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It actually makes sense to trust Iran and Russia more than the US right now, and this is coming from someone who loves the United States and is an American dual-citizen.

Just because you point out the depths that the US has sunk to, doesn't mean that you hate the country/people or that you do not want them to succeed.
It's more like an intervention.

With Trump as president yes.... The guy cant keep his word, any US deals or treaties, while holding the world economically hostage with tariffs but the US is not Trump nor Bush, which I believe to be the worst US presidents and a source of current mistrust for America but the United States historically has been a lot more reliable than either country. Trump is Russia's ultimate PR tool and coup. We are making Russia great again.
 
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Israel is extremely strategic to the US and our allies due to the Suez Canal and our interest with the movement of oil, Saudi Arabia(OPEC) and the dollar being held as a reserve currency. We are absolutely not controlled by Israel, as in they only benefit.
Israel has indiscriminately murdered US soldiers plus targeted rescuers and injured (see USS Liberty). The wars the US has recently fought overseas have come at a great cost to the US taxpayer with very little benefit or increased security for US citizens (arguably the opposite). The wars do benefit Israel geopolitically and also greatly benefit a small selection of individuals who profit from wars, selling arms and pillaging resources from the conquered. Follow the money. USA fights and dies for Israel's wars and most Americans are too stupid or brainwashed to realize it.

Trump is Russia ultimate PR tool and coup. We are making Russia great again.
Russia isn't actually that much of a threat, that's the the media garbage that you've swallowed for the past few years. US was actually making China great again. Your politicians love to sell you out to many countries. Clinton and Obama sold uranium to Russia for fuck's sake, and Mueller's FBI ignored the fact they were exporting yellowcake illegally via Canada and onto Europe. Mueller even personally flew and handed uranium samples to Russian officials. You think they would engage in this behavior if Russia was that big of a threat? Either Russia is not that big of a threat or Obama/Clinton/Mueller were actively colluding with enemy. After Trump won they simply accused him of the same shit (without evidence, mind you) to distract from ever digging too deeply into their own affairs. That's one reason why I've ultimately lost faith in Trump, he could've brought the hammer down a long time ago based on soooo much exposed corruption and he hasn't. To me that's an example of the overarching Deep State not allowing too much of their dirty business to be exposed (hey, remember Epstein? Who? I don't....old news)

Also how's Dianne Feinstein's driver for 20 years turning out to be a Chinese spy! Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if she knew that and it was concerted as a way to pass/sell information. I also have a feeling that's what Hillary was doing. There's no other sensible explanation for why she had top secret files on an unsecured server linked to her blackberry that she was bringing along to meet with foreign Chinese officials, ignoring the warnings of intel experts saying not to use her BB. I do not like Clinton at all but even I think there's no way that she is that stupid or incompetent. So anyway at the same time that Hillary was playing hot potato with top secret government files as Secretary of State, the Chinese government managed to uncover a CIA spy ring inside their government. The first spy was shot in the head in front of a government building and I believe the rest were executed. The timing was coincidental.

@somnilicious many, including myself, really enjoy your posts. 🙂
I enjoy fairytale bedtime stories too :)
 
@somnilicious many, including myself, really enjoy your posts. 🙂

Wow!! Thanks so much. I've been feeling really insignificant due to life events and lack of positive engagement and these statements really help my sense of isolation. I don't see how that warrants a laugh face. I have a hard time deciphering the content of that particular emoticon. Not a fan of it unless the post is a joke. I don't know if the emoticon was directed as an insult towards me or you but Thank you.

I actually decided to back off a bit and try to be a little more objective and I have actually found some of @JGrimez arguments to be compelling and well put together and have gained some new respect for him..... Though I see a notification that is probably a response from him that I haven't read so that may change....lol
 
Yeah it probably changed haha. But man I don't mean to ever be disrespectful I just abhor political correctness, and the increased censorship is now preventing people from speaking the truth so that is quite frustrating (I'm not talking about BL just in general).
 
Israel has indiscriminately murdered US soldiers plus targeted rescuers and injured (see USS Liberty). The wars the US has recently fought overseas have come at a great cost to the US taxpayer with very little benefit or increased security for US citizens (arguably the opposite). The wars do benefit Israel geopolitically and also greatly benefit a small selection of individuals who profit from wars, selling arms and pillaging resources from the conquered. Follow the money. USA fights and dies for Israel's wars and most Americans are too stupid or brainwashed to realize it.

