Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[Zephyn]

I'm more worried about lies from manufacturers that the cia paid, or, unintended side effects due to thorough evaluation, or that the variants aren't even protected by the vaccine

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Reported Vaccine Injuries Continue to Climb, Pfizer Seeks Full Approval for COVID Vaccine​

VAERS data released today showed 157,277 reports of adverse events following COVID vaccines, including 3,837 deaths and 16,014 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and April 30, 2021.

The number of reports of injuries and deaths following COVID vaccines continues to rise, according to data released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The data comes directly from reports submitted to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).


VAERS is the primary government-funded system for reporting adverse vaccine reactions in the U.S. Reports submitted to VAERS require further investigation before a causal relationship can be confirmed.


Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received as of a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date. Today’s data show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and April 30, a total of 157,277 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 3,837 deaths — an increase of 293 over the previous week — and 16,014 serious injuries, up 2,467 since last week.

In the U.S., 240.2 million COVID vaccine doses had been administered as of April 30. This includes 105 million doses of Moderna’s vaccine, 127 million doses of Pfizer and 8 million doses of the Johnson &Johnson (J&J) COVID vaccine.


Of the 3,837 deaths reported as of April 30, 24% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, 16% occurred within 24 hours and 39% occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.


This week’s VAERS data show:

• 21% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders.
• 54% of those who died were male, 44% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased.
• The average age of death was 75.1 and the youngest deaths reported include two 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918 and 1242573 ) and a 16-year-old (VAERS I.D. 1225942). There were other reported deaths in children under 16 that could not be confirmed or contained obvious errors.
• As of April 30, 805 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 235 reports of miscarriage or premature birth.
• Of the 1,597 cases of Bell’s Palsy reported, 51% were reported after Pfizer-BioNTech vaccinations, 40% following vaccination with the Moderna vaccine and 131 cases, or 10%, of Bell’s Palsy cases were reported in conjunction with J&J.
• There were 162 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome with 41% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 45% to Moderna and 19% to J&J.
• There were 44,348 reports of anaphylaxis with 38% of cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 47% to Moderna and 14% to J&J.

 

[mal3volent]

Am I unreasonable? I trust scientists especially millions worldwide. But this is sketchy

Since you asked, yes I think you are. On this subject anyway.

The vaccine works and it is safer than many other activities you engage in on a daily basis. It's our duty to take it to protect eachother and get things back to normal.

Even though TLB personally wouldn't have chosen to get it, he chose the option that made those around him most comfortable. The option that would moves things along quicker.

 

[MsDiz]

Pfizer, both shots. Arm still hurts 2w later.

I didn't necessarily want it, but I knew those around me would force the situation eventually. Not the hill I would choose to die upon, so I got it.

Actually, my arm still hurts and it’s been well over a month. But only when I press on it, I have a strong feeling it’s due to how the nurse injected me though.

 

[AutoTripper]

Not me. I've considered it, and I might. Instead I avoid non vaccinated vulnerable family members. The way this has become a part of the culture war here in the USA, associated with political parties, rushed thru, just doesn't sit right.

Ironically, and so so unanticipated except no doubt by the “designers” (of “both” if you get me, like, dead bats don’t make (not actual)vaccines lol.....


You say about avoiding non vaccinated people. It’s been put to me increasingly from multiple personal experiences for a start, which mirrors my own identically, that one single case of COVID seems to provide lasting immunity for most.

It may be possible for certain bodies to acquire lasting immunity and some not, for all we know.

But for those non vaccinated, they either have had it which is pretty damn likely for anybody whose immune system is not automatically strong enough to overpower a simple cold from developing, in which case they are no vectoring threat.

They likely don’t even know they had it in most cases. That alone is very poignant in this whole topic and debate.

Or they have lived without vaccine in soaring rates of every new variant, defenceless except for lockdown, amidst the Plague, but haven’t had a snivel of it.

Or a mild one they barely or never noticed.


But anyway @Zephyn my simple point, sure to be rebutted here, is the unanticipated as I say by the large public, revelation that the not actual vaccine, officially, for the record, the dna alterer and gene manipulator essentially, has turned the vaccinated into effective Protein spike factories.

Which they are shedding. It’s affecting everyone around them, causing flu like symptoms in humans and animals, after being close to vaccinated Protein Spike shedders.

These people, sabotaging their own health, in the belief they are protecting their vulnerable loved ones- it’s the frigging opposite!

