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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What are your chances of dying if you catch the coronavirus?

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For all these reasons, reported infection fatality rates have varied. To get a better estimate, Brazeau and his team looked at 175 studies, finding just 10 they regarded as reliable. They adjusted for confounding factors and calculated the death rate for each age group, including 0 per cent for under 4s, less than 0.1 per cent for people under 40, 0.36 per cent if 50 to 54, 2.17 if 70 to 74, 5 per cent if 80 to 84 and 16 per cent for those over 90

that's more relative to the .002%

but the odds of being unvaccinated and catching covid needs to be factored in
 
tubgirl.jpg said:
Why are you pulling numbers out of context? And how is 0.002% A LOT?
You posted an article you clearly hadn't read, and then you begin to refer to other articles when somebody questions you about the first one.
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that's the original question? which numbers were out of context?

you'll have to start over because you lost me

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Mr. Krinkle said:
that's the original question? which numbers were out of context?

you'll have to start over because you lost me

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Because all these numbers are not proper study numbers you cant really extrapolate data from them like you would a study group.

The 5 million vaccinated didn't also all get exposed to covid 19 only 10,000 apx were certainly exposed because 10,000 vaccinated people still contracted covid 19

If we could say All 5 million were exposed then we would have a vaccine providing 99.8% effectiveness.

We can only say that we are certain 10,000 were exposed as those are the number of infected vaccinated. With no control group it makes no sense to say this is a small number. If you have monthly statistics showing number of infections total pre vaccine and after you might be able to get a vague idea of what is happening. But to say it's only those 10k and the other 4,990,000 are fine only holds if they all get exposed.
 
the .002% is throwing you off because it's not relative

.002% of ppl that were vaccinated died right? ok - so that only matters if you know how many total unvaccinated ppl there are and the percent of them that died from covid

let's look at this:

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Yourbaker said:
Because all these numbers are not proper study numbers you cant really extrapolate data from them like you would a study group.

The 5 million vaccinated didn't also all get exposed to covid 19 only 10,000 apx were certainly exposed because 10,000 vaccinated people still contracted covid 19

If we could say All 5 million were exposed then we would have a vaccine providing 99.8% effectiveness.

We can only say that we are certain 10,000 were exposed as those are the number of infected vaccinated. With no control group it makes no sense to say this is a small number. If you have monthly statistics showing number of infections total pre vaccine and after you might be able to get a vague idea of what is happening. But to say it's only those 10k and the other 4,990,000 are fine only holds if they all get exposed.
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It would be compared to a similar place where they had five million unvaccinated people.
The place, time, people will always matter and that makes a bit of a difference, but not much usually.
 
I have never known anyone who has died from the flu, but I had 2 family members die, one who was not a lot older than me and previously healthy. Also had my friend's grandma die and 2 of my mom's friends. The latter were all over 65, but still, like I said I've never known anyone to die from the flu, although I am well aware many people have and do every year. Covid is certainly a far cry from a super deadly disease, it's no polio or smallpox, but it is still something to take seriously, it's not just the flu. Also a lot of people experience "long covid" including neurological problems and lung damage. We really don't understand much about it. people are worried about the long term side effects of the vaccines, which is sensible, but I worry about the long term side effects of covid more. Since I already had it, I guess I'll see whether it's something to worry about. I wish I would have gotten vaccinated early enough to avoid catching it, though. For all we know, covid will show back up 5 years later with a whole host of different symptoms like some other viruses do. I'm not and have never been terrified of the virus, but I think we should be trying to do whatever we can to minimize the amount of people getting it. It's really ramping up again now because of the delta variant. Some areas are running low on hospital beds again already, and are canceling elective procedures, which really sucks for those people.

I am most worried that it will mutate again into something worse than delta. That's my biggest active concern about the whole thing. Not the covid I already got, and not the vaccine I also got in order to give myself the best immunity possible. It sucked pretty bad when I got it, I don't fancy getting it again.

For these reasons, I really wish a lot more people hadn't become so fearful of the vaccines, but I do believe it should be everyone's own choice still, because of personal freedom. We even have a traditional vaccine (Johnson and Johnson) that isn't the new mRNA technology, which I would think should make some people less nervous, especially those who have had all the standard vaccinations throughout their lives that use the same technology. I get being nervous about a new technology that doesn't have a track record of human usage. But those are not the only option. It would be awesome if we could avoid 10 million more people needlessly dying worldwide. But it seems like we won't.

I'm curious what people who are against the vaccine think about the fact that they caught a Russian group the other day operating a massive vaccine disinformation campaign? Does that say anything to you about this whole thing? Maybe they're just trying to get everyone to want their vaccine? Or else spreading societal discord.
 
