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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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see i'd rather see what random ppl online had to say rather than what some reporter wants to make a story out of....

but that's just me

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Hell to the no will I be taking an experimental vaccine that is not a vaccine.

I know, most of you feel differently.
Please do not force “vaccinate” me my friends.
My liver really can’t take it.
www.biorxiv.org

A drug candidate for treating adverse reactions caused by pathogenic antibodies inducible by COVID-19 virus and vaccines

In a recent study, we reported that certain anti-spike antibodies of COVID-19 and SARS-CoV viruses can have a pathogenic effect through binding to sick lung epithelium cells and misleading immune responses to attack self-cells. We termed this new pathogenic mechanism “Antibody Dependent...
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cduggles said:
You clearly prefer random people on the internet for your information. 😄
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it's all can be random at times

but you should read some of what the regular schmoes on reddit have to say about their side effects...it's interesting...story's like this one... "My husband regrets it everyday says his body just isn’t the same every since he got the vaccine he can’t describe it but it’s just not the same, he also had Covid back in September with no issues then got the jab in April and doesn’t feel the same😔"
 
or this one:

"Voluntarily" got vaccinated January this year with no immediately noticable side effects. "Voluntarily" because I was told it wasn't mandatory but if I got it it would make my life easier due to nature of my job. Didn't care about being "part of the experiment." Few weeks after second shot I noticed a tight chested feeling, intermittent palpitations, intermittent sharp pain sensations around the heart/lungs, and inability to focus and concentrate. Most of those have resolved except the brain fog but I noticed that on strenuous cardio workouts I've slowed down. It's harder to catch a breath and I still haven't recovered to baseline condition.
 
i don't know if i believe it all but i do notice a trend in some of the side effect complaints

:shrug:
 
alasdairm said:
taking pleasure in the pain and sickness of others, regardless of their politics, is low.

alasdair
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I really don’t see Mr Krinkle trying to get off on other’s suffering. I missed the upbeat glee in his posts on this. That would just be heartless. I don’t feel you can substantiate that accusation. I’m sure Mr Krinke takes zero pleasure or reward in any of this.

I certainly take none nor look for any, from any angle.
 
Xorkoth said:
True; by the same token, you don't know that it didn't, though. So rather than on a case by case basis, we should be looking at the total numbers and percentages in aggregate.
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Thats illogical and defies common sense but its a useful way of confusing people until another narrative comes along. Its pretty clever. You dont know if you will get run over when you leave the house but you dont wait for data to prove you wont. Then again, you could in an insane world convince people that because there is no surefire way to know if you will die when you leave the home that you shouldnt leave home.

If you succeeded in that, wouldnt you call that brainwashing? You managed to manipulate people into believing they couldnt live a normal functional life by using illogical nonsensical arguments that are difficult to argue with, because they defy common sense (we all know we have to take risks to live our life). Abusive people use the same tactics; gaslighting. Just try it on somebody. If its such a normal healthy thing. Do an experiment. Get your friends and posit an argument for why they cant do something but make it illogical and irrational but in a way that dumbfounds them enough to not have a reasonable response to your argument. Take yourself out of todays current situation and well before any of this to restore a sense of normalcy.

Ex.
You cant meet me today because there is a chance we could die.

Well, sure, there is a chance you could die but that doesnt stop you from living a normal functional life.

You cant meet me. It is the rules.



That right there is hard to argue with because its illogical. We all get caught up in those situations from time to time, dont we? A work colleague whose got a problem over nothing. A child who doesnt understand something and uses magical thinking to process the issue. A mentally ill friend who cannot think straight sometimes. Its difficult to argue with because of the absurdity of the content of what they are thinking and/or saying. If you got caught up in it though you could end up taking it personally or maybe believing them. Come on, whose not been in a situation like that before? You take people with severe OCD for example and maybe agoraphobia or something. Their beliefs are not rational and functional hence the disorder. Their beliefs are irrational but if we made our society function based off those beliefs, it would be difficult to argue against it because, well, you cannot argue with any of it. The option would be to force your will on people or simply surrender. You either lose your sh*t or you lose your sh*t. From an objective standpoint you can defend but when it becomes normalized, that infers objectivity has left the building so more and more people are starting to adopt the symptoms of the mental illness. What started it could have been the triggering of fear, paranoia, anxiety, existential terror etc. That made people malleable and then, viola, there opens a space for us all to believe we shouldnt leave our homes because we could die or that the dangers of life are far too great to actually live.
 
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Xorkoth said:
True; by the same token, you don't know that it didn't, though. So rather than on a case by case basis, we should be looking at the total numbers and percentages in aggregate.
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Here let me give this statement a better context than calling it illogical (like above). This is in a nutshell how humans advance. Numbers percentages, aggregates. Yes on an individual level each person is their own universe and some people could have adverse effects. But the numbers do state that the people in hospitals are mostly unvaccinated, the people in their family that are vaccinated seem better off when the virus is around, and the numbers support that.

