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Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

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I think at this point most people are doing it as a courtesy, not cause they are terrified of COVID…

Yeah that's me. I know some people are terrified so I do it to not be a dick. I have had covid and been vaccinated so I'm not really concerned much at all about myself. I'm also relatively young (though my cousin's girlfriend died with the "glass lung" and is 6 years older than me so I am not totally without caution). Some of it is also that I know vaccinated people are still sometimes passing it on, so it seems a good precaution.

In America at least so many people aren't doing it properly that it's kind of almost pointless. But I still care about the people I see who are scared of me when I don't wear it so I do.
 
I won't ever take the shots. Not ever. I have had covid, have immunity, and I don't trust the fuckers at all.
 
I almost died from COVID. I was on a ventilator for 2 weeks and heavily sedated. Before I got sick enough for the hospital, it was miserable. Seven days of straight up flulike sickness and I hadn’t eaten. We actually called an ambulance because I couldn’t stand up without feeling like I was going to pass out. My 02 was at 85% saturation. Ground glass opacities and everything. Having had a 20 year opioid addiction and being on methadone, they had trouble keeping me sedated once intubated, but I don’t remember much at all.
 
No, it isn't. It's just a reason for people to feel justified in their anti-masking desires. It wasn't enough to say "these don't help", it had to become "these make me sick so I won't wear them". People have been wearing masks to help prevent the spread ever since we discovered that sickness was spread through shedding of virus through the mouth and nose. As you've said and many others, quite correctly, you can clearly observe the moisture that ends up on your mask, moisture that would have gone into the air. obviously masks, especially non-N95 ones, don't totally stop virus spread, but they reduce the viral load in an area and it's an easy thing you can do that doesn't cost you fuck all.

Show me the empirical science that demonstrates one person can infect another in the way you describe. You can choose any respiratory virus you like. I'll wait..

I'll save you the trouble though. It doesn't exist. All the literature is circular in definition, and no where is there a single study to reference that proves transmission of disease in the manner you refer to. In fact it's the opposite. Studies were attempted during the Spanish Flu which showed the exact opposite, that they could not deliberately infect healthy unexposed patients using direct fluid transfer or contact with an infected person.

It's no different when it comes to the '2 metre rule', the 'R' rate, or any of the other bullshit they've pulled out of thin air. Absolutely none of it is empirical measurement, it's all statistical analysis based on the assumption that a pathogen is being transmitted from one person to another.

It's religious belief. That's all it is. You nor anyone but the virologists (with access to electron microscopes) can actually verify the existence of this virus. If you examine their methodology and the data published it is nothing short of a complete and utter fraud.

Masks don't do dick, because they're protecting you from something that doesn't even exist.
 
No, it isn't. It's just a reason for people to feel justified in their anti-masking desires. It wasn't enough to say "these don't help", it had to become "these make me sick so I won't wear them". People have been wearing masks to help prevent the spread ever since we discovered that sickness was spread through shedding of virus through the mouth and nose. As you've said and many others, quite correctly, you can clearly observe the moisture that ends up on your mask, moisture that would have gone into the air. obviously masks, especially non-N95 ones, don't totally stop virus spread, but they reduce the viral load in an area and it's an easy thing you can do that doesn't cost you fuck all.

For the record if they ever try to put me in a camp I will change my mind about what's going on right quick. That's fucked what they're doing. If indeed that is what's happening over there, I watched the video but the accent and the lack of context before and after the 44 second clip makes it kind of hard to tell exactly what's going on. Doesn't sound good though. Sounds like a reason to fuck with Aboriginal communities (I am just taking your word that it involved Aboriginal communities since the video clip doesn't mention that, nor does it have any text explaining what it is about, or even any comments at the time of this post).
Yea I’m not buying the mask are dangerous thing…the only thing I can see being a issue is people that don’t clean/replace their masks for an extended period of time causing some kind of bacterial build up and that possibly being unhealthy, I know my dad would still be wearing the same mask from the beginning of the pandemic if I didn’t throw them away and replace them with new ones
 
Show me the empirical science that demonstrates one person can infect another in the way you describe. You can choose any respiratory virus you like. I'll wait..

I'll save you the trouble though. It doesn't exist. All the literature is circular in definition, and no where is there a single study to reference that proves transmission of disease in the manner you refer to. In fact it's the opposite. Studies were attempted during the Spanish Flu which showed the exact opposite, that they could not deliberately infect healthy unexposed patients using direct fluid transfer or contact with an infected person.

It's no different when it comes to the '2 metre rule', the 'R' rate, or any of the other bullshit they've pulled out of thin air. Absolutely none of it is empirical measurement, it's all statistical analysis based on the assumption that a pathogen is being transmitted from one person to another.

It's religious belief. That's all it is. You nor anyone but the virologists (with access to electron microscopes) can actually verify the existence of this virus. If you examine their methodology and the data published it is nothing short of a complete and utter fraud.

