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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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Electrum1 said:
Will you post any peer reviewed studies that disprove of potential long term heart damage caused by the new vaccine technology you want everyone to inject?
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No, because thats not how science works. You dont just prove a negative like that. You would be hard pressed to find any study that even uses the word prove, as it implies absolutes which you rarely find in the real world. Everything is full of nuance, its rarely black or white.

I can however find you studies that say vaccines are the safest course of action for individuals (as oppossed to getting covid.) Would you be interested in seeing something like that? Or are you just looking for gotchas?
 
Pickledlemons said:
No, because thats not how science works. You dont just prove a negative like that. You would be hard pressed to find any study that even uses the word prove, as it implies absolutes which you rarely find in the real world. Everything is full of nuance, its rarely black or white.

I can however find you studies that say vaccines are the safest course of action for individuals (as oppossed to getting covid.) Would you be interested in seeing something like that? Or are you just looking for gotchas?
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Sure, post the studies, I'll read them. Are you admitting that there is no long term data about potential heart damage, but you recommend people take the shots?
 
Electrum1 said:
Sure, post the studies, I'll read them. Are you admitting that there is no long term data about potential heart damage, but you recommend people take the shots?
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I'm saying vaccines are the safest course of actions for individuals in this pandemic. If you want studies that say that I will happily post some after I get home and can sit down.
 
Pickledlemons said:
They dont stop the spread, but they decrease it by a large margin and also decrease the severity of the symptoms.
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This just sounds like an excuse for narrow vaccines bioengineered for older variants failing to work on newer variants.
 
Pickledlemons said:
I'm saying vaccines are the safest course of actions for individuals in this pandemic. If you want studies that say that I will happily post some after I get home and can sit down.
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Stop touting science when you're just stating an opinion.

Fact is, the vaccines are one option among many, and the government is lying about the lack of availability of other options. The truth is already starting to come out. Unions all over Canada and the U.S. are refusing to mandate because the vaccinated spread the virus just as badly as anyone else, and it's the vaccinated contributing to mutation, not the vaccinated. School boards are also refusing. That's what happens when you use a non-sterilizing vaccine on everyone during a pandemic, instead of the most vulnerable.

Stop pushing propaganda. The government has been caught lying so many times, along with the regulatory bodies. The people behind this have put significant investment into pushing this agenda, but the narrative is starting to fall apart. There is an incredible wealth of scientific evidence combined with medical expertise in the USA calling for this to stop now. They can keep deplatforming people who tell the truth, but it won't work forever.

Go get vaccinated if you want. You're rolling the dice. Getting covid itself is rolling the dice too. I personally would rather get covid than take this experimental shot that has maimed or killed literally millions and millions of people. They can't conceal something of this magnitude forever.

Now they are pushing omicron and boosters, even though the discoverer of it has been in the media saying that it has only been shown to cause mild symptoms. The lying never ends. I'm in Canada and it's getting to be almost as bad as Australia here. This has to stop.

When the truth comes out, I will be back to this thread to call you out, and others. You will eat your words, I swear it.
 
Foreigner said:
Stop touting science when you're just stating an opinion.

Fact is, the vaccines are one option among many, and the government is lying about the lack of availability of other options. The truth is already starting to come out. Unions all over Canada and the U.S. are refusing to mandate because the vaccinated spread the virus just as badly as anyone else, and it's the vaccinated contributing to mutation, not the vaccinated. School boards are also refusing. That's what happens when you use a non-sterilizing vaccine on everyone during a pandemic, instead of the most vulnerable.

Stop pushing propaganda. The government has been caught lying so many times, along with the regulatory bodies. The people behind this have put significant investment into pushing this agenda, but the narrative is starting to fall apart. There is an incredible wealth of scientific evidence combined with medical expertise in the USA calling for this to stop now. They can keep deplatforming people who tell the truth, but it won't work forever.

Go get vaccinated if you want. You're rolling the dice. Getting covid itself is rolling the dice too. I personally would rather get covid than take this experimental shot that has maimed or killed literally millions and millions of people. They can't conceal something of this magnitude forever.

When the truth comes out, I will be back to this thread to call you out, and others. You will eat your words. Just watch.
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I still can't believe the amount of people that think vaccine resistant variants are incubated in the unvaxxed.
 
Foreigner said:
Stop touting science when you're just stating an opinion.

Fact is, the vaccines are one option among many, and the government is lying about the lack of availability of other options. The truth is already starting to come out. Unions all over Canada and the U.S. are refusing to mandate because the vaccinated spread the virus just as badly as anyone else, and it's the vaccinated contributing to mutation, not the vaccinated. School boards are also refusing. That's what happens when you use a non-sterilizing vaccine on everyone during a pandemic, instead of the most vulnerable.

Stop pushing propaganda. The government has been caught lying so many times, along with the regulatory bodies. The people behind this have put significant investment into pushing this agenda, but the narrative is starting to fall apart. There is an incredible wealth of scientific evidence combined with medical expertise in the USA calling for this to stop now. They can keep deplatforming people who tell the truth, but it won't work forever.

