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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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chinup said:
its a tragedy but far, far lower than the expected number of deaths due to covid in the vaccinated cohort. so overall, massive win. thank you science!!

but you know that.
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ya think so?

idk but i think it should be working better than that


Israel is still having a lot of problems and they're heavily vaccinated
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
Israel is still having a lot of problems and they're heavily vaccinated
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israel data suggests the vaccine works too: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/il

compare the death rate now to when the case numbers were similar (i.e. feb) but vaccination rates were much lower. it is clearly preventing hundreds of deaths. but, its not 100%, but no one is claiing it is so that doesn't matter. cases, and therefore deaths, would be exponentially higher now without their good vaccination coverage.

smallpox vaccine killed some people, and do you know what, i'd have sacrificed myself or my nearest and dearest to eradicate it, for the greater good. all vaccines cause a small number of deaths, but they prevent so many more that they're a no brainer.
 
That's not why we're all wearing masks again

it's because the vaccines don't stop the spread - so we're all still spreading it, vaccinated or not
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
it's because the vaccines don't stop the spread - so we're all still spreading it, vaccinated or not
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source?

there is a large discrepancy between the data i have seen (that strongly suggest vaccines prevent most- not all- transmission) so i'm very interested to see what good quality information you can provide to back up your claim.
 
Even IF the vaccine doesn't stop transmission, it prevents serious illness and death in the vast majority of cases. If every single person enjoyed that kind of protection, there would be no mandates and covid would begin to fade into obscurity.
 
However we figure this, face the fence, it’s clearly co that there is a growing resentment, building into hatred it will, of us unjabbed.

They shouldn’t get equal privileges to hospital treatment.

Is where it has started already. We’ve almost had, except I’m not sure they realised they were supporting it- so what if they can’t get into the food shops, it’s their own silly choice, pah!

I’m not vaxxed. I will die first. But very very unlikely “with” even. I have not had any detectable trace of the virus in any area to be transmittable, i.e. airways, since the first week it hit last September.

So many people not jabbed have also had the virus now. I seem, to have immunity, which I did not expect.

So I really can’t see the justification for labelling me personally at least, and this same may apply to other non jabbed recovered currently non carrying and transmitting people, as the problem. The spreader. Weak link in the chain.

Scum! Is where we are heading, bit, by bit, by bit. And detestable scum too it will become, without the good people realising how this extreme and radical, divisive, extreme measure supporting and really very inhumane too, attitude and outlook has been subtly programmed into them by cunning fear and rhetoric.

So I am accepting that I will become increasingly the unpopular, loathed scorn of the people who fully buy the media and stats and “science”, just be careful people please, this was never intended or expected to turn into a proper witch hunt which is right where we are heading.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
then why are we putting Israel the highest risk list?
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i dunno mate your foreign and travel policy has little basis in fact so it doesn't surprise me that, despite the data showing Israel doing very well- and clearly you agree cos you had to resort to whataboutery- its on a red list.

seriously right now i can't travel to the states on holiday for at least 2 years without having to be subjected serious questioning in the embassy but i coulda travelled there this month with work under the guise of your 'national security' and been waved in no questions asked. it makes no sense.

anyway- where is your source that vaccinated people transmit covid at comparable levels to unvaccinated?
 
AutoTripper said:
However we figure this, face the fence, it’s clearly co that there is a growing resentment, building into hatred it will, of us unjabbed.
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i think its pretty normal to resent people who are contributing to the ongoing restrictions and risks. it is known that unvaccinated people flouting rules caused a massive surge in my area, and they are therefore responsible for many deaths. kinda a hateful thing to do.
AutoTripper said:
So many people not jabbed have also had the virus now. I seem, to have immunity, which I did not expect.
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you can have it and be asymptomatic. that's part of why its such a bastard to contain. so without an antibody test you have no idea whether you're immune or just lucky. given your respiritory problems i'd be very concerned about your prognosis were you to contract covid, so please get vaccinated.
 
mal3volent said:
Even IF the vaccine doesn't stop transmission, it prevents serious illness and death in the vast majority of cases. If every single person enjoyed that kind of protection, there would be no mandates and covid would begin to fade into obscurity.
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thats what you think


but there would still be breakthrough infections and ppl dying like there is now....their might be less, but their also might eventually be more from mutations and it could get worse....we really don't know
 
mal3volent said:
Not only are unvaccinated people killing grandma, they're the reason mask mandates are coming back. They're the reason we are going backwards again instead of forwards.
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Sorry when you take my text line by line you can really adjust what I wrote to support your own opinions.