Xorkoth said:
areas are running low on hospital beds again already, and are canceling elective procedures, which really sucks for those people.
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I don't know anyone who had confirmed covid, but I know plenty who were ill in the months before tests were freely available.
I don't know anyone who got seriously ill from suspected covid, not one.
I know some of the people who had elective surgery postponed and I heard of people who had their cancer surgeries postponed in our nearest hospital.
Don't forget, elective surgeries are things like coronary artery bypass operations and knee replacements, things that are very essential to the patient.
When medical staff are moved to care for covid patients they can't do other shifts for surgery until after they quarantine.
I don't know much more about vaccines than my dog does, but I know sometimes we have to take a leap of faith and hope for the best and doing nothing clearly is a disastrous approach where millions die.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
the .002% is throwing you off because it's not relative

.002% of ppl that were vaccinated died right? ok - so that only matters if you know how many total unvaccinated ppl there are and the percent of them that died from covid

let's look at this:

ylHw3py.png
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Still utterly irrelevant to what we were discussing.
 
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Xorkoth said:
I have never known anyone who has died from the flu, but I had 2 family members die, one who was not a lot older than me and previously healthy. Also had my friend's grandma die and 2 of my mom's friends. The latter were all over 65, but still, like I said I've never known anyone to die from the flu, although I am well aware many people have and do every year. Covid is certainly a far cry from a super deadly disease, it's no polio or smallpox, but it is still something to take seriously, it's not just the flu. Also a lot of people experience "long covid" including neurological problems and lung damage. We really don't understand much about it. people are worried about the long term side effects of the vaccines, which is sensible, but I worry about the long term side effects of covid more. Since I already had it, I guess I'll see whether it's something to worry about. I wish I would have gotten vaccinated early enough to avoid catching it, though. For all we know, covid will show back up 5 years later with a whole host of different symptoms like some other viruses do. I'm not and have never been terrified of the virus, but I think we should be trying to do whatever we can to minimize the amount of people getting it. It's really ramping up again now because of the delta variant. Some areas are running low on hospital beds again already, and are canceling elective procedures, which really sucks for those people.

I am most worried that it will mutate again into something worse than delta. That's my biggest active concern about the whole thing. Not the covid I already got, and not the vaccine I also got in order to give myself the best immunity possible. It sucked pretty bad when I got it, I don't fancy getting it again.

For these reasons, I really wish a lot more people hadn't become so fearful of the vaccines, but I do believe it should be everyone's own choice still, because of personal freedom. We even have a traditional vaccine (Johnson and Johnson) that isn't the new mRNA technology, which I would think should make some people less nervous, especially those who have had all the standard vaccinations throughout their lives that use the same technology. I get being nervous about a new technology that doesn't have a track record of human usage. But those are not the only option. It would be awesome if we could avoid 10 million more people needlessly dying worldwide. But it seems like we won't.

I'm curious what people who are against the vaccine think about the fact that they caught a Russian group the other day operating a massive vaccine disinformation campaign? Does that say anything to you about this whole thing? Maybe they're just trying to get everyone to want their vaccine? Or else spreading societal discord.
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So Delta was already in motion tho when the vaccine rollout began, so im not too sure that even if 100% of ppl got the shots, we;d be in the clear...we wouldn't be

we'd have less ppl in the hospital supposedly right? but delta would still be raging because of how ineffective the vaccines are against it to begin with....again, maybe some less severe symptoms, but that would really be it....we'd still have mutations because it's still able to infect ppl

the thought that the current vaccines alone can end this needs to be rethought


and Russia, they're just interested in keeping us divided to keep us occupied with internal problems - that's all that is
 
AutoTripper said:
A trace found its way into my nerves. Ive had Long Covid, moving around, since the initial infection, it’s impossible for me to pinpoint target the whole nervous system for direct localised treatments as I do successfully with lungs sinuses and throat.

The Covid was out of my nerves last month and only detected in liver and bladder, I’ve since treated my liver and strongly expect it to be only in my bladder ....only the Long Covid working it’s course though the body.
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I think this is on-topic ish at least as related to virus etc

On dozens of occasions I've seen you post stuff like " x virus is in liver, covid only now detected in bladder" and so on

I have never once in my life heard anyone be able to say such things, and with such certainty too

I'd truly love to know by what means are you aware of this? And by 'this', I mean - how do you know where the virus 'goes' and 'settles etc? And how are the many viral infections you have/had identified in the first place?
 
www.newsweek.com

No, the unvaccinated aren't selfish or ignorant. Here's why I'm Not vaxxed | Opinion

Clear, transparent information about what the vaccine does, what its risks and limitations are, and what other options exist especially for prevention and early outpatient treatment are what is needed to restore trust.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com

thats a good read....i suggest some of you read that and open your minds to others thoughts instead of considering your own so superior
 
www.realclearpolitics.com

CDC Director: Vaccines No Longer Prevent You From Spreading COVID

Fully vaccinated people who get a COVID-19 "breakthrough" infection can spread the virus to others even if they are not symptomatic, Centers for Disease Control Director Rochelle Walensky told CNN on Thursday. She warned that an autumn/winter surge in the COVID "Delta" variant could again see...
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"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well," she said. "They continue to work well with delta with regard to severe illness and death, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission."


watch the video and listen - she says it on CNN


they don't stop transmission
 
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