have not, are not and undoubtedly will not be on this rock forever. Just take it as a good thing... at least the earth will be free of out destructive tyranny.
We have just scratched the surface of intelligence and we pompously strut around like we are indeed the masters of our destiny... what a joke. Ignorance feeds on itself and leads to stupidly that can no longer be "fixed", imo.
Lets just have some fun until our time comes to make way for whatever is next?
Our fears are gonna drive us apart until we kill each other off... no need to fret some microscopic "threat".
:rolleyes:
 
6am-64-14m said:
As far as I know there is and never has been a magic bullet to fix any/all of our ills.
Bottom line: We have not, are not and undoubtedly will not be on this rock forever. Just take it as a good thing... at least the earth will be free of out destructive tyranny.
We have just scratched the surface of intelligence and we pompously strut around like we are indeed the masters of our destiny... what a joke. Ignorance feeds on itself and leads to stupidly that can no longer be "fixed", imo.
Lets just have some fun until our time comes to make way for whatever is next?
Our fears are gonna drive us apart until we kill each other off... no need to fret some microscopic "threat".
:rolleyes:
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best post on entire thread

and with that, I'm outta the covid threads for good as just far too depressing and the divisory nonsense many are falling for and (albeit unconsciously no doubt) propagating, just makes me anxious and disappointed

good luck to all, have at it
 
Xorkoth said:
AutoTripper, I don't think you should be messing around with ivermectic just because you saw something about it for covid. Especially as you're really just guessing that the covid you had quite some time ago is affecting you (your bladder?) You have been talking about how you have immune issues from Lyme disease, and a variety of other things, for as long as I've known you. In my opinion it's dangerous to just go assuming that covid has anything to do with whatever you're experiencing now, and further then to assume ivermectic is going to be beneficial for you. I don't want you to hurt yourself...
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Thanks man I appreciate that.

Actually, I will likely have it allergy tested also for actual efficacy by precise vega testing in September, also my chiropractor uses a Chinese medicine stemmed treatment system called Total Body Modification using muscle testing and the boddy's accupressure point system in ingenious fashion to treat through the CNS, also can test and treat allergies, where it's worthwhile.

But I'm not in a hurry to use it for Covid. I don't consider that Covid is really a problem for me atm. It may even be be clear from my bladder, but if not, that's really the best single place to harbour an infection, pretty harmlessly overall.

If Ivermectin is effective against Covid, and we know people who used it zero side effects and apparent positive results only, not just one touting source, wide array of testimonies and reports, it may well be a broad range systemic anti viral, to assist clearing my nervous system of the nuisance viruses to which immunity simply isn't acquired.

I've never made a misjudgement in decades of using all alternative treatments. I react allergenically to nearly everything, but it's just putting up with and managing the symptoms.

I'm too wiped out atm though anyway to approach anything unknown or that will take a bit more energy to manage.

So my focus is on resting up and healing for a bit.

Thanks a lot though mate.
 
You know, I don’t know where I insulted anyone.
I stated facts that none of you could give an answer to.
I certainly did not write my words with arrogance in my heart or intention.
If anyone took it that way, I apologize.
@Xorkoth I thought our friendship was stronger than that.
I am in real distress over the loss of our freedoms in the name of ”for our own good”.
Can‘t you see where this is heading?

Look, the description I gave of the vaccine came straight from The Moderna website.
My daughter took that one and you better believe I checked it out.
I have had too many gross incompetence medical decisions made on my family members.

My experience is that we were through the pandemic.
No one had a case of it and we were all returning to business, school, being allowed to breath oxygen again.
Then family and friends got these “vaccines” and two have had a stroke, one has had a heart attack and needed open heart surgery, one dropped dead right at the vaccination place. 😢🙁
I am concerned over you all just as my own family and friends.
It is your choice and it should be mine and I hope you will all make sure it remains my choice.
It wasn’t easy to tell you just how bad it is for me.
How could I have humbled myself so much and be arrogant at the same time?
Any kind of radical thing I have tried on the advise of experts in the medical field have been disastrous for me after suffering liver failure.
I really cannot take it. It hurts my liver so bad. It has taken me years to rehabilitate to this point of health.
I already had Covid.
And if you are vaccinated, why worry about me? You are protected, no?
since when did that kind of thinking become fact?
I don’t remember being worried if anyone else had the measles or other stuff I had been vaccinated for.

I don’t know how you all can find ANY excuse for handing our freedoms over.
That isn’t some kind of woo-woo thinking.
It is happening.
Listen to what The People are saying.
I was asked to explain why I felt the way I do and I answered.
Since when has my opinion been so lowly regarded?
I think I have been a real life saver here.

anyway, I don’t really feel welcome here anymore.
I wish you all the best and I love you all.
I want no hard feeling, please....

Love,
P.O.,
 
cduggles said:
Please post context videos or they will be moved to the video thread.

There is literally not one reference to COVID in this post. Please try to throw something in there that is on topic.

See above regarding videos and please stay on topic.

Apparently everyone is, and while I’m not editing anything except one for deleting one post, this is not a social thread. Moving forward, posts will be directed appropriately.