My mum and I are actually now vehemently avoiding VACCINATED people (or mRNA altered blah blah, seeing as, again, it is officially NOT a vaccine, by merit or definition).

We are discussing a visiting ban on those jabbed. We are not alone in this either.

Meanwhile, there’s no denying there continue to be a great number of worldwide, officially recorded, severe adverse events, many deaths, particularly young men in 30’s no history of heart complication, within a week of COVID “shots” (that’s the right term, I’ll use that from now on), sudden death from heart failure.

Some cases have been declared as very likely related, but typically the predominant spiel is a coincidence.


I worry for people. I worry for you all, I care about you all. But now I learn how they have tricked you into becoming toxic to us who choose not to take risky, untested shots. Fully unwittingly too, to the exact opposite end.


I’m honestly not trying to offend anyone, and I do genuinely care for you all which is kind of strange in today’s largely uncaring world.

 

[MsDiz]

Ironically, and so so unanticipated except no doubt by the “designers” (of “both” if you get me, like, dead bats don’t make (not actual)vaccines lol.....


You say about avoiding non vaccinated people. It’s been put to me increasingly from multiple personal experiences for a start, which mirrors my own identically, that one single case of COVID seems to provide lasting immunity for most.

It may be possible for certain bodies to acquire lasting immunity and some not, for all we know.

But for those non vaccinated, they either have had it which is pretty damn likely for anybody whose immune system is not automatically strong enough to overpower a simple cold from developing, in which case they are no vectoring threat.

They likely don’t even know they had it in most cases. That alone is very poignant in this whole topic and debate.

Or they have lived without vaccine in soaring rates of every new variant, defenceless except for lockdown, amidst the Plague, but haven’t had a snivel of it.

Or a mild one they barely or never noticed.


But anyway @Zephyn my simple point, sure to be rebutted here, is the unanticipated as I say by the large public, revelation that the not actual vaccine, officially, for the record, the dna alterer and gene manipulator essentially, has turned the vaccinated into effective Protein spike factories.

Which they are shedding. It’s affecting everyone around them, causing flu like symptoms in humans and animals, after being close to vaccinated Protein Spike shedders.

These people, sabotaging their own health, in the belief they are protecting their vulnerable loved ones- it’s the frigging opposite!

My mum and I are actually now vehemently avoiding VACCINATED people (or mRNA altered blah blah, seeing as, again, it is officially NOT a vaccine, by merit or definition).

We are discussing a visiting ban on those jabbed. We are not alone in this either.

Meanwhile, there’s no denying there continue to be a great number of worldwide, officially recorded, severe adverse events, many deaths, particularly young men in 30’s no history of heart complication, within a week of COVID “shots” (that’s the right term, I’ll use that from now on), sudden death from heart failure.

Some cases have been declared as very likely related, but typically the predominant spiel is a coincidence.


I worry for people. I worry for you all, I care about you all. But now I learn how they have tricked you into becoming toxic to us who choose not to take risky, untested shots. Fully unwittingly too, to the exact opposite end.


I’m honestly not trying to offend anyone, and I do genuinely care for you all which is kind of strange in today’s largely uncaring world.

You realise there is no shedding? In order for there to be shedding a vaccine needs to use a weakened virus as the basis. That isn’t the science behind any of the vaccines. They do not shed.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Actually, my arm still hurts and it’s been well over a month. But only when I press on it, I have a strong feeling it’s due to how the nurse injected me though.

First shot was 8:30am, and by 3:30 I was falling asleep. Slept most of the next day. Otherwise nothing of note.


It def felt diff with the second shot. Felt like a LOT more of a load going in, more sore for the initial days.

As for the lingering pain, I can't tell how much is the shot and how much is me being an old man. In recent months I've had tremendous difficulty sleeping because I have forgotten wtf I do with my arms - typically (I thought) I'd have one under my head. Now, if I try that, it hurts (either arm) within a half hour so I'm thinking it is more of a (old man) TLB issue than the shot. Other than that, no adverse effects, though I've got this lump in my armpit. I had surgery there, and there was a scar, but is now triple the size and very tender touch, and it's not the arm I got the shots in so idunno.....