Russia isn't actually that much of a threat, that's the the media garbage that you've swallowed for the past few years. US was actually making China great again. Your politicians love to sell you out to many countries. Clinton and Obama sold uranium to Russia for fuck's sake, and Mueller's FBI ignored the fact they were exporting yellowcake illegally via Canada and onto Europe. Mueller even personally flew and handed uranium samples to Russian officials. You think they would engage in this behavior if Russia was that big of a threat? Either Russia is not that big of a threat or Obama/Clinton/Mueller were actively colluding with enemy. After Trump won they simply accused him of the same shit (without evidence, mind you) to distract from ever digging too deeply into their own affairs. That's one reason why I've ultimately lost faith in Trump, he could've brought the hammer down a long time ago based on soooo much exposed corruption and he hasn't. To me that's an example of the overarching Deep State not allowing too much of their dirty business to be exposed (hey, remember Epstein? Who? I don't....old news)

Also how's Dianne Feinstein's driver for 20 years turning out to be a Chinese spy! Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if she knew that and it was concerted as a way to pass/sell information. I also have a feeling that's what Hillary was doing. There's no other sensible explanation for why she had top secret files on an unsecured server linked to her blackberry that she was bringing along to meet with foreign Chinese officials, ignoring the warnings of intel experts saying not to use her BB. I do not like Clinton at all but even I think there's no way that she is that stupid or incompetent. So anyway at the same time that Hillary was playing hot potato with top secret government files as Secretary of State, the Chinese government managed to uncover a CIA spy ring inside their government. The first spy was shot in the head in front of a government building and I believe the rest were executed. The timing was coincidental.

I enjoy fairytale bedtime stories too :)


LOL.... and there it is. More of the same. It's as if you didn't even read my posts.

I outlined why Russia very much is a threat in my post. It is not "fake news". Friendly non threatening countries don't interfere in elections. They are a direct threat to the legitimacy of our democratic elections and the elections of our European allies, they seek to undermine our democracy, they have been trying to manipulate the break down of NATO and our European alliances for some time because it is vital to their expansion plans and so much more.

The Suez canal for trade and oil movement.... our relationship to Saudi Arabia(Opec) and Oil being traded in the US dollar is vital to our economic security and the strength of the dollar. The Suez canal being captured by the Nazi's would have strangled Great Britain during WW2 and it's one of the reasons the creation of Israel was so strategically important and the the insurance of the movement of oil and goods through the canal is vital to our economic interests. Control of the canal by a hostile country could be used as a tool for trade warfare. Having a strong ally in the middle east is vital.

misdirection and then the insult. Spoke too soon. Classic Grimey.

.... And as far as Hillary and her mishandling of Classified information, I'm going to pull a page out of your playbook. Let's take a look a some of Trumps mishandling of classified information

A lot of these bed time stories are brought to us by our "deep state" CIA and FBI intelligence gathering agencies but its "Fake news."
 
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Yeah it probably changed haha. But man I don't mean to ever be disrespectful I just abhor political correctness, and the increased censorship is now preventing people from speaking the truth so that is quite frustrating (I'm not talking about BL just in general).

It's cool dude.... I'm not being politically correct I am viewing their(Russia's) actions and it is obvious in my eyes that they are a threat.

I am trying to be a little more open minded and bring a little more amiable discourse and understanding to our exchanges.
 
I outlined why Russia very much is a threat in my post. It is not "fake news". Friendly non threatening countries don't interfere in elections. They are a direct threat to the legitimacy of our democratic elections and the elections of our European allies, they seek to undermine our democracy, they have been trying to manipulate the break down of NATO and our European alliances for some time because it is vital to their expansion plans and so much more.
Google interfered far more in the election than Russia. Russians paying $4,700 on FB ads did not significantly influence the election - that was all the evidence they could find, after literally yelling about Russian interference 24/7. It's done, we've seen the evidence (or lack thereof).

After WWII the powers made a deal. There would be a buffer zone between Europe and Russia. It has been the West that violated this agreement and have been amassing and increasing troops and weaponry along Russia's borders. Now imagine if Russia was doing the same along the Canadian or Mexican borders. Russia are only a threat when the West antagonizes them. Also RT is currently more honest than all US mainstream media.

the creation of Israel was so strategically important
This is worth investigating. The fact is that the US/Israel relationship doesn't really aid the US as much as you think and you downplay the influence she wields over your government.

tAnd as far as Hillary and her mishandling of Classified information, I'm going to pull a page out of your playbook. Let's take a look a some of Trumps mishandling of classified information
smh.... for you to conflate the two just shows you have very little understanding of what happened. Also you're deflecting. This is the Clinton thread how about you address what she did and accept the reality of the most insane example of obstruction of justice ever. I like you a lot man but respectfully you're in over your head
 
Thanks for saying I rock in SLR. You have no idea how much that comment means to me, as helping people there is usually my number one priority on this site and you have now motivated me to step up my efforts in that particular forum.

