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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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Xorkoth said:
I was working on my friend's farm last weekend with a health care worker hippie chick who expressed the belief to me that vaccine should be a personal choice, and that the responsibility lies on each individual to ensure they take care of themselves enough to not be immunocompromised. I thought this was a strange and rather self-centered view. it relies on the assumption that everyone, if they take care of themselves, can eliminate the risk of serious disease from COVID... essentially it is saying, if you get really sick from it, it's your fault for not taking care of yourself. Yet this is demonstrably not the case. Many otherwise healthy people have genetic conditions, or cancers, or so on, that do not allow them to not be immunocompromised. Not to mention the elderly.



This isn't really a fair comparison. Hepatitis isn't transmissible by breathing, so unless said person is walking into your store randomly stabbing people with used needles, it's not the same.
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Doesn't matter...how do i know you don't have racing stripes on your underwear? Passport please....
 
you guys can keep claiming that the covid shots prevent the spread of the virus all ya want, when that hasn't been proven to be the case


so go ahead....keep claiming thats the case
 
Xorkoth said:
Also reminds me of American Nurses Union coming out against the CDC's lifting mask restrictions for fully vaccinated people. Because they want vaccination to be a choice and some nurses have decided not to get it, so the union is mad because it "puts frontline healthcare workers at risk". I'm sorry, but if you're a frontline medical worker, and you refuse to get the vaccine, that's on you. They should be spending their energy trying to get these nurses to vaccinate, not trying to force everyone who has done their part and is now immune to still have to act like they haven't because some people who are constantly exposed to risk, and constantly expose those they care for to risk, decided not to vaccinate themselves (which also puts the elderly and other vulnerable people they care for at risk because of their choice). I guess that's their fault for choosing to be so old and sick, though.
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Oh ok - because everybody is the same in your brand of utopian socialism.....i gotcha
 
Pumpkin2021 said:
Apparently by June 1st everyone will be pulling off their masks. ( The vaccinated ). The Doctors in my neck of the woods are saying that the vaccinated need only wear their masks on two occasions. One being in a medical building and the other being in an area where fresh air is not circulated ( such as an airliner.)

Since we aren't wearing placards on our back to identify whether we have had the vaccine or not no one will know whether one has had it or not.

The un-vaccinated will also be walking around without masks as they don't care now and they might not have cared ever.

How safe does everyone feel knowing you will be coming face to face with the un-vaxxed? Asking everyone you meet obviously won't work. Are you still going to social distance?
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well you can hide the rest of your life, watch CNN and stay afraid, or you can turn the TV off, grow a nutsack, and go the fuck outside and stop worrying about whether you're gonna get sick or not

its real simple

there's filth and disease everywhere....has that stopped you before from using that porta-potty?

for cying out loud....
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
well you can hide the rest of your life, watch CNN and stay afraid, or you can turn the TV off, grow a nutsack, and go the fuck outside and stop worrying about whether you're gonna get sick or not

its real simple

there's filth and disease everywhere....has that stopped you before from using that porta-potty?

for cying out loud....
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You have me pegged all wrong pal. You aren't even close to how I live my life. Not by a long shot.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
oh im not saying you specifically, im just saying ppl in general
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Ummm....yeah ok. No need to back pedal now. I simply asked a question " Are the vaxxed people going to keep social distancing" and instead of replying on that you assumed I was some kind of germaphobe. I don't normally mind people that pound their chest ad nauseum to get a point across. But you quoted me without answering any part of my post so you can say " people in general " but I don't believe you. You directed that remark to me.
 
Pumpkin2021 said:
Ummm....yeah ok. No need to back pedal now. I simply asked a question " Are the vaxxed people going to keep social distancing" and instead of replying on that you assumed I was some kind of germaphobe. I don't normally mind people that pound their chest ad nauseum to get a point across. But you quoted me without answering any part of my post so you can say " people in general " but I don't believe you. You directed that remark to me.
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pffft....listen pumpkin - i aint backpedalling from shit - i don't think you know who you're talking to

if you think the shoe fits, then wear it

what do you want me to tell ya...
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
pffft....listen pumpkin - i aint backpedalling from shit - i don't think you know who you're talking to

if you think the shoe fits, then wear it

what do you want me to tell ya...
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Why would you possibly think I care WHO I am talking to. I always wear shoes that fit. I give as good as I get. And I don't want you to tell me anything. You quoted my post and added nothing relevant. And I responded. You no like-y ? Tough shit.
 
Pumpkin2021 said:
Why would you possibly think I care WHO I am talking to. I always wear shoes that fit. I give as good as I get. And I don't want you to tell me anything. You quoted my post and added nothing relevant. And I responded. You no like-y ? Tough shit.
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Ok pumpkin :)
 

COVID Deaths Plummet as Excess Mortality Falls to Pre-COVID Levels​


Mises Wire reported:


Well, according to data through mid-March reported by Our World in Data and by the Human Mortality Database, excess mortality began to plummet in early January and is now back to levels below the 2015-2019 average.


Excess mortality peaked the week of Jan. 3 and then it began to collapse, dropping back to summer 2020 levels by mid February. By March 14, excess mortality was at 1% above the 2015-2019 average. All this occurred even as very few Americans were vaccinated. When excess deaths began to drop, less than 1% of Americans had been fully vaccinated. At the end of January, less than two% of Americans had been fully vaccinated. By the end of March, when excess mortality returned to 2019 levels, 15% of the population had been fully vaccinated.


