Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[Jabberwocky]

I wonder if we could unanimously agree, that at least since 1945, nothing has come near to COVID for causing as much global fear, let alone disruption.

That has to be the case.


Fear is their greatest weapon. A lot of this is essentially about that.

COVID created and used to create unnecessary, disproportionate, unjustified, and very health detrimental fear. Using media, lies, manipulation.

Plain truths.

COVID is one of few things I am absolutely not afraid of.

Like I’m not afraid of being run over by a bus. Or dropped out of a plane.

I am, theologically speaking, but to walk around in fight or flight mode 24/7 tethered to these possible events we have learnt to live with and not be dominated by it.


In the early days of COVID I recall now, Donald Trump said repeatedly, and emphatically- “Don’t let it Dominate you”.


He was referring to the fear.

I am not afraid. I am prudent. Which is to say I’ve evaluated risks and the pros and cons and decided for both my personal sake and the protection of people whose path I might cross and booked a shot next week.

We are not individuals. We live in communities and sometimes that means we do things as much for the good of others as we do for ourselves.

At least we do over here.

 

[AutoTripper]

I am not afraid. I am prudent. Which is to say I’ve evaluated risks and the pros and cons and decided for both my personal sake and the protection of people whose path I might cross and booked a shot next week.

We are not individuals. We live in communities and sometimes that means we do things as much for the good of others as we do for ourselves.

At least we do over here.

I appreciate and accept that. I didn’t mean to insinuate everybody feels the same way. I was speaking of the collective fear, massive scale it is on, vs anything else in our global lives besides WW’s.

And the fact obvious, undeniable, is the many many many individuals of all walks of life who are motivated largely by fear to follow all measures and get jabbed (jabbed is not innacurate, but again, vaccine.....IS), and how powerful such a level of mass induced fear, which is very very real and in play.

You speak correctly of another part of it. Rationality. Consideration, practical logical steps. Care for others!


That’s another wicked cunning way they’ve driven this from the start. This whole duty and shame ethical thing which they so easily indoctrinated into most people’s minds to make the people do the bidding on their relatives, neighbours, SELVES!!!


No offence meant I swear, nor patronisation. I thank you for your calm responses and honest thoughts.


I’m just trying to express my own strong beliefs, for a reason we have common ground in at least- I do actually care, like, for people, anyone, everyone.

Like, I feel it in my heart, the idea they would suffer and be unhappy, whoever it is.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I wonder if we could unanimously agree, that at least since 1945, nothing has come near to COVID for causing as much global fear, let alone disruption.

That has to be the case.


Fear is their greatest weapon. A lot of this is essentially about that.

COVID created and used to create unnecessary, disproportionate, unjustified, and very health detrimental fear. Using media, lies, manipulation.

Plain truths.

COVID is one of few things I am absolutely not afraid of.

Like I’m not afraid of being run over by a bus. Or dropped out of a plane.

I am, theologically speaking, but to walk around in fight or flight mode 24/7 tethered to these possible events we have learnt to live with and not be dominated by it.


In the early days of COVID I recall now, Donald Trump said repeatedly, and emphatically- “Don’t let it Dominate you”.


He was referring to the fear.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I am not afraid. I am prudent. Which is to say I’ve evaluated risks and the pros and cons and decided for both my personal sake and the protection of people whose path I might cross and booked a shot next week.

We are not individuals. We live in communities and sometimes that means we do things as much for the good of others as we do for ourselves.

At least we do over here.

yea but you're not doing anything for the community by getting that shot

it doesn't even stop you from getting covid....it just lowers your symptoms

it's a selfish shot - it's all about yourself

it's not a vaccine in the traditional thought and meaning of a vaccine

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

all you pro-vaxxers sit there and claim that anybody who questions anything about that shot, is an anti-vaxxer who spreads misinformation, when in fact, the pro-vaxxer side is spreading misinformation by claiming the shot is completely safe....

you push those shots harder than any dealer ive ever met - why? it's not stopping covid and you know it isn't but you're on this trip like it does....and im supposed to believe it all and just go along with whatever you say because you're a scientist and your friends are scientists and scientists are really great people

ok

 

[Jabberwocky]

yea but you're not doing anything for the community by getting that shot

it doesn't even stop you from getting covid....it just lowers your symptoms

it's a selfish shot - it's all about yourself

it's not a vaccine in the traditional thought and meaning of a vaccine

I believe the jury is still out on whether and to what degree vaccinates people can transmit Corona.

The last thing I read stated that being asymptomatic reduces infectiousness but to an unknown degree. If you are not spraying mucus all over the place that makes sense.