Masks don't do dick, because they're protecting you from something that doesn't even exist.
With all due respect, when you say there is no virus it kind of kills your credibility off the bat…there is obviously something going around no ?
 
The vaccines are designed to skip generation X while killing off everybody younger than them
Phew! Thank fuck for that, I can sleep easier tonight now. Looks like I'm a winner (makes a fkin change like)

I've also eaten a gazillion magic mushrooms in the past so I'm hoping they've penetrated on a cellular (or even etheric) level which probably makes me lifetime-immune to the mk ultra mind control tech - result!!

Fuck yeah. Very considerate of ""THEM"" to spare Gen X, particularly as most of ""THEM"" are probably boomers (reptillian or otherwise)

Gen X is saved, party on motherfuckers!
 
With all due respect, when you say there is no virus it kind of kills your credibility off the bat…there is obviously something going around no ?

Spoken like a true believer. I'm not really interested in "obviously", "plausible", "believed", because that is all faith based sophistry. If it's as obvious as you insinuate then you should have absolutely no trouble proving it, right?

What's your proof something is 'going around'? People can fall ill without transmitting anything between each other i.e. food poisoning, so simply observing illness in people does not prove anything is 'going around'. Furthermore, for a novel virus that has no resistance to its effectiveness, how is it possible that people within the same household don't get infected if it's as contagious as you believe? Or medical staff for that matter. Before you answer, can you prove the explanation you put forward? Or is just founded on assumption and belief?

I'm not attacking you by the way, just trying to illustrate that this is indeed a belief system and not one based on hard proof.
 
Healing a global pandemic: I would say no, because I have 2 different doses of a vaccine, one of which is the AZ and is not recognized the US, so I can literally cannot travel to the US. Um, no. We basically have to wait in Canada for all the people who don't have the vaccine to die, etc. or numbers to go down (?). Internationally, I look at Africa and until there is a majority vaccinated, the pandemic isn't over. I mean people are dropping like flies in Russia, so healing the pandemic not so much...



In AB they let people like you (one AZ one Pfizer) get a Pfizer booster so they can go to USA right now, its probably the same in BC. I'm not going anywhere until this shit calms down, I don't want to get caught abroad and need medical treatment.
 
Spoken like a true believer. I'm not really interested in "obviously", "plausible", "believed", because that is all faith based sophistry. If it's as obvious as you insinuate then you should have absolutely no trouble proving it, right?

What's your proof something is 'going around'? People can fall ill without transmitting anything between each other i.e. food poisoning, so simply observing illness in people does not prove anything is 'going around'. Furthermore, for a novel virus that has no resistance to its effectiveness, how is it possible that people within the same household don't get infected if it's as contagious as you believe? Or medical staff for that matter. Before you answer, can you prove the explanation you put forward? Or is just founded on assumption and belief?

I'm not attacking you by the way, just trying to illustrate that this is indeed a belief system and not one based on hard proof.
Are you suggesting this whole thing is one giant reverse placebo thing ? I don’t know if that hold any water man …
 
Spoken like a true believer. I'm not really interested in "obviously", "plausible", "believed", because that is all faith based sophistry. If it's as obvious as you insinuate then you should have absolutely no trouble proving it, right?

What's your proof something is 'going around'? People can fall ill without transmitting anything between each other i.e. food poisoning, so simply observing illness in people does not prove anything is 'going around'. Furthermore, for a novel virus that has no resistance to its effectiveness, how is it possible that people within the same household don't get infected if it's as contagious as you believe? Or medical staff for that matter. Before you answer, can you prove the explanation you put forward? Or is just founded on assumption and belief?

I'm not attacking you by the way, just trying to illustrate that this is indeed a belief system and not one based on hard proof.

People don't always fall ill when they're around someone who has something. Sometimes their immune systems fight it off.

What do you believe is going on with sicknesses then? Do you believe in other forms of person-to-person transmission? STDs? I mean look, I can't personally prove it, I don't study viruses, I don't have the necessary tools to accomplish any sort of experiments, but neither can you personally disprove it. So we're both taking the word of someone else. I prefer to believe established medical science, which was built off of work from many people who made it their lives' work studying virology and transmission over the past 150 years, over something I heard from a guy on the Internet (by the way I think you're the first I've heard to suggest that not only is covid not real, but that the entire concept of viral spread through respiration is false). Said science has produced huge advances in reduction in transmission and lethality of diseases, as well as many vaccines that work extremely well. It's pretty clear they're onto something.
 
Spoken like a true believer. I'm not really interested in "obviously", "plausible", "believed", because that is all faith based sophistry. If it's as obvious as you insinuate then you should have absolutely no trouble proving it, right?

What's your proof something is 'going around'? People can fall ill without transmitting anything between each other i.e. food poisoning, so simply observing illness in people does not prove anything is 'going around'. Furthermore, for a novel virus that has no resistance to its effectiveness, how is it possible that people within the same household don't get infected if it's as contagious as you believe? Or medical staff for that matter. Before you answer, can you prove the explanation you put forward? Or is just founded on assumption and belief?