Initially I hated that it was a numbers game. I felt like we were leaving the humanness out of it. But as I kept thinking about it this is how humans do anthing in life, by looking at the numbers. Sounds cold and sterile but we almost have to do that and call the single entity the human race.

For context I had no reaction to the first shot. Calling it pain at the injection site would have been hypochondriac. That is one example. Another is my friends 93 year old mother healthy one day and dying two days after her first shot. Two individual responses. But the numbers support us continuing to use our intelligence to at least try and keep people safe.

I believe with all my heart it is still an individual choice. No bias at all as I feel I live on both sides of the do I or don't I argument.
 
JackARoe said:
Here let me give this statement a better context than calling it illogical (like above). This is in a nutshell how humans advance. Numbers percentages, aggregates. Yes on an individual level each person is their own universe and some people could have adverse effects. But the numbers do state that the people in hospitals are mostly unvaccinated, the people in their family that are vaccinated seem better off when the virus is around, and the numbers support that.

Initially I hated that it was a numbers game. I felt like we were leaving the humanness out of it. But as I kept thinking about it this is how humans do anthing in life, by looking at the numbers. Sounds cold and sterile but we almost have to do that and call the single entity the human race.

For context I had no reaction to the first shot. Calling it pain at the injection site would have been hypochondriac. That is one example. Another is my friends 93 year old mother healthy one day and dying two days after her first shot. Two individual responses. But the numbers support us continuing to use our intelligence to at least try and keep people safe.

I believe with all my heart it is still an individual choice. No bias at all as I feel I live on both sides of the do I or don't I argument.
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That is illogical too. You are using the same logic and falling for peer pressure to reinforce the mass hysteria based on the nonsensical beliefs, and I will use my example here, you cannot leave home IN CASE you die. Makes no difference how you word it, you take risks everyday. You take risks now using the internet but the numbers will show your country had millions of cyber attacks in the last 24 hours which to an outsider of the cybersecurity community looks like your country is being invaded. You could posit an argument and say that this is true, and how can someone argue when the numbers reflect a lot of cyber attacks? Its illogical and nonsensical on the basic level of awareness. Here we are now, talking, and all those endless cyber attacks continue. The truth is right in front of you.

RIP your friends mother. That is even more proof we must continue on living because to not do that, to sacrifice ourselves for the belief we cannot leave the home (again, to use my example) because there are threats in the world lead precisely to this. Do these people actually matter, or are they just pawns in this crazy narrative? Do they not count, because the collective hysteria and delusions are so strong the truth of what is going on cannot be seen? All the people dying so that WE feel (emphasis on FEEL as a subjective experience) safer yet we can and always have been able to leave the home? We just sacrifice innocent people caught up in this illogical nonsensical mass fog in order to achieve the unreachable goal of feeling safe?
 
Isn’t mRNA vaccines fairly new, so as far as saying if the vaccine had adverse effect it should happen x amount of time after the vaccine, but that is for traditional vaccines which from what I understand the COVID vax is not ? So for all we know there could be way more adverse reaction that will not be put into the vax stats ?
 
w01fg4ng said:
I'm pretty sure Covid 19 is fairly new as well, but I'm sure some people here would love to write a wall of text about how wrong I am.
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It’s new to us. It was arguably new to nature until it’s moment of creation.

But we don’t have a time stamp on that, nor betting odds. I wouldn’t personally put my money on 2019/2020 but 2002 I would take a shot. So it would have been new to nature then, but for how long I wonder?

How long is something technically new? It’s. A timeless concept really. A fixed date. Exact moment. The concept of new goes further and is cultural, slang and figurative.

As “new”s reaches all corners of the Globe for example, years after whichever event.

I would bet on Covid being older than the vaxes though. Ofc I can’t prove that, who d’yo think I am, Fauci? Lol.
 
w01fg4ng said:
I'm pretty sure Covid 19 is fairly new as well, but I'm sure some people here would love to write a wall of text about how wrong I am.
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You mean challenge what you say, which they are entitled to do? You are forgetting, or trying to repress, the natural response to what is being experienced - questioning it. If there are walls of text, you live in a healthy society that is communicating, reaching out to others, caring. If you dont have it, like in totalaritarian states, normal healthy human behaviour is swapped out for mass delusions, hysteria and inhumanity.
 
AutoTripper said:
I really don’t see Mr Krinkle trying to get off on other’s suffering. I missed the upbeat glee in his posts on this. That would just be heartless. I don’t feel you can substantiate that accusation. I’m sure Mr Krinke takes zero pleasure or reward in any of this.

I certainly take none nor look for any, from any angle.
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yea i don't care what he thinks....he wants to twist what i post, go right ahead....he'll cry about it to somebody else eventually anyway :limp:
 
it's there in black and white so people can make up their own minds. if you didn't care about it you wouldn't have bothered responding. q.e.d.

@AutoTripper said i could not substantiate the claim. i did.

@AutoTripper said he is sure you take zero pleasure in it. you do.

alasdair
 
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