And if you’re incapable of presenting your opinion without insulting others, expect to have your post deleted and at least being warned for violating forum rules.
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That first video was totally relevant here.
If you didn’t watch it, please do.

I apologize for the NIN video, but it was appreciated by quite a few.

sorry my friend.
You do a great job of moderating and I appreciate it and commend you.
I apologize for giving you an opposing opinion that is very educated and contains inside information.

peace.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
i might retire from this thread on page 79 if somebody else doesn't beat me to it
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Is that because of my own seeming, I say seeming, in defence not attack, gobbledegook quack alternative health repreated bore?

Im just curious mate that's all. I would hate to be a deterrent to anyone, noone less yourself.

I'm just wondering if this was suddenly inspired or a subconscious deliberation just surfacing.

You don'r need to answer btw. I'm just a curious nut. I like not to leave to wonder where I can. There is so much to wonder about already lol.

@cduggles secretly to try and justify this post, because doing my oil pulling earlier, things come clear to me.

Now this will possibly make me look like a teacher suck up lol, but I've little shame so...

And I do try and give simple support. On that, I thought instantly ofv3 very basic feelings I honestly have- I like your character, I really appreciate your sensitivity, politeness, patience and tolerance.

And I respect your courage. This must be one of the least fun, most highly charged thread to mod singlehandedly, plus the "other" one lol.

I am sorry my own inputs have caused plenty of strife. Keep the good work and don't fear to speak up, I've not personally felt a touch patronised or annoyed, judged etc by you once, and your rightful "wrist slaps" are gentle as too.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:

The delta variant could evade vaccines if it becomes Delta 4+, new paper warns​


The researchers for the paper, who worked in Japan, made four changes to the amino acid structure of the delta variant to test out if it could evade vaccines with specific mutations.Three of the mutations — K417N, E484K and N501Y — already exist in the beta variant, which was discovered in South Africa. The South Africa variant has, for the most part, been defeated by the vaccines, though there has been concern about vaccine efficacy and the beta variant.

So the researchers added one more mutation to create an engineered virus — called a pseudovirus, which is harmless and can’t self-replicate — called Delta 4+ and tested it against the Pfizer vaccine.

The antibodies made from the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine could not stop the man-made virus in the lab, the researchers said.
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so, a) stop being a willing reservoir for mutations if this bothers you

b) this is terrifying but a bioarxiv paper means it hasn't yet been peer reviewed. secondly the evasion was w.r.t. one of the types of antibodies induced by the pfizer/bioNtech vaccine, other is still OK. thirdly they didn't even test it on epithelial cells, for a respiratory virus? like wtf?!?!?!? we have a shit ton of epithelial cell lines, most labs will have several knocking about. that is dodgy as fuck, if i was the reviewer i would only accept after they had repeated their experiments on a more realistic model.

obviously the fewer reservoirs, the fewer chances of highly concerning mutations, so EVERYONE GET VACCINATED PLEASE- if you're concerned about blood clots, especially do cos COVID causes them at a much higher rate! but the reporting of that paper is fucking irresponsible, most people probably don't have the ablity to read the source material and assess for themselves.

the entire search space of beneficial mutations is going to be explored by SARS-COV2 unless we stop it mutating, i.e. stop it spreading, i.e. do safety measures even when vaccinated.
 
We here are ride to the death bonded in blood, sweat, and tears.
NEVER have I seen us so divided,
I feel heart broken over that.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
im just J/K!


im not going anywhere


i love this thread :In love:
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Phew! Lol. Of all people here, if I was party to deterring you it'd gut me.

I'm not reading the lines right tonight still. Which is nice. I like that. Just can't be sure what I'm not grasping, an odd state.

Thanks for clarifying. I need to troll you lol, some other threads, get me away form here.

I do really think also, of all people- (I have gotten a fair, but mini "rap" for my ramblings and miscalls. And I'm firmly anti. The worst type around here lol! 😉

I'm not on the fence on this.

Now yourself Mr Krinkle, you have been bracketed quite firmly with ME, US again, lol.

Fully anti. Fearmonger. I feel that's unfair. I see you as being far more impartial, onjective, kind of on the fence just firmly, touch this way maybe, lol.

You want the truth. You have asked a lot of very good questions. Maybe your angle has been taken wrong, by nature of the debate.

That's all. No more. Gotta eat soon. Just good full weed and kava sess today.
 
Painful One said:
We here are ride to the death bonded in blood, sweat, and tears.
NEVER have I seen us so divided,
I feel heart broken over that.
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That's why I try to unite us, secretly. We don't agree. But we can still care. I wanted to say love, but it's not fully popular.

