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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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Dropperneck said:
Cope. It only upsets you because it shows flaws in your thinking about masks. If it’s about saving lives, why not do something that actually makes a dent? Helmets in cars would save insane amounts of hospital care dollars and lives.
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right - and so would lowering the speed limits everywhere but we're not doing that, are we
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
right - and so would lowering the speed limits everywhere but we're not doing that, are we
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Why not if it’s about saving lives? They can’t even prove masks effectively do anything much less save lives. Helmets in cars would have an insane effect of saving thousands potentially. Lower Speed limits, even better.
 
Dropperneck said:
Why not if it’s about saving lives? They can’t even prove masks effectively do anything much less save lives. Helmets in cars would have an insane effect of saving thousands potentially. Lower Speed limits, even better.
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in the case of helmets its not comparable, helmets are for the wearer. i'm happy for people to wear them if they choose. i just can't be arsed to care about consenting adults decisions when they only affect them. this is not the case for masks. the data are clear that masks prevent you from spreading your own disease to others. they are not worn for the wearer's benefit. as far as anything can be proven in science, masks are proven.

reducing speed limits would massively increase air pollution in areas along roads. this would actually in almost all cases increase the number of deaths due to associated respiratory issues to the extent that it wipes out any benefit from lives saves in RTAs.
 
chinup said:
in the case of helmets its not comparable, helmets are for the wearer. i'm happy for people to wear them if they choose. i just can't be arsed to care about consenting adults decisions when they only affect them. this is not the case for masks. the data are clear that masks prevent you from spreading your own disease to others. they are not worn for the wearer's benefit. as far as anything can be proven in science, masks are proven.

reducing speed limits would massively increase air pollution in areas along roads. this would actually in almost all cases increase the number of deaths due to associated respiratory issues to the extent that it wipes out any benefit from lives saves in RTAs.
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Lol I don’t think you understand how an engine works. Lowering speeds would save potentially hundreds of thousands of lives by preventing accidents. We have concrete data with this unlike with clothe masks.
 
I have taught undergraduate thermodynamics, and engine cycles are a first year topic. I have a PhD in theoretical physics. Willing to bet I understand better than you.

And I understand how to interpret data as I analyse complex datasets for a living. Millions die from air pollution each year, which your scheme would exacerbate, compared to just over a million from rtas. Do you even fact check yourself before posting?
 
My republican acquaintances on the track say that wearing a helmet makes them look "not the coolest" but they do anyway because they know it works.

They don't have to wait for the liberals to tell them to do it. They have a mind of their own.
 
cduggles said:
I guess those clinical trials aren’t sufficient? And when people are overdosing in the general public due to misinformation, the treatment can’t be characterized as completely harmless.
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Clinical trials... clinical trails... chemical trials... chem trails!!! I honestly think you've cracked it!!!

On a serious note, how can anybody trust the validity of trials, given the censorship we are seeing? Can we trust people would want to do them, knowing the outcome? Is that not a valid concern?

Also the reason people OD is the exact same reason people OD on any drug; the organisations managing the pandemic do not tell you the safe dose if it does exist; they tell you not to do the drug because its bad.

Their policy should be this:

Reducing Harm by Educating the Individual​

We are an international harm-reduction community and collection of medical science, pandemic response teams and the public, committed to reducing the harms associated with drug use. This also applies to experimental vaccines, as we can never know their, by nature, unpredictable outcome.

We neither condemn nor condone the use of drugs, or such vaccines. With respect to ivermectin we accept that drug use will always exist irrespective of legal status or societal norms. While there is no truly safe way to use drugs (or vaccines), we understand that prohibition and abstinence are not realistic or desirable solutions for everyone, nor have they been adequate in addressing the serious public health concerns associated with drug use. As such, please see our ivermectin, safety, studies and dosing discussion web pages and forums.

While there is no universal definition of drug-related, or vaccine-related harm reduction, we believe that through frank and open discussion we are able to deliver accurate information, eliminate misinformation and empower individuals to make wiser, more responsible choices.

We understand that both experimental drug and vaccine use encompass a broad range of behaviours, effects, and side effects, some safer than others, and that both drug and vaccine use can progress towards increased risk with some individuals. We encourage our community and organisations to be honest and cognizant of their drug and vaccine use/implementation, and understand the warning signs of abuse and side-effects before they manifest.