 

[AutoTripper]

Not trying to be judgy here or anything. I understand your concerns. I just want you to consider something please. I am, to all appearances, a reasonably fit and active looking early forties male. What people don't know by looking at me is that I take ten difference medications a day right now to keep my lungs from filling with fluid and drowning me. My immune system is compromised and I am in the extremely high risk category for covid. You wouldn't know that to look at me though. I just want you to think of that when you're in these situations... again, no judgement, make the call you think is right, I'm just trying to give you a little perspective from a different point of view.

I have similar problems, from severe Lyme Disease, no immune system, allergies extreme, all round immune dysfunction and overreaction.

My life revolves around managing the respiratory symptoms, evacuating the permanently produced mucus from all parts of my sinuses, throat and lungs, and treating recurring respiratory infections.

I use extremely effective, powerful fast acting measures to do this. I was never, from the start, personally afraid of COVID, call it instinct.

I had COVID last year. Honestly, it’s no higher than number 8 top worst respiratory infections alone I’ve had since last year, and the worse infections messed up my guts badly too, COVID did not at all.

Soon, it’ll be pushed out of even the top 10. COVID responded very quickly to the right sort of treatment (NOT a hospital ventilator, which is what causes the lung damage), I was over it in a week max.

When have you heard the news mention Coxsackie viruses? Way way worse in my own massively immune compromised experience.

Except true 6 week flu through January, infinitely worse than my COVID was, Coxsackie viruses hold the top 5 positions no contest, a new one especially- Coxsackie A21. Nasty thing. Neurological infections. But also everywhere else, via the transport Nervous System, lungs, throat, stomach and bowel, any organ.

COVID is neither neurological, nor lymphatic based like 6 week influenza.

It’s purely localised, and it does respond very well to the right treatment, applied at the onset or any time providing no damage has occurred and you are able to treat it.

You realise there is no shedding? In order for there to be shedding a vaccine needs to use a weakened virus as the basis. That isn’t the science behind any of the vaccines. They do not shed.

I’m not suggesting a virus, virus particle or anything infectious is being shed, because yes as you say, there is no actual component of the particular virus in the shot.

The suggestion by many all of a sudden, is that the Protein Spike which I admit I know nothing about, is being manufactured by the jabbed, and that which they are factorying they shed, it causes symptoms of illness and malaise in others.

This is just the new word on the street. I’m just report g it really, surely it will be more widely heard soon, I’m not alone n this by a long way.

but is now triple the size and very tender touch, and it's not the arm I got the shots in so idunno...

Lots reports of this around- unusual bleeding. Scars, wounds opening up, bodily skin things growing, flaring up.

Regarding how many people actually truly died directly because of COVID as reported by media, wrt equations and risk calculations etc....

You gotta hear this....likely again. Matt Hancock not so smarmy here.

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Am I unreasonable? I trust scientists especially millions worldwide. But this is sketchy

You are almost being totally sane and right minded. But you just need a lot more conviction in your gut feeling.

 

[MsDiz]

though I've got this lump in my armpit. I had surgery there, and there was a scar, but is now triple the size and very tender touch, and it's not the arm I got the shots in so idunno.....

Yeah, this is something I’d definitely have seen to. Could be an inflamed cyst but it’s definitely something you should have professional investigated. Please.

 

[MsDiz]

I’m not suggesting a virus, virus particle or anything infectious is being shed, because yes as you say, there is no actual component of the particular virus in the shot.

The suggestion by many all of a sudden, is that the Protein Spike which I admit I know nothing about, is being manufactured by the jabbed, and that which they are factorying they shed, it causes symptoms of illness and malaise in others.

This is just the new word on the street. I’m just report g it really, surely it will be more widely heard soon, I’m not alone n this by a long way.

There is no shed. There’s nothing that can shed.

You will get nothing from a vaccinated person. Nada, zip, 没有什么.

 

[novaveritas]

so please help those of us who can't do maths- your personal chance of severe complications is 1 out of 10 million chance of serious complications (and i consider exhibiting symptoms for more than 12 weeks to be included in this) is a massive underestimate. how well do you think your figure generalises to the rest of the population?

simple calculation- probability of being infected with SARS-COV2*probability of symptoms severe enough to get tested*probability of long covid
numbers, all but the last (based on prevalence of long covid according to ONS, so not even including chance of death/weeks on a ventilator etc) pulled out my arse: (1/1000)*(1/10)*(1/10) = 1 out of 100k

using that, expected number of severe complications for UK population would be 670. we know that more people have died than that, and more people have got long covid than that. so my probabilities are vast underestimates (this is actually by design to make my point)- so the chance of major complications is significantly larger than 1/100k, not smaller than 1/10 million.

this is a back of the envelope with no accounting for individual differences or precautions taken, and i make no claims to know anything about epidemiology, but at least i've showed my working.

also, really odd to post a reference that claims the complete opposite of what's stated in a post. whether or not the PCR test results are due to old viral RNA, it is well known that viral genomes make up to 10% of our DNA so not beyond the realm of possibility that SARS-COV2 does the same. though probably more complicated for an RNA virus, even seeing it in cell culture confirms it is possible.