Go get vaccinated if you want. You're rolling the dice. Getting covid itself is rolling the dice too. I personally would rather get covid than take this experimental shot that has maimed or killed literally millions and millions of people. They can't conceal something of this magnitude forever.

Now they are pushing omicron and boosters, even though the discoverer of it has been in the media saying that it has only been shown to cause mild symptoms. The lying never ends. I'm in Canada and it's getting to be almost as bad as Australia here. This has to stop.

When the truth comes out, I will be back to this thread to call you out, and others. You will eat your words, I swear it.
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I don't even know what to say to that. So I'm going to save my breath and read a book. If you want to stick your head in the sand, go ahead. I care for your health, but not enough to listen to this nonsense.
 
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Pickledlemons said:
I don't even know what to say to that. So I'm going to save my breath and read a book. If you want to be stick your head in the sand, go ahead. I care for your health, but not enough to listen to this nonsense.
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Just make sure to post those studies so I can read them.
 
Honestly I hope there are no long term issues, a lot of my family has gotten the vax, my 8yr old niece just got it, I think its insanely foolish of my brother to make her get it, but his their choice…and he decided to make her get it after her brother, my 18yr old nephew, had really bad head aches and some type of blood clots after getting his that he still taking medication for some months later
 
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Pickledlemons said:
I don't even know what to say to that. So I'm going to save my breath and read a book. If you want to be stick your head in the sand, go ahead. I care for your health, but not enough to listen to this nonsense.
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The irony of this statement.

The only one sticking their hand in the sand is you. I read research daily. I have medical colleagues all over the world.

There is no reasoning with people like you. You tout "science" but you suffer from extreme selection bias.

The science is showing myriad problems but if you won't look at that, there is absolutely nothing I can do. Enjoy your book.
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Honestly I hope there are no long term issues, a lot of my family has gotten the vax, my 8yr old niece just got it, I think its insanely foolish of my brother to make her get it, but his their choice
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A lot of people will be fine, but a lot won't. You roll the dice when you take it. My professional networks are on fire right now with ADR reporting. Nurses in hospitals are sounding the alarm about children. The people who need to listen aren't listening. Anyone who speaks out is being deplatformed. We are living in the darkest time since WWII and the saddest part is that so many people are desperate for "normal" to return that they aren't seeing it.

The truth is coming out slowly. They have possibly injured tens of millions of people. The long-term effects years out are not known yet. Once the government is brought back under control, it will take decades to fully investigate this. Here in Canada, Parliament is pressing our Prime Minister to release an unredacted 200 page document about how the two Level 5 Biolab scientists from China that were fired and went back to China possibly took Canada's intellectual property with them to the Wuhan lab. In other words, it's possible that SARS-CoV-2, which leaked from the Wuhan lab, was made with intellectual property from Canadian research, and the Canadian government is covering it up. This is an epic nightmare of unimaginable proportions, and I'm not exaggerating. Shit is really going to hit the fan when the truth comes out. The world governments are doing everything possible to keep a lid on it, but they won't be able to for much longer.

My ex-boyfriend who I just moved away from a month ago, he got the second shot 2 weeks ago, and he has myocarditis. He is 43 with no prior health problems.

These shots are no joke. And it's known now that they are the cause of the variants. I would be happy to explain how, with citations, to anyone who wants to listen.

I'm just worried about what's going to happen when the truth of the vaccines are known. People have been living in cognitive dissonance for so long now, that when they realize they went through all of this just to be given a vaccine that has probably damaged their bodies for life... I anticipate a lot of suicides.

Meanwhile, the cronies of the World Economic Forum are writing shit like this for all to see, not even bothering to hide it anymore. SARS-CoV-2 is real and harmful, but the major political power plays have very little to do with human health anymore.
 
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I am trying to post links to the Forbes article and to the Globe and Mail article about Parliament, but BL won't let me post it? WTF?
 
Electrum1 said:
Will you post any peer reviewed studies that disprove of potential long term heart damage caused by the new vaccine technology you want everyone to inject?
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Sure New England Journal of Medicine is a pretty rigorous journal. Good enough for you?

Based on a study of 2.5 million people with the phizer vaccine there were 54 cases. 1 patient died, and 10 patients had cardiovascular dysfunction at discharge.

The average incidence was 2.13 cases of myocarditis per 100,000 people vaccinated with ages 16-29 having 10.69 per hundred thousand.

This breaks down to an 0.001% chance of getting myocarditis if vaccinated (0.005% in worst case, young male).

The study has a much more detailed analysis, breaking down the severities between the patients and describing things such as coexisting conditions.

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www.nejm.org


The below paper details the level of protection from the moderna mrna vaccine (endpoint was positive covid pcr tests). The placebo group had a probability of 6.1% of getting covid in a 57 day period studied. The vaccinated group overall had a probability of 0.4% of getting covid in the same time period.

The risk of myocarditis is orders of magnitude lower than the decrease in covid risk between the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.

AAAS

www.science.org www.science.org
 
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