More significantly a person’s infectiousness correlates to their viral load. The amount of virus in the body, symptomatic or not. The evidence is that vaccination significantly reduces viral load, thus reducing infectiousness.

Unfortunately not enough studies have yet been done to know if there is a cut-off mark for a certain viral load being infectious or not. Large scale studies are being done though.

But also by not getting infected I help my fellow citizens by being one less contributor to the need for lock-downs and other impaxts of the pandemic.

EDIT: I’m not saying that the vaccine is perfectly safe. I’m saying it has an acceptable risk profile for me and any reasonable person who understands statistics. A five in a million chance of a life threatening side-effect. And those events are now being captured by the health system (here at least) reducing mortality to an even lower number.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I believe the jury is still out on whether and to what degree vaccinates people can transmit Corona.

The last thing I read stated that being asymptomatic reduces infectiousness but to an unknown degree. If you are not spraying mucus all over the place that makes sense.

More significantly a person’s infectiousness correlates to their viral load. The amount of virus in the body, symptomatic or not. The evidence is that vaccination significantly reduces viral load, thus reducing infectiousness.

Unfortunately not enough studies have yet been done to know if there is a cut-off mark for a certain viral load being infectious or not. Large scale studies are being done though.

But also by not getting infected I help my fellow citizens by being one less contributor to the need for lock-downs and other impaxts of the pandemic.

EDIT: I’m not saying that the vaccine is perfectly safe. I’m saying it has an acceptable risk profile for me and any reasonable person who understands statistics. A five in a million chance of a life threatening side-effect. And those events are now being captured by the health system (here at least) reducing mortality to an even lower number.

Right - so they don't really know, but they say they might know....

they also don't know why one person can infect 20 to 30 people and the next 5 or 10 won't spread it to anybody

they don't know a lot of things.....but i should just roll my sleeve up and get the experimental shot

ok

 

[jpgrdnr]

all you pro-vaxxers sit there and claim that anybody who questions anything about that shot, is an anti-vaxxer who spreads misinformation, when in fact, the pro-vaxxer side is spreading misinformation by claiming the shot is completely safe....

you push those shots harder than any dealer ive ever met - why? it's not stopping covid and you know it isn't but you're on this trip like it does....and im supposed to believe it all and just go along with whatever you say because you're a scientist and your friends are scientists and scientists are really great people

ok

Well bro, I'm just a nurse. So all I can tell you is the modes of transmission. There are tons of stuff other than coronavirus out there and they last a lot longer than just a few days. Whether you want to get a shot or not is completely up to you. Its your decision. But its going to come to a point in Health Care in some places where if you don't get the shot and you get sick they are going to tell you to go home and die. Here's a script, c'ya! I mean we are already at that point here in Canada.

Its not about Fear. Its about human error. HAL is goddamn right. We fucked up with this pandemic worse than anything else. My problem with the deep state is that their BS is useless. You can't eat money. At least if there was a deep state they would have been smart enough to act on a global pandemic and not have this lackluster response. The only conspiracy is that humanity is a bunch of clowns running around in a clown car pretending things are funny. The deep state couldn't organize a 1 man dash to a 2 hole shitter. There is no hidden government trying to force us to do anything. Shit, I know health care workers that didn't even get the shot, so who knows if they passed it on to grandma in the home. She died. Written up as COVID19 because no one gives a fuck. Oh well.

Its all about that Radiohead song, man.

"You do it to yourself, you do
And that's what really hurts"

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Well bro, I'm just a nurse. So all I can tell you is the modes of transmission. There are tons of stuff other than coronavirus out there and they last a lot longer than just a few days. Whether you want to get a shot or not is completely up to you. Its your decision. But its going to come to a point in Health Care in some places where if you don't get the shot and you get sick they are going to tell you to go home and die. Here's a script, c'ya! I mean we are already at that point here in Canada.

Its not about Fear. Its about human error. HAL is goddamn right. We fucked up with this pandemic worse than anything else. My problem with the deep state is that their BS is useless. You can't eat money. At least if there was a deep state they would have been smart enough to act on a global pandemic and not have this lackluster response. The only conspiracy is that humanity is a bunch of clowns running around in a clown car pretending things are funny. The deep state couldn't organize a 1 man dash to a 2 hole shitter. There is no hidden government trying to force us to do anything. Shit, I know health care workers that didn't even get the shot, so who knows if they passed it on to grandma in the home. She died. Written up as COVID19 because no one gives a fuck. Oh well.

Its all about that Radiohead song, man.

