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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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Xorkoth said:
I'm sorry man. Same thing happened to my cousin's girlfriend, except from covid. What a weird, shitty time we live in. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right... glad I didn't get any vaccine side effects. I was nervous though.
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thanks - im glad you didn't and nobody else here did either



i have other examples of possibilities....an old neighbor of mine, went downhill after the shot and passed away a few days ago - that downturn lasted about 2 months

then my cousin's wife - her grandfather, dead with a heart attack 3 days later

but the most horrific - and i don't know this individual, but i knew his dad who passed about 4 years ago, his son, 19, dead from cardiac arrest 2 days after the 2nd shot

and then the only covid death semi-close to me, was my step-brother's wife's dad - he died early on - May 2020 from covid

so then all the other ppl i know that had covid, all had it mildly with no lingering issues - and they all had similar issues, loss of smell, and just general malaise - nothing serious


now look - if i felt more comfortable with one of the shots, i wouldn't sit here and not understand other's concerns - i totally get it - if that's how you feel, don't get it - that's your choice
 
@JackARoe

1. We had a painter that had just got the first vaccine had to go home feeling sick
2. The painters partner told me his arm hurt and he could not work for 3 weeks after his first shot
3. A friend of mine who was just like me, internally conflicted finally got it and told me NO in a strong way. He felt sick and his arm her for a good while
3. My friends mother, cooked dinner for said friend and his sister. Got the first shot and ended up in the hopital and died two days later. Now this friend is
totslly antivax. He was stunned that the doctor brother and sister there in the hospital woild NOT bring up the vaccine.
4. My mothers friend went blind in one eye for a month and her doctor did correlate that with the vaccine. Brave doctor.
5. Numerous people felt sick for a week or two after the second shot.

Yet then there are the millions that got it and are fine. I do know a slew of friends that got it and are just fine. That is the data I have. That is why I am nervous. But I will say it again.. F*ck me. I get it. Just get it. And yet I can't.
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I know a lot of people who've had both AstraZeneca and Pfizer and I only know one person who had a negative reaction, but he ended up in the ICU.

My experience isn't statistically likely. Most people in this country don't know anyone who developed the platelet disorder from AZ. I can do the math.

Maybe we won the lottery... backwards?

I'm sorry that so many people close to you had such negative reactions, but like you said millions don't. I had both jabs of AZ and I'm totally fine. I got tested for the platelet disorder because I was afraid after witnessing my friend almost die.

The side effects from Astra (for me) were similar to the flu vaccine.

My arm hurt for two days. That's about it.

I'm not super healthy. I'm not fit. I don't eat well. I drink too much. I have a couple of medical conditions. I've had a few minor operations. I'm approaching middle age. Pretty sure the virus would fuck me harder than the vaccine.
 
I had the same, and also got COVID (before I got vaccinated). COVID sucked but was like the second worst flu I've had. The vaccine just made my arm sore. Months later I'm glad I did it. I am high risk since I am in a touring band. Half my band has not gotten the vaccine (we all got COVID at the same time) and I don't blame them.

I don't personally know anyone who got serious side effects from the vaccine, though I know it happens. I do know people who have died or had serious side effects from the virus. So that factored into my decision.
 
i have to do to the dentist today, still yet to be vaccinated. Im not anti vax (far from it) but i have extreme reactions due to my aspergers and i find i cant really go ahead without having to be put under for it . im such a pussy.

if i die from the virus, i want my gravestone to say "i told you so"
 
birdup.snaildown said:
I'm not super healthy. I'm not fit. I don't eat well. I drink too much. I have a couple of medical conditions. I've had a few minor operations. I'm approaching middle age. Pretty sure the virus would fuck me harder than the vaccine.
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and that's a pretty good personal reason to get the shot.....but how many ppl even have covid in the area you live? i think that should factor in to any decision

i feel the opposite - other than a few odd allergies, i think im pretty healthy - im not overweight, borderline low blood pressure, and i eat veggies everyday...,i drink no more than 2 beers in a day and not everyday, take a couple bong rips here and there and i eat acid a couple times a month for regular maintenance....i had an appendectomy when i was 36 - that's it....

i dont wanna take the risk of a stroke or heart attack just so maybe i don't catch covid - and that's a big maybe because it's still more likely that you wont even catch it, more likely that you'll be asymtomatic, more likely to be mild

i think the odds of everything just tilt it towards the side of keep your needle away from me


and what kinda "vaccine" just prevents you from not getting as sick as you might get sick? so everybody is still passing it around? what about the variants that they may be causing?

the rate of side effects is much higher than anything reported on VAERS and that's a fact


sit back and watch because you're gonna see more develop with time - if you're being injected with mRNA, which is synthetic by nature, and which may remain viable for a lot longer than anyone suspects, we don't really know if the antibodies produced could be a source of problems because we don't even know how long they'll last, and there's the possibility that they can cause an exaggerated immune response, which could kill you....so the question remains, how safe is it long-term? from say 3 months to 3 years?

it's gonna take years to really know about fertility too and the shots definitely are having an effect on that - they just don't know to what degree yet....but they wanna vaccinate children who have a 99.998% chance of recovery with no treatment....and then ya got ppl from ages 18 to 45 who have a 99.95% chance of recovery with no treatment, and these stats are according to the CDC....

i look at the numbers and see what's happened around me, and research what can possibly go wrong with the shots to come up with a decision that heavily weights in toward the side of remaining unvaccinated

so i state why or why not and im told that i don't make sense by a pro-vaxxer? ok then
 
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and then you have places of employment telling ppl to get the shot or be terminated, when some of them are opting out because they already had covid, which makes perfect sense right? there's no way in hell i'd get the shot and take the slight risk of a bad outcome from the shot when i already did great vs. the disease itself and i have the better anti-bodies now

everybody knows that natural antibodies are always more effective than vaccine induced antibodies - and that's been proven....so that in itself is highly suspect and appears to me that they just want to produce more vaccines for more money....i mean think about it, there's a large amount of shots being missed out on by ppl who've already had it....and these are the same companies that handed out opiates like candy in the 2000s
 
The reasoning is that the vaccines should provide broader immunity to different variants than the antibodies for one particular variant. Not being a virologist, I am not sure whether that is true or not, but it's why I got vaccinated anyway after getting COVID. Also they are finding that antibodies only last about 3 months or so from infection whereas they last much longer for vaccines. Of course this is assuming that is true and not lies. Again I am not knowledgeable enough to know this myself, so I have to rely on what someone tells me as do most of us. So it's about choosing who to believe.
 