As of May 11, only one-third of Americans had been fully vaccinated, although “experts” insist 60 to 70% of the population must be vaccinated before we can expect to see a drop-off in deaths like that which occurred earlier this year.
 

Uneven vaccination rates across the US linked to Covid-19 case trends, worry experts​


In mid-December, before the first dose of Covid-19 vaccine was administered in the United States, the Covid-19 case rate in New Jersey was tracking very close to the national average. Now, New Jersey has become a leader in vaccinations. It's one of the seven states that has already vaccinated more than 70% of adults with at least dose -- and the latest 7-day average of new cases in the state is about a third of the national average.

While New Jersey illustrates the link between higher vaccination rates and lower case rates, there are exceptions. Like New Jersey, Maine has also vaccinated more than 70% of adults with at least one dose of vaccine, but has reported one of the five worst per capita rates of new Covid-19 cases over the past week. And on the other end of the spectrum, Arkansas has one of the 10 lowest vaccination rates but one of the 10 lowest per capita rates of Covid-19 cases over the past week.



Ya see how stupid that is? Thats from CNN...Ya read the headline, and the first paragraph, and it makes you believe one thing....but then you read that second paragraph, and realize, what you just read was absolute bullshit
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
you guys can keep claiming that the covid shots prevent the spread of the virus all ya want, when that hasn't been proven to be the case
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with the caveats i mentioned the other day regarding proof in science...

what would you accept as proof that this is the case given that data or proposed biology isn't sufficient for you? data and models are all science deals with so i can see now we are talking at completely cross purposes, because that is the only 'proof' we can offer.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
Oh ok - because everybody is the same in your brand of utopian socialism.....i gotcha
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What is socialist about this? The idea that everyone has the same rights and responsibilities is not socialist at all, it's the cornerstone of individualist society. Freedoms are moderated by personal responsibility and when that personal responsibility is not exercised the freedom may be withdrawn (prison for lawbreaking for example).

There are people out there who have no reason to believe they are protected against the virus (haven't had it, haven't been vaccinated against it) and refuse to mask up. What has changed that they aren't treated the way Typhoid Mary was treated? Again, I point out, public opinion was very much in favour of her being quarantined indefinitely.
 
aemetha said:
What is socialist about this? The idea that everyone has the same rights and responsibilities is not socialist at all, it's the cornerstone of individualist society. Freedoms are moderated by personal responsibility and when that personal responsibility is not exercised the freedom may be withdrawn (prison for lawbreaking for example).

There are people out there who have no reason to believe they are protected against the virus (haven't had it, haven't been vaccinated against it) and refuse to mask up. What has changed that they aren't treated the way Typhoid Mary was treated? Again, I point out, public opinion was very much in favour of her being quarantined indefinitely.
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well that's a good queston aemetha.

and what's changed since we rounded up all of the Japanese Americans a few years after T. Mary died, during World War 2 and put them in encampments? Public opinion was very much in favor of that too, i'd like to point out also
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
and what's changed since we rounded up all of the Japanese Americans a few years after T. Mary died, during World War 2 and put them in encampments? Public opinion was very much in favor of that too, i'd like to point out also
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Do you think that wouldn't happen to Chinese Americans if the two nations went to war?
 

Ninth Fully Vaccinated Yankee Tests Positive for COVID — What Does That Say About Vaccine Efficacy?​


News that a ninth, fully vaccinated member of the New York Yankees organization tested positive for COVID is seen by some in the medical community as proof the vaccines work, because none of the nine became seriously ill or had to be hospitalized.


But others say the breakthrough cases raise questions about COVID test accuracy and the vaccine’s ability to prevent the virus and its transmission. They also point out that young, healthy athletes wouldn’t be expected to become seriously ill from COVID in the first place.
 

She’s Leading the Fight Against Mandatory Vaccines in Texas. She Also Happens to Be a Nurse.​

Texas Monthly reported:


Last month, Houston Methodist became the first hospital in the nation to require that all of its employees get vaccinated. Those who are unable to provide proof of vaccination by June 7 will be suspended without pay for two weeks, according to the company’s new HR policy; and those who haven’t been vaccinated by the end of their suspension will be subject to the “employment termination process.” To date, 98% of the 26,000 employees have gotten the jab. Bridges is refusing.


Bridges, who had a bout with COVID-19 last year, balks at the notion that she’s an anti-vaxxer. She said she has received annual flu inoculations and the vaccines for hepatitis B and measles, mumps, and rubella. But like millions of other Americans, she believes the COVID-19 vaccines — which received emergency use authorization — were rushed through the government’s approval process and that some who’ve received the shots have suffered severe side effects that are intentionally withheld from public view.


She said she’s encountered dozens of patients at the hospital who have experienced adverse reactions to the vaccines, such as blood clots, heart arrhythmias, and swollen appendages, and has received messages from other hospital workers who say they’ve witnessed the same.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
I do not think that would happen in this day and age.
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I think you have more faith in the good intentions of your fellow citizens and government than I do. I suspect that first generation immigrants would be rounded up at the least, along with any with close family ties to the mainland. Which kind of highlights my point - these are similar situations, I think the general populace would be considerably more amenable to that kind of restriction than they are for the virus. Wars are associated with patriotic sacrifice. The US citizenry accepted, with little complaint, significant rationing and restriction of movement during WW2. COVID has killed more Americans than WW2, and people have chafed against relatively minor restrictions like masks since day 1.
 
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