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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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JackARoe said:
But the numbers do state that the people in hospitals are mostly unvaccinated, the people in their family that are vaccinated seem better off when the virus is around, and the numbers support that.
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They used to support that more so - with the most recent numbers, with delta, not so much
 
alasdairm said:
alasdair
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Yeah oaky, point earned. But I’ll argue half a point still. That is figurative speech and terminology.

Not a literal admission to feeling joy, pleasure at the pain in another’s life.

That requires some real heartlessness. I agree with you on this. I just don’t feel the accusation is really warranted.

I might suggest you have an antagonistic nature, but I wouldn’t want to antagonise. But I also don’t keep thoughts buried in my head like wind that just needs to be air and be done.

That’s the only reason I express that suggestion, simply to let it out. Not to accuse, not to offend, not to judge.
 
www.reuters.com

U.S. data show rising 'breakthrough' infections among fully vaccinated

Some 25% of SARS-CoV-2 infections among Los Angeles County residents occurred in fully vaccinated residents from May through July 25, a period that includes the impact of the highly transmissible Delta variant, U.S. officials reported on Tuesday.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com


here we go - these are interesting numbers:


Some 25% of SARS-CoV-2 infections among Los Angeles County residents occurred in fully vaccinated residents from May through July 25, a period that includes the impact of the highly transmissible Delta variant, U.S. officials reported on Tuesday.

According to the study, 3.2% of fully vaccinated individuals who were infected with the virus were hospitalized, just 0.05% were admitted to an intensive care unit and 0.25% were placed on a ventilator.

Among the unvaccinated who fell ill, 7.5% were hospitalized, 1.5% were admitted to an intensive care unit and 0.5% required breathing support with a mechanical ventilator.
 
so it seems like the vaccines cut it down to about half - right?

still all a pretty low chance either way - would you say?

:shrug:
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
www.reuters.com

U.S. data show rising 'breakthrough' infections among fully vaccinated

Some 25% of SARS-CoV-2 infections among Los Angeles County residents occurred in fully vaccinated residents from May through July 25, a period that includes the impact of the highly transmissible Delta variant, U.S. officials reported on Tuesday.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com


here we go - these are interesting numbers:

According to the study, 3.2% of fully vaccinated individuals who were infected with the virus were hospitalized, just 0.05% were admitted to an intensive care unit and 0.25% were placed on a ventilator.

Among the unvaccinated who fell ill, 7.5% were hospitalized, 1.5% were admitted to an intensive care unit and 0.5% required breathing support with a mechanical ventilator.
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So many studies which say different things eh - I'm sure I could find one to fit every narrative within minutes. Overwhelming to say the least, or it would be if I was actively looking anyway

But yes, clearly, this study suggests what you say, except for the small matter of being admitted to Intensive Care, which is a cool 30 times more likely if becoming ill with covid and unvaccinated, shrug
 
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ageingpartyfiend said:
So many studies which say different things eh - I'm sure I could find one to fit every narrative within minutes. Overwhelming to say the least, or it would be if I was actively looking anyway

But yes, clearly, this study suggests what you say, except for the small matter of being admitted to Intensive Care, which is a cool 30 times more likely if unvaccinated, shrug
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well im trying to get data from the most reputable news sources with the most recent numbers...


yea but it's still pretty low regardless - thats my point....so if you catch the vid, with no shots, you have a 1.5% chance of ending up in the ICU....and that's for all age groups...and it's directly proportional to age....so yea

:shrug:
 
Painful One said:
www.bitchute.com

Clot Shot: Blood of the Vaccinated "Not Normal"

Gross part at the end - a vaxxed brain which was enlarged with heavy clotting inside Tim Truth https://odysee.com/@TimTruth:b Full video from Ethic Citizen (FR) https://www.ethiccitizen.com/
www.bitchute.com www.bitchute.com

Have a look at what that “vaccine” is doing to your brain.
HOLY SHIT!
WARNING- GRAPHIC!
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that's some jelly in the end there!

filet of brain :chef:
 
It's the heart afraid of breaking
That never learns to dance
It's the dream afraid of waking
That never takes the chance
It's the one who won't be taken
Who cannot seem to give
And the soul afraid of dyin'
That never learns to live
 
w01fg4ng said:
Debating for the sake of argument is futile.
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That isn't logical.
It's debating for the sake of argument to you, not to me. And it's like that for you because you won't entertain conflicting narratives that threaten your reality.
It's perfectly acceptable to challenge things. You don't need to prescribe to what you are challenging because then you wouldn't be challenging it, would you?
So the idea that I have to only debate something based on the reality I am challenging is like trying to normalize madness. You might not see it but that's your expectation. All debate is debate that agrees with your argument and doesn't challenge it. Madness is acceptable. Sanity is not.
If you fall into entertaining the madness and start giving in to the illogical, irrational and downright dangerous belief systems, you propagate the madness. The madness becomes normalized. If we do this en masse society becomes mad. We end up like we did in medieval times for example where mind contagion spread across the Western world and the end result was something akin to mass psychosis.