Xorkoth said:
The reasoning is that the vaccines should provide broader immunity to different variants than the antibodies for one particular variant. Not being a virologist, I am not sure whether that is true or not, but it's why I got vaccinated anyway after getting COVID. Also they are finding that antibodies only last about 3 months or so from infection whereas they last much longer for vaccines. Of course this is assuming that is true and not lies. Again I am not knowledgeable enough to know this myself, so I have to rely on what someone tells me as do most of us. So it's about choosing who to believe.
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Mmmm ok....so ya got all these olympic athletes in Japan, showing up, then testing positive and not being allowed to play even tho they got shots

i guess the vaccine induced antibodies are really doing well from keeping ppl from getting infected

again - what kind of vaccine is it if ppl still catch it and test positive but the symptoms are just hopefully lowered? thats all it does? well then i think you guys need to keep working on it


the only one i think might be worth anything is the Novavax shot - but we'll see what happens with that....i would buy stock in NVAX if i had money to throw around
 
Calling on Americans to get vaccinated against Covid-19, Biden said, "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the ICU unit and you're not going to die." In another exchange moments later, Biden said that even if vaccinated people do "catch the virus," they are "not likely to get sick."
But then, during a third exchange, Biden said that since the vaccines "cover" the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus: "You're not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations."


and then you have another idiot president making false claims just like the last guy...

it's ridiculous - politicians really should just stop talking about anything health related when they're clueless and older than the hills
 
Its alarming that a high % of people who have been vaccinated are hospital covid admissions here in england. So how effective these are against the delta variant i am not entirely confident. But i am told its saving lives. I have still yet to be jabbed. did go to a dentist today for a check up and made sure to do a rapid test to make sure i wasn't putting workers at risk.

I do care about others which is the main reason i may get it but how effective is it against spreading the virus if alot of the patients are hospital admissions still?

I never heard this with mumps or measels. But i have never taken the flu jab but have read/ understand that its also not 100% effective against the flu. Why does somethinf like mumps are fully vaccinated like no symptoms but with covid and flu its different? They are all viruses right (although different correct)?
 
Sorry its 40% . He did say 60% but corrected himself afterwards. still slightly scary but i imagine these numbers would be higher if people were not vaccinated.

I think we shouldnt even come out of lockdown. But then i am such a worrier.

news.sky.com

COVID-19: Vallance corrects mistake to say 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus are unvaccinated

Earlier, Sir Patrick Vallance told a news conference 60% of coronavirus-related hospital admissions were double-jabbed people - but he later corrected himself.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
Bare_head said:
Its alarming that a high % of people who have been vaccinated are hospital covid admissions here in england. So how effective these are against the delta variant i am not entirely confident. But i am told its saving lives. I have still yet to be jabbed. did go to a dentist today for a check up and made sure to do a rapid test to make sure i wasn't putting workers at risk.

I do care about others which is the main reason i may get it but how effective is it against spreading the virus if alot of the patients are hospital admissions still?

I never heard this with mumps or measels. But i have never taken the flu jab but have read/ understand that its also not 100% effective against the flu. Why does somethinf like mumps are fully vaccinated like no symptoms but with covid and flu its different? They are all viruses right (although different correct)?
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The flu vaccine is a great example of how this one is working. The flu shot produces antibodies against the several strains of flu they expect to be the biggest in a given year. It provides less protection against other variants, though it still will help as you will get less sick. Same thing here. The vaccine was developed against the alpha strain (the original I believe, in any case it was against the original strain), and now we have several mutations and the delta is predominant. The vaccines are less effective against the delta and will probably be even less effective against further mutations.

In America people there have been something like 5000 breakthrough deaths, of course that is out of a whole lot of people, and is much less than non-vaccinated deaths. The rate of hospitalization is also far, far less. No vaccine has ever been 100% effective though. The reason we wiped out polio and smallpox and others is because basically everyone got vaccinated, and we achieved herd immunity. It's not because it was 100% effective against the diseases. I'm pretty sure people were way more eager to get those vaccines, since those diseases are orders of magnitude more deadly than covid.
 
thanks alot for that. i need to do some research into these things . it does interest me. i remember having a vaccination in school and had quite a severe reaction from it. had some PTSD about getting a vaccine again but thats my problem i guess that i have to face and deal with it, i want to be able to leave this shitty place called england and it might be wise to get the vaccine so i can travel when and where i want
 
Xorkoth said:
The flu vaccine is a great example of how this one is working. The flu shot produces antibodies against the several strains of flu they expect to be the biggest in a given year. It provides less protection against other variants, though it still will help as you will get less sick.
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Im sorry but that's just not true. It will not help you get less sick - ive seen plenty of ppl laid out from the flu even tho they got the shot

i got the flu shot twice and both times i caught the flu - so that was that for me....last one i got was in 2009 - never again and i caught the flu once after that thanks to my kid bringing it home
 
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