Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[AutoTripper]

I didn't say that. I'm just saying: you keep bringing it up outside of the context of people that might need it and then you said people aren't intelligent or open minded enough to listen to you. There is nobody in this thread looking for a treatment for pneumonia.

The apocalyptic radiation thing was also a joke.

Thanks for clarifying. I'm not saying there are, here. But my point is infinitely wider.

This stuff works, Electromedicine, to save life, quickly diminish in my regular case specifically respiratory infections I orherwise literally could not live with.

We are talking about a virus killing people. On ventilators in hospitals, sentenced to die.

Terrified at home at first sniffles.

They ARE catching Pneumonia. I would say they aren't in this thread, but I am. And I know of a very very effective, reliable, safe, virtually failproof way to prevent any adverse event or need for hospital.

The hospitals should be using optimised, enhanced, perfected Electromedicine devices and treatments. Nobody needs to die of airway infections, or a miniscule, as it's unseen therefore unpredictable.

There is massive room for optimising the treatment method and revolutionising the devices.

Except....it is outlawed! The "Doctor" will insist adamantly, it does not work.

When it does, should not be suppressed, should be provided.

It's actually only one angle and point, and example here, but to me it's a much bigger point than one guy curing otherwise very very severe recurring respiratory infections quickly every time including Covid (Nerve based is a different thing, I'm referring here to localised treatments which would kill any pneumonia in hours).

It's about society, health"care", education, opportunity, justice, oppression, and more.

I appreciate your humour and banter too.

 

[alasdairm]

@AutoTripper do you accept the possibility that trails in the sky are just vapor, caused by engine exhaust - simply a by-product of jet engines - and not a secret government delivery mechanism for chemicals/agents designed to harm us?

alasdair

 

[OpiateKiller]

@AutoTripper do you accept the possibility that trails in the sky are just vapor, caused by engine exhaust - simply a by-product of jet engines - and not a secret government delivery mechanism for chemicals/agents designed to harm us?

alasdair

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There's a gigantic difference.

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Personally I go deeper than this is just about lockdowns and gov't control, I think the vaccine is straight up designed to kill off the majority of the world.

I've seen many people close to me who have recieved Pfizer / Moderna / J&j - mind you some of the most corrupt and evil corporations in the history of mankind, who have faced billions of dollars in wrongful death and medical malpractice / false drug advertising / false scientific claims ...

I've seen there health begin to deteriorate. They look pale, there eyes sunken, constantly coughing, not like they used to be.

Vaccines are poison, and this is the elite's way of getting richer and killing off the sheep.

People signing up for a third vaccine cause the first two didn't work? Do you even realize how absolutely fucking moronic that is.

Guess what! Here's a thought - By refusing the vaccine I am 100% safe from vaccine side effects, and 99.7% likely to survive COVID, which I already did last year when I had it. What a novel fucking concept. Natural immunity.

 

[OpiateKiller]

Regardless of your position on mandates, this is completely false.

An Israeli study on vaccination and Delta variant infection rates in adolescents found a 90% reduction of infection and 93% reduction of symptomatic infection 1-3 weeks after the 2nd dose.

Here is another study on the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing symptomatic Covid infection. These are the results of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine:


In early 2021, a UK study found that transmission between household members was reduced by 40-50% with ONE DOSE OF VACCINE.

Another study found the household contact transmission rate with the delta variant to be 38% transmission to unvaccinated household members vs. 25% to vaccinated household members. This study did find that those who were vaccinated and infected with Delta-variant Covid did infect others at approximately the same rate as those unvaccinated and infected.

However, this still does not mean that the vaccine does not decrease transmission. As we've already seen, vaccinated people are significantly less likely to catch Covid and people who do not have Covid cannot transmit it, therefore vaccinated people are still overall much less likely to transmit Covid to family members.

A big point you are also missing is how drastically symptom severity is reduced in vaccinated people. The risks of hospitalizations and death both plummet with vaccination.

The question here is not whether or not vaccines work. A quick search on Google Scholar will find a mountain of evidence proving their efficacy. The only debate is if mandating vaccines that we know work is ethical and to what degree said mandates should exist.

EDIT: Evidence for risk of hospitalizations and death decreasing below.
According to the British Columbia CDC:



In Ontario, the full vaccination rate in people 12+ is 87%, with 3% being partially vaccinated and only 10% of people being unvaccinated. Despite that, fully vaccinated people only accounted for 3.3% of deaths from December 14 2020 to November 14 2021. Even the fully vaccinated people who catch Covid are still drastically less likely to die from it.

According to the data, vaccination is literally saving lives.

You do realize that Data is often skewed, misinterpreted, misrepresented, and inaccurate correct? As someone who has a associates in statistics, I never trust a study regardless of the source. You need to question everything in this world.

Oh they say it's 40% effective, so let's "trust the science" LOL.

Just ask yourself these questions: How the hell would they even know that? Do you think they told people "HEY COME GET OUR VACCINE, THEN WERE GONNA EXPOSE AND INJECT CORONAVIRUS INTO YOU TO SEE IF YOU DIE OR NOT"

Man some people just will never fucking get it. And it drives me fucking insane.