As I said earlier, illogical arguments are difficult to counter because of their very nature. People will respond with emotional reactions, which is why you see YouTube videos on people losing their sh*t over political debates on the street. Notice how it can often come away from rational logical and meaningful debate and then becomes about primitive impulsive behaviour. It's usually the ones who are not actually in grounded in how things work who lose their sh*t which creates a cascading effect. Look at SJW's for example. Most of their rhetoric is based on romantic and completely grandiose visions of a world that will never materialize. Their response to challenges are always to parrot a narrative they rely on that isn't conducive and is corrosive to society. But because of how deluded they are they don't see it and if we allow that narrative to become reality, we end up with what we were challenging in the first place. As you can see in society that's things like cancel culture, tearing down statues, inciting riots and huge social unrest, education establishments destroying centuries of progress, it's a type of fascism in a way or communism. But... it's normalized. It's normalized because logic, common sense and reasoning went out of the window and pressure came about to stand down and to give in.

So what you are saying is debate shouldn't happen at all. It's okay to pretend to debate so long as the narrative remains the same.
This leads on to mass hysteria and potentially psychosis in populations who begin to become infected by the mind contagion that propagates the narrative. They do give up and because the external stimulus is so compelling they believe doing so is the right thing to do. This is how we end up in tyranny.
In totalitarian states, this is used deliberately to turn the population into victims and turns the rulers into God-like figures. It's all based on delusions that are propagated by illogical and completely nonsensical beliefs and expectations, along with waves of fear and terror to send them on a rollercoaster of a journey enhancing the chance of them being desperate for a solution. The solution as we all know is complete control but the population will ask for that if it frees them from their suffering. Both rulers and population are deluded and live in a dangerous dynamic. This is why we rid ourselves (or so we believe) of these ideologies. And why we always look to China and North Korea as the barbarians who use this kind of inhumane action on their population.
 
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finitelifeform said:
That isn't logical.
It's debating for the sake of argument to you, not to me. And it's like that for you because you won't entertain conflicting narratives that threaten your reality.
It's perfectly acceptable to challenge things. You don't need to prescribe to what you are challenging because then you wouldn't be challenging it, would you?
So the idea that I have to only debate something based on the reality I am challenging is like trying to normalize madness. You might not see it but that's your expectation. All debate is debate that agrees with your argument and doesn't challenge it. Madness is acceptable. Sanity is not.
If you fall into entertaining the madness and start giving in to the illogical, irrational and downright dangerous belief systems, you propagate the madness. The madness becomes normalized. If we do this en masse society becomes mad. We end up like we did in medieval times for example where mind contagion spread across the Western world and the end result was something akin to mass psychosis.

As I said earlier, illogical arguments are difficult to counter because of their very nature. People will respond with emotional reactions, which is why you see YouTube videos on people losing their sh*t over political debates on the street. It's usually the ones who are not actually in grounded in how things work who lose their sh*t. Look at SJW's for example. Most of their rhetoric is based on romantic and completely grandiose visions of a world that will never materialize. Their response to challenges are always to parrot a narrative they rely on because of how deluded they are and if we allow that narrative to become reality, we end up with what we were challenging in the first place. As you can see in society that's things like cancel culture, tearing down statues, inciting riots and huge social unrest, education establishments destroying centuries of progress, it's a type of fascism in a way or communism. But... it's normalized. It's normalized because logic, common sense and reasoning went out of the window and pressure came about to stand down and to give in.

So what you are saying is debate shouldn't happen at all. It's okay to pretend to debate so long as the narrative remains the same.
This leads on to mass hysteria and potentially psychosis in populations who begin to become infected by the mind contagion that propagates the narrative. They do give up and because the external stimulus is so compelling they believe doing so is the right thing to do. This is how we end up in tyranny.
In totalitarian states, this is used deliberately to turn the population into victims and turns the rulers into God-like figures. It's all based on delusions that are propagated by illogical and completely nonsensical beliefs and expectations, along with waves of fear and terror to send them on a rollercoaster of a journey enhancing the chance of them being desperate for a solution. The solution as we all know is complete control but the population will ask for that if it frees them from their suffering. Both rulers and population are deluded and live in a dangerous dynamic. This is why we rid ourselves (or so we believe) of these ideologies. And why we always look to China and North Korea as the barbarians who use this kind of inhumane action on their population.
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Well said, normalize craziness and logic become crazy…
 
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cduggles said:
Just a reminder that this is the COVID thread. Please stay on topic.
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Sorry.
My point was directly about COVID and that is, when did we start living in such FEAR?
So much fear that we are giving up our precious freedoms and half of you are defending and enforcing that!
I just can’t wrap my head around it.
We here are already The Persecuted dreaded drug addicts and half of you want to give away more of our freedoms?
WTF my friends?
 
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