People who have covid can transmit it to others. The vaccines are not working to prevent people from having covid.

Those of us who ave had covid have a lengthy immune period and are not responsible for killing anyone.

I'll just keep waiting til sanity sets in. The vaccine slurry isn't producing any confidence in me and rather then blame those few people who don't have any confidence in the product I'd suggest remake the product properly. In the mean time every vaccinated person who still gets covid is a huge opportunity for viral evolution. Certainly as time goes by the vaccines we are now looking at will all be dropped in favor of something better.

I'll wait and I won't infect any one either unless I catch some mutated strain that there is no vaccine for. I can't emphasize that enough. The vaccines we are offered are not designed for any of the variants and the fact they work at all in them is actually luck.

Call it the get lucky vaccine. Maybe it'll protect you from something if your lucky.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:

Delta variant: CDC says vaccinated people can transmit 'same amount of virus' as those unvaccinated

www.msn.com


does that work for you or do you have a problem with that too?
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that is viral load- so if by your original claim you meant 'the small percentage of vaccinated people who get covd have comparable viral loads to those who are unvaccinated' then its fine. but that's not what you said. you said vaccines do not stop the spread. a comparable viral load in the minority for whom the vaccine is not effective does not imply vaccines don't stop the spread.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
well - they don't stop the spread
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ffs. is that all you have to say? because the data are clear that you are wrong, i guess you can't even find any other sources that upon a swift reading clearly don't back up your claim. or you've learned i read them and decided to stop wasting my time? if so, thank you.
 
chinup said:
that is viral load- so if by your original claim you meant 'the small percentage of vaccinated people who get covd have comparable viral loads to those who are unvaccinated' then its fine. but that's not what you said. you said vaccines do not stop the spread. a comparable viral load in the minority for whom the vaccine is not effective does not imply vaccines don't stop the spread.
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This brings up a good question. When someone has natural (had the virus) immunity what are the times before that immunity usually wears off to the point you can re-catch this virus?

Would the viral load of a previously infected person who had immunity be larger or smaller?

If I read you correctly a person with natural immunity would be exactly the same as a person who had their covid shots. Or perhaps better off because they would have the correct immunity as opposed to the near miss from the vaccine. Certainly I'd need to see some kind of medical study that proved somehow viral loads on vaccinated carriers vs unvaccinated repeat covid victims were in anyway anything at all that says naturally immune people should also get shots.

And I'll argue this point til some one actually writes something real. Please avoid calling me names or making slurs toward me I haven't done anything besides repeatedly say the same thing. The vaccines are missing by too far a mark, we need a better one. I wouldn't put any of the current offerings in my body since I've already had covid.

If I hadn't had covid I'd probably rather have it now that I know a fair number of people who have had it. I know two people who had a complicated covid event, 1 died. I know dozens of people who have been bed ridden from these vaccines and 1 died.

Zero confidence in the shots, not religious enough to get behind them til we see better results.
 
Yourbaker said:
This brings up a good question. When someone has natural (had the virus) immunity what are the times before that immunity usually wears off to the point you can re-catch this virus?

Would the viral load of a previously infected person who had immunity be larger or smaller?

If I read you correctly a person with natural immunity would be exactly the same as a person who had their covid shots. Or perhaps better off because they would have the correct immunity as opposed to the near miss from the vaccine. Certainly I'd need to see some kind of medical study that proved somehow viral loads on vaccinated carriers vs unvaccinated repeat covid victims were in anyway anything at all that says naturally immune people should also get shots.

And I'll argue this point til some one actually writes something real. Please avoid calling me names or making slurs toward me I haven't done anything besides repeatedly say the same thing. The vaccines are missing by too far a mark, we need a better one. I wouldn't put any of the current offerings in my body since I've already had covid.

If I hadn't had covid I'd probably rather have it now that I know a fair number of people who have had it. I know two people who had a complicated covid event, 1 died. I know dozens of people who have been bed ridden from these vaccines and 1 died.

Zero confidence in the shots, not religious enough to get behind them til we see better results.
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Why do you think the governments are pushing the vaccines if they don't work?
 
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