"You do it to yourself, you do
And that's what really hurts"

thats bullshit

no doctor tells you to go home and die - that's unethical - and to spread that misinformation on your part serves no purpose other than to create fear

but hey it's not about fear....yea ok nurse....


Canadian socialists are all about the one size fits all....meanwhile, you have citizens in Canada who'd rather spend money in the US for healthcare because they have more choices - a lot more

thats called capitalism ok?

 

[jpgrdnr]

thats bullshit

no doctor tells you to go home and die - that's unethical - and to spread that misinformation on your part serves no purpose other than to create fear

but hey it's not about fear....yea ok nurse....


Canadian socialists are all about the one size fits all....meanwhile, you have citizens in Canada who'd rather spend money in the US for healthcare because they have more choices - a lot more

thats called capitalism ok?

Please don't pretend you are naive enough in believing the rest of the world has the same level of pill popping Soma-esque utopia that the US does. Intensive Care Triage exists for a reason. Its not fear, its called reality.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Please don't pretend you are naive enough in believing the rest of the world has the same level of pill popping Soma-esque utopia that the US does. Intensive Care Triage exists for a reason. Its not fear, its called reality.

Yea yea

usa this usa that

you're all from somewhere else doggin on the US

thats what happens when you're #1 - they can't stop talking about you

we don't even care enough to mention what you guys are all doing in your country - have you noticed that?

 

[Jabberwocky]

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

 

[AutoTripper]

At least if there was a deep state they would have been smart enough to act on a global pandemic and not have this lackluster response

The unfortunately, for all our sakes, man and beast on earth, very real Deepstate for word choice, plotted and instigated the pandemic from the off.

You talk as if if Fairies happened to be around and were clued up enough they’d be able to take opportunities.

Well they are taking every single opportunity available to them. They turn nothing down those guys that doesn’t occur.

They did this. They’ve been working their hardest to steer this ship from it’s building. They’re real, and I ain’t crazy.

 

[AutoTripper]

We fucked up with this pandemic worse than anything else

We fucked up alright, collectively again. We swallowed the bait, believed the TV set...basically!

I never fucked up one bit. I saw this coming a long way off. Most people are programmed to ignore their guts and keep heads buried don’t even look up to see the ship about to hit, is one way I’ve heard it put.

I love the smell of Roses.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

The unfortunately, for all our sakes, man and beast on earth, very real Deepstate for word choice, plotted and instigated the pandemic from the off.

You talk as if if Fairies happened to be around and were clued up enough they’d be able to take opportunities.

Well they are taking every single opportunity available to them. They turn nothing down those guys that doesn’t occur.

They did this. They’ve been working their hardest to steer this ship from it’s building. They’re real, and I ain’t crazy.

Your entrenched certainty in your position continues to astonish me - especially coming from an LSD enthusiast

 

[Jabberwocky]

It’s NOT a vaccine. Fact.

It’s an experiment.

the ones being most widely used now have more data for them than pretty much any other pharmaceutical that's been released in the past decade and nothing gets approved without extensive trials. these ones were allowed through on emergency measures but that doesn't mean 'no safety or efficacy data'

it doesn't even stop you from getting covid....it just lowers your symptoms

evidence from israel and probably elsewhere by now suggest it lowers community transmission.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Please don't pretend you are naive enough in believing the rest of the world has the same level of pill popping Soma-esque utopia that the US does.

I can think of many words to describe the USA's healthcare system but "utopia" ain't one of them

 

[AutoTripper]

Your entrenched certainty in your position continues to astonish me - especially coming from an LSD enthusiast

I wish I wasn’t aware of what I (believe I) am, rather I wish it wasn’t real to become aware of or have need to think about.

As a teen, my mum told me how one hippy said he wished he’d never taken acid as he just saw everything from then on.

LSD heads can be dismissed so easily, viewed as delusional, which yes does happen.

But equally, maybe more so, and to a varying degree between us all, it really raises and sharpens awareness and cognition in various ways.

The belief system is a powerful thing. I would love to be fully mistaken on so many things. There’s no ego or agenda or even wishful thinking anywhere in my belief system.

Pure honest absolute truth is all that matters.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

evidence from israel and probably elsewhere by now suggest it lowers community transmission.

yea and coincidentally, this is right about the time that the pandemic was predicted to start to end

like when somebody dies 2 weeks after the shot, that's a coincidence too

but if somebody is already dying from cancer and tests positive for covid at the end, we'll count that as a covid death


go ahead - take your victory lap now because, once again, you and your science friends out-smarted mother nature, just like your science friends thought when they were being smart by playing with bat viruses at a lab in wuhan