Have faith. Whatever. I'm not afraid.
 
chinup said:
so, a) stop being a willing reservoir for mutations if this bothers you

b) this is terrifying but a bioarxiv paper means it hasn't yet been peer reviewed. secondly the evasion was w.r.t. one of the types of antibodies induced by the pfizer/bioNtech vaccine, other is still OK. thirdly they didn't even test it on epithelial cells, for a respiratory virus? like wtf?!?!?!? we have a shit ton of epithelial cell lines, most labs will have several knocking about. that is dodgy as fuck, if i was the reviewer i would only accept after they had repeated their experiments on a more realistic model.

obviously the fewer reservoirs, the fewer chances of highly concerning mutations, so EVERYONE GET VACCINATED PLEASE- if you're concerned about blood clots, especially do cos COVID causes them at a much higher rate! but the reporting of that paper is fucking irresponsible, most people probably don't have the ablity to read the source material and assess for themselves.

the entire search space of beneficial mutations is going to be explored by SARS-COV2 unless we stop it mutating, i.e. stop it spreading, i.e. do safety measures even when vaccinated.
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Straight up man. I probably said it already in this thread, but the anti-vaxxers are making it so everyone else has to get more vaccines as the virus mutates from the anti-vax breeding ground we are giving it. If your mission is less vaccines, and no vaccine mandates... Getting your jab would be the best way to work toward that goal.

The current method, which seems to be spreading misinformation and refusing to get vaccinated is really counterproductive in the end. Nobody likes getting vaccinated but we do it because its important. If everybody carried their fare share to the finish line we would all get there a lot faster.
 
chinup said:
so, a) stop being a willing reservoir for mutations if this bothers you

b) this is terrifying but a bioarxiv paper means it hasn't yet been peer reviewed. secondly the evasion was w.r.t. one of the types of antibodies induced by the pfizer/bioNtech vaccine, other is still OK. thirdly they didn't even test it on epithelial cells, for a respiratory virus? like wtf?!?!?!? we have a shit ton of epithelial cell lines, most labs will have several knocking about. that is dodgy as fuck, if i was the reviewer i would only accept after they had repeated their experiments on a more realistic model.

obviously the fewer reservoirs, the fewer chances of highly concerning mutations, so EVERYONE GET VACCINATED PLEASE- if you're concerned about blood clots, especially do cos COVID causes them at a much higher rate! but the reporting of that paper is fucking irresponsible, most people probably don't have the ablity to read the source material and assess for themselves.

the entire search space of beneficial mutations is going to be explored by SARS-COV2 unless we stop it mutating, i.e. stop it spreading, i.e. do safety measures even when vaccinated.
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oh ok

so i should be vaccinated so you guys can conduct more experiments


if vaccinated people can catch and spread it, how are they not reservoirs for mutations?





AutoTripper said:
Phew! Lol. Of all people here, if I was party to deterring you it'd gut me.

I'm not reading the lines right tonight still. Which is nice. I like that. Just can't be sure what I'm not grasping, an odd state.

Thanks for clarifying. I need to troll you lol, some other threads, get me away form here.

I do really think also, of all people- (I have gotten a fair, but mini "rap" for my ramblings and miscalls. And I'm firmly anti. The worst type around here lol! 😉

I'm not on the fence on this.

Now yourself Mr Krinkle, you have been bracketed quite firmly with ME, US again, lol.

Fully anti. Fearmonger. I feel that's unfair. I see you as being far more impartial, onjective, kind of on the fence just firmly, touch this way maybe, lol.

You want the truth. You have asked a lot of very good questions. Maybe your angle has been taken wrong, by nature of the debate.

That's all. No more. Gotta eat soon. Just good full weed and kava sess today.
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Hell yea bro - you know me - i feel like im impartial too but not everybody would agree... but whatever....i just look at it from an overall health concern....i don't think we should be treating healthy people with medicine - and to try to rob a healthy person's decision from them is an even bigger problem....

no liability from the drug companies if something goes wrong.....

thats just not gonna work for us, my friend

:cheers:
 
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Pickledlemons said:
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If everybody carried their fare share to the finish line we would all get there a lot faster.
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If everyone back in March of 2020 had quarantined for 3 weeks we couild have eliminated the virus. It would have no where to go. But we all know all long some people never stopped gathering. One month is all it would have taken but people are stubborn. Then we would not need a vaccine.

While I don't understand a lot of the anti vax stuff one thing is very clear to me. The movement was in place so to come along and tell people to just get the jab is not realistic. There was already too much momentum with that to fight it. I mean I see vaccines as important as antibiotics. I always like to refer to the Black Plague when over 52 million people died. (talk about a friggin nightmare read on that). I wonder if there were anti antibiotic people back then.. We know antibiotics are a lifesaver. I would like to think the science is continuing in that direction. During the Spanish flu there were for sure deniers and news reports calling it a hoax too.

I would really like to think medicine doctors, scientists really want to help humanity and if there is anyone sinister looking to thwart that that they get spot lighted. I think it is more important to believe than not believe. But I understand the argument is have the facts on what you believe and those facts can be so all over the place that they don't add to any knowledge. Ex. I saw an "expert" claim the vaccine made the virus mutate and try and stay stronger. Other say that unvaccinated people made the virus mutate. The truth is there somewhere and I don't have any concrete opinion one way or another yet. Maybe in 100 years we will know.

@AutoTripper, stop worrying about how you present. Sure we go off topic but you are a kind dude! That counts for a lot. :) Actually just about everyone is kind here on such hot topics.
 
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