I'm not attacking you by the way, just trying to illustrate that this is indeed a belief system and not one based on hard proof.
When I was at a convenient mart one day in 2020, the woman ahead of me in line said that she had contracted the virus, went to the ICU, and was on a ventilator for a time. While she was extremely and massively overweight (looked like she probably weighed at least 400, maybe even more), she looked to be only in her mid-late 20s or maybe around 30 and said that she worked at a supermarket and that she was getting back on the work schedule after having been in the hospital.

My friend, her brother, her parents, and her grandfather got it back in April of 2020 as well. Her and her parents just got sick and recovered without incident, but her brother with a badly compromised immune system got it. He's only around 30 or so, but he ended up having a really bad case, wound up in the hospital, and wound up in the ICU on a ventilator. While he didn't die, it was a really close call. Her grandfather who was extremely elderly contracted the virus and died. Given this, I can see that the virus does exist. However, if I didn't know anyone who had it and had a bad case, I'd wonder too.
 
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All the worst cases ive heard about have also been second & third hand

Nobody personally

my 84 yr. old mother went into the hospital with pneumonia & came out six days later with the covaids
 
What's your proof something is 'going around'?

you probably will not accept this but fuck it i'll try.

firstly GISAID has at this point thousands of sars-cov2 sequences from around the world. we have sufficient resolution due to the huge sequencing efforts to plot the geographical spread of different lineages over time, which you can see here - if you want to drill down in more detail into specific variants, amino acid changes, genes, antibody escape etc you can do so on the UCSC COVID browser. furthermore there are many more resources available from the NCBI.

this is just data, not proof, but this has been submitted and collated by literally thousands of people all over the world. so if you don't believe in this virus, then you need to believe that every single person who has contributed to these projects has knowingly colluded in a global conspiracy. is this what you are claiming? can you explain how that would work please?

also its well known that some people infected with COVID are asymptomatic, so you can get transmission within households without realising it.

i know people who've lost loved ones, and many people who've been infected and had quite serious symptoms. but that's anecdotal, i'll go with the science. which overwhelmingly points to the existence of a viral infection that, having originated in wuhan, has now spread to every corner of the earth.
 
Masks are nothing but obedience training for the public. A hypnotic talisman, to remind people to be afraid of something they haven't even verified exists. It's actually embarrassing just how stupid people are, especially when the ruling class don't wear them except when posing for the camera.
One of the reasons for mask mandates is so that everyone remembers we are in a pandemic. How else would they know? We were promised Black Death-level fatalities with 3.4% mortality rates. Instead we got what amounted to a bad flu season (50K died a few years ago in one flu season in the UK but there was no play-by-play tally of the numbers on the TV).

No, it isn't. It's just a reason for people to feel justified in their anti-masking desires
"anti-mask" = pro-science.
Show me one study pre-2020 that says surgical masks or N95 respirators prevent the spread of ILIs (influenza-like illnesses).

Those poor surgeons, restricting their oxygen and breathing in bacteria. Makes you wonder how they perform such intensive life or death tasks while wearing those darn masks.
Some surgeons don't wear masks. Due to the negative effects.

Show me the empirical science that demonstrates one person can infect another in the way you describe. You can choose any respiratory virus you like. I'll wait..

I'll save you the trouble though. It doesn't exist. All the literature is circular in definition, and no where is there a single study to reference that proves transmission of disease in the manner you refer to. In fact it's the opposite. Studies were attempted during the Spanish Flu which showed the exact opposite, that they could not deliberately infect healthy unexposed patients using direct fluid transfer or contact with an infected person.

It's no different when it comes to the '2 metre rule', the 'R' rate, or any of the other bullshit they've pulled out of thin air. Absolutely none of it is empirical measurement, it's all statistical analysis based on the assumption that a pathogen is being transmitted from one person to another.

It's religious belief. That's all it is. You nor anyone but the virologists (with access to electron microscopes) can actually verify the existence of this virus. If you examine their methodology and the data published it is nothing short of a complete and utter fraud.

Masks don't do dick, because they're protecting you from something that doesn't even exist.
The "pro mask" crowd do not bother to look into the science. They also have very short memories.

They're trusting experts - who either blatantly lie or are ridiculously incompetent. I'm thinking when they say "expert" it actually means authority figure.



 
Does anyone believe that the director of the CDC doesn't know how many of their employees are vaccinated? Why would she not disclose this information.
She has an answer to all of the complicated questions but not the easy ones. I do wonder why that is

 
"anti-mask" = pro-science.
Show me one study pre-2020 that says surgical masks or N95 respirators prevent the spread of ILIs (influenza-like illnesses).
you asked for one, here's 3.


these are in broad agreement that both surgical masks and n95 masks prevent transmission of influenza. though there are some differences between their efficacy these are not statistically significant.

if you're so pro science why weren't you able to find that yourself, it took me like 2 minutes? an essential skill in science is to find relevant information, to the extent its taught in the early years of undergraduate degrees.

also, videos are not evidence.
 
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