OF COURSE THE CLINICAL TRIALS COMPLETED BY THE VERY COMPANY THAT MADE THE VACCINE ARE GOING TO SAY ITS EFFECTIVE. THEY LOSE MONEY IF IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE.

Capitalism has destroyed morals and ethics and people could give a shit less if you live, die or suffer for eternity as long as dollars are in there pocket.

Go watch "DopeSick" on Hulu, it literally shows how corrupt the FDA is. The entire organization is filled with pharmaceutical plants who just approve whatever there told to, because guess what.

THE VACCINE INDUSTRY IS A TRILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY.

yes TRILLION. not BILLION. Trillions of dollars.

Wake up and smell the roses.

 

[mal3volent]

Guess what! Here's a thought - By refusing the vaccine I am 100% safe from vaccine side effects, and 99.7% likely to survive COVID, which I already did last year when I had it. What a novel fucking concept. Natural immunity.

What about the old people, sick people, obese people, cancer patients, those with weakened immune systems? Fuck em eh?

 

[AutoTripper]

What about the old people, sick people, obese people, cancer patients, those with weakened immune systems? Fuck em eh?

That's Bill's plan in one. And how smart. It's already become this long winded PR thing with stigma and will only snowball from here with "us" being blamed.

What an operation hey?

 

[alasdairm]

There's a gigantic difference.

that's a matter of opinion.

but that's also not the question i asked. i'm asking @AutoTripper if he accepts the possibility that the whole chemtrail theory is nonsense?

alasdair

 

[Shady's Fox]

So is the new omicron variant needing a new whole vaccine or it applies to the one's already on market?

 

[arrall]

As someone who has a associates in statistics, I never trust a study regardless of the source. You need to question everything in this world.

Yes, we should question everything and look at the information for ourselves. However, refusing to believe anything even after careful examination is ... quite concerning.

OF COURSE THE CLINICAL TRIALS COMPLETED BY THE VERY COMPANY THAT MADE THE VACCINE ARE GOING TO SAY ITS EFFECTIVE. THEY LOSE MONEY IF IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE.

None of the studies I linked had any association with vaccine companies.
I completely agree that the FDA is an incredibly corrupt organization, but the studies I linked were mostly based on data from Canada, the UK, and Israel. Not the US.
The effectiveness is based on how much unvaccinated vs vaccinated people catch Covid. If anything, the mandates would actually be skewing the data against the vaccine as they are causing vaccinated people to have significantly more contact with other people and thus be more likely to be exposed to Covid.

Capitalism has destroyed morals and ethics and people could give a shit less if you live, die or suffer for eternity as long as dollars are in there pocket.

I completely agree with this, but I still do not see what this has to do with the validity of vaccine data from publicly funded testing facilities and hospitals. Your argument at least makes more sense than the chemtrails rant, so I'll give you that.

 

[Electrum1]

As someone who has a associates in statistics, I never trust a study regardless of the source.

Winston Churchill: "The only statistics you can trust are the ones you have falsified yourself".

 

[mal3volent]

So is the new omicron variant needing a new whole vaccine or it applies to the one's already on market?

they'd been saying it might need a updated vaccine. But I think they're beginning to find out that omicron, while highly transmissible, isn't that potent or lethal.

 

[Fire&Water]

Like the other ones, except for people that eat garbage all day & over the age of 80

 

[OpiateKiller]

What about the old people, sick people, obese people, cancer patients, those with weakened immune systems? Fuck em eh?

Go to church if your scared. It’s scientifically proven you can still transmit covid after vaccination.

We all die eventually. It’s the way the world works.

 

[OpiateKiller]

That's Bill's plan in one. And how smart. It's already become this long winded PR thing with stigma and will only snowball from here with "us" being blamed.

What an operation hey?

Exactly. Blame the free thinkers and stigmatize us as bad people for refusing medical tyranny.

 

[mal3volent]

We all die eventually. It’s the way the world works.

maybe we should just do away with modern medicine altogether?

 

[OpiateKiller]

maybe we should just do away with modern medicine altogether?

Wed be better off without it honestly. Keep penicillin and throw away the rest.

Gods earth was never a mistake. Man kind was the mistake.

Hell the animals were doing just fine before we showed up and killed most of them all off.

 

[Shady's Fox]

he's right though, penicilin is the best healer to ever be crafted by humans, it stems from germs ( bacteria ) like all others antibiotics

 

[Shady's Fox]

on other hand depends on what you mean when you say >> modern medicine, if you think plague doctors were good thing then go back to victorian era but only you, if you think lobotomia oppose to chemotherapy is better than go back to 1940's, as simple as that. Modern medicine is modern for a reason, isn't that is safer but also not better but more filtered.

Even back then lemme tell you that we were humans inside because plague doctors alongside flowers carried cloves at the bottom of their masks.. and it was the best medicine along penicilin

 

[Shady's Fox]

i dunno so far i only have the pfizer vaccine done and i can keep my activities without being interrupted by external forces and if it does come, it will most likely go into a booster shot which might not be mandatory as the prime pretzel 19 vaccine

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

This just dawned upon me today, people who don't want the Spike & T- cell in our body if I was in a car crash etc the blood I'd need has a high chance of being from someone who's had 3 doses.

I wonder where I stand legally with this issue, I don't want "vaccine" blood & prefer to die tbh.