We also host a robust recovery community for those seeking a way out of any arising issues. These forums and programs invite visitors to discuss use and side-effects in a non-judgemental setting, share recovery resources and encourage members to seek help. We believe there are various roads to recovery, which we will learn as we discuss and engage further with each other.


Our overarching philosophy is simple​

Meet people where they are and encourage open dialogue that empowers the individual to be the primary agent of their own physical, mental and emotional wellbeing.
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That is the BLUA with the bits underlined changing it from drug use/abuse/addiction to more current situation/vaccine specific narrative.

It worked for us and this website trickled out throughout society; all out of the government not caring enough to implement it themselves, and instead resorting to manipulation, social control and outcasting/persecution of drug users. Source: the link/image i posted.

This is how you implement a philosophy and policy regarding the pandemic; honesty, respect and body autonomy.

We got the polar opposite.
 
Here’s a great article about the actual science regarding ivermectin and the people shilling it:

sciencebasedmedicine.org

Ivermectin is the new hydroxychloroquine, take 2

A few months ago, Scott Gavura wrote about how the veterinary deworming drug ivermectin has become the new hydroxychloroquine in that it is being promoted as a highly effective treatment against COVID
sciencebasedmedicine.org
 
Nice to see that 96 of 163 people who voted are fully vaccinated.

@cduggles The whole Ivermectin thing blows my mind. Truly. I read a story (in a reputable publication) where it was given to prisoners. The prisoners were told that they were vitamins. Is that someone trying to do a good for the prison population based on misinformation? Or just straight up malicious?
 
Tranced said:
Clinical trials... clinical trails... chemical trials... chem trails!!! I honestly think you've cracked it!!!
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Lol. Very witty and imaginative, albeit sarcastic and arguably facetious.

Except, you left out the real sinker, I was waiting for it building expectation in my mind, excitement, but it never came.

Chemtrials! I honestly thought that was where we were heading! For real.

So, give me a little while life is chaotic here out my own room for 5 weeks decor, new beds etc, hating my street side ground floor pavement and hundred kids bikes scooters scateboards screaming parents ev type automobile + more literally feet from my bed on floor for now.

My nerves just cannot deal with my mum, with my own room long being my sanctuary to access peace. Add in every type of abrupt noise, big manhole cover too 10 feet from my sleeping head, rumbling the floors every bike and scooter. Breaks! Just NOW. Creaking, squeaking breaks.

Forgot about them.

This week, new bed's coming, nearly there but my nerves are properly cracked atm truly, so you were right about me having cracked something. 😉

Need some headrest and therapy ideally, start with just having my own space back and a comfortable bloody bed at last too.

Then....I may be able to access a camera, get some close ups of these things nobody here or any doctor will have the slightest account for, except maybe I sleep walk and eat the knitting at night (except I don't knit lol).

Because it's stalemate otherwise. I've discussed this in a sensible "way".

But I accept to you it is pure nonsense. So you are only able to offer pure nonsense in return, a different way or regarding and defining nonsense though.

I just try to keep any discussion constructive in at least some way.
I appreciate evidence is needed for that.

I'll get it if time and health permits. Because conspiracy blah blah aside, I am reporting valid observations, nobody really gets what I'm talking about.

And I REALLY want to know, what are these tiny tiny fibers?

Where are they coming from? And how are such massive numbers of them making it into my body?

That is without even mentioning the lifelike independent movement seen in two so far.

Because it isn't normal. From what we know, are aware of, hear about, are informed of.

So I want answers.
 
alasdairm said:
lol. i guess the irony of this is totally lost on you?

i'm not the one whining on a message board about wearing a mask...

maybe you should take your own advice and, you know, cope.

alasdair
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No need to sneed. I’ve also said I’m ok with others’ wearing them, and simply don’t go to places that require them. Y’all are getting upset bc you agree with the authoritarians in the establishment trying to push the cosmetic theatre on everyone.
 
VerbalTruist said:
The whole Ivermectin thing blows my mind. Truly. I read a story (in a reputable publication) where it was given to prisoners. The prisoners were told that they were vitamins. Is that someone trying to do a good for the prison population based on misinformation? Or just straight up malicious?
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I saw an article about this but I haven’t had time to read it. If it’s any good I’ll post it. 🙂
 
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