I am not commenting on your risk, to be blunt I don't care about your personal risk profile, it is not my concern and neither is it the concern of my doctor who agrees with my current position, if she didn't whe would no longer be my doctor.

current prevalence of people who are infected and infectious with coronavirus in your country is less than one in 30k people, what is the chance of you colliding with one of those people whilst they are infections and getting infected?, we know if one person you live with is infected and infectious then at most the the attack rate is 10%-20% and that is for circumstances as favourable as possible. This is a random sampling problem with limited samples, ask WS Gosset for some guidance (Student).

imagine a bag of apples, 29 999 apples with one orange in there, with eyes closed reach in and draw one object out...what is the chance that it is an apple? do this for the number of people you come into regular close contact with perhaps 20 or 30, what is the chance after 20 picks you picked the orange? Then having picked the orange (infected infectious person) you now have found the positive person, you now have at most a one in 5 chance of becoming an orange (infected) yourself and If I became an orange I personally have a <1 in 5k chance of becoming freshly squeezed orange juice.

Of course the number of oranges vs apples in the bag goes up and down.

 

[novaveritas]

Christ on a bike...

Don’t start with animal studies and this shit... seriously... come on.

Honestly, I am laughing so hard I can’t even reply properly.

The simple fact that the in vivo toxicology of spike was not investigated long before these things got anywhere near humans is the real christ on a bike thing.

 

[novaveritas]

There is no shed. There’s nothing that can shed.

You will get nothing from a vaccinated person. Nada, zip, 没有什么.

Apart from possibly replication competent adenovirus.

 

[AutoTripper]

go for the low ad hom.
The simple fact that the in vivo toxicology of spike was not investigated long before these things got anywhere near humans is the real christ on a bike thing.
You are bought and paid for and you don't surprise me in any way.

And we are all still owned. Fact. Just somewhat obscured by the plain illusion of freedom presented upon us lifelong.

 

[AutoTripper]

Apart from possibly replication competent adenovirus and of course the foul stench of their smug preachy superiority.

I had adenenovirus confirmed one time, 2017, was a real nasty one, like flu for a week, then months knock on complications, guts etc, plus I wasn’t treating my sinuses directly at that time.

But that encounter with adenovirus again way at worse than my typical quick COVID brush.

 

[MsDiz]

Apart from possibly replication competent adenovirus

You have zero idea what you’re talking about and if anyone listens to your ridiculous speel then I’d worry for their health.

 

[Jabberwocky]

(1/30000)*(1/10)*(1/10)
current prevalance in uk quoted in this thread*probability of infection when meeting someone infected quoted in this thread*ONS figure for people that contract long covid >> 1 in 10 million quoted in this thread. something doesn't add up and its not my multiplication skills.

this is without time integration, which is pretty important in situations that change.

 

[Zephyn]

Since you asked, yes I think you are. On this subject anyway.

The vaccine works and it is safer than many other activities you engage in on a daily basis. It's our duty to take it to protect eachother and get things back to normal.

Even though TLB personally wouldn't have chosen to get it, he chose the option that made those around him most comfortable. The option that would moves things along quicker.

Conspiracy theory aside, does it work against mutations? WhT about the mutations a year from now?

 

[novaveritas]

(1/30000)*(1/10)*(1/10)
current prevalance in uk quoted in this thread*probability of infection when meeting someone infected quoted in this thread*ONS figure for people that contract long covid >> 1 in 10 million quoted in this thread. something doesn't add up and its not my multiplication skills.

this is without time integration, which is pretty important in situations that change.

adding is different to multiplication. though if you add enough times it is the same as multiplying.

 

[novaveritas]

You have zero idea what you’re talking about and if anyone listens to your ridiculous speel then I’d worry for their health.

go do some research. look up E1 E3 delete replication competence in adenovirus vectors cultured on HEK293.