I was really walking away from this forum and that particular exchange and not BL entirely because I see debating old Grimey as being a general waste of time because he never concedes anything but I was considering walking away from BL for a variety reasons but your statement has made me realize I do serve a purpose here.

I was a little upset because my posts in this forum received no interests except from the guy from New Zealand, who I actually like and respect from the psychedelic forum, told me that he basically hates America and admitted he trusts Iran and Russia more than the US, then promptly put up the stupid little laugh emoticons on my statements...lol.... and Grimey, who thinks everything is leftist propaganda "fake news" and ignores anything his guy Trump does by deflection and misdirection.

I was really just having a bad day and needed to lighten up but really that statement was one the coolest things anybody on this site has ever said to me. That small piece of recognition means the world to me.
Hey so I have a question for you, where do get your information from? When you want to find out what's happening, what do you read/watch? Curious
 
Google interfered far more in the election than Russia. Russians paying $4,700 on FB ads did not significantly influence the election - that was all the evidence they could find, after literally yelling about Russian interference 24/7. It's done, we've seen the evidence (or lack thereof).

After WWII the powers made a deal. There would be a buffer zone between Europe and Russia. It has been the West that violated this agreement and have been amassing and increasing troops and weaponry along Russia's borders. Now imagine if Russia was doing the same along the Canadian or Mexican borders. Russia are only a threat when the West antagonizes them. Also RT is currently more honest than all US mainstream media.

This is worth investigating. The fact is that the US/Israel relationship doesn't really aid the US as much as you think and you downplay the influence she wields over your government.

smh.... for you to conflate the two just shows you have very little understanding of what happened. Also you're deflecting. This is the Clinton thread how about you address what she did and accept the reality of the most insane example of obstruction of justice ever. I like you a lot man but respectfully you're in over your head

Dude.... come on.... This is the 2nd time you have thrown out this $4,700 number and your google spiel and me and Xorxoth already did this with you. Even Kushner over quoted you....lol
Way more, way, way, WAY and beyond just money.
This was in the Mueller report..... member

..... and there is this direct little attack to voting systems in all 50 states.

and of course I'm deflecting it was actually a joke because it's your favorite thing to do (misdirect), so that was my retort to the information you listed..... and conflate. We literally had to pull a valuable US spy out due to fears for the safety of their life because Trump was sharing classified information with Russian officials .
 
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Hey so I have a question for you, where do get your information from? When you want to find out what's happening, what do you read/watch? Curious

I don't know..... People generally do not usually have a single source for information but a broad array. I read books, scroll around on the net and occasionally catch stuff on the news. Why do you ask?
 
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I don't know..... People generally do not usually have a single source for information but a broad array. I read books, scroll around on the net and occasionally catch stuff on the news. Why do you ask?
I was curious too, but I can't speak for the other posters.

I respect your ability to question and/or criticize objectively and logically.
 
Russians paying $4,700 on FB ads did not significantly influence the election

I have indeed provided you before with the source for the $4,700 figure being wildly inaccurate. The Mueller report states it was like $2 million a week or something, I don't remember the figure off the top of my head but it was a lot. But even if it was $4,700, you think a country that would pay to influence our election is trustworthy? It was not very long ago that Russia tried in the two biggest wars in the world's history to become the main global power, in direct opposition to Europe and America. It's impressive what they're doing right now, they somehow managed to convince the same people who are still terrified of communists (because of how scared we were of Russia) that now Russia's got our back. Apologizing for their election interference for them.

Also what do you have to say about Russia interfering with the UK's elections?
 
I have indeed provided you before with the source for the $4,700 figure being wildly inaccurate. The Mueller report states it was like $2 million a week or something, I don't remember the figure off the top of my head but it was a lot. But even if it was $4,700, you think a country that would pay to influence our election is trustworthy? It was not very long ago that Russia tried in the two biggest wars in the world's history to become the main global power, in direct opposition to Europe and America. It's impressive what they're doing right now, they somehow managed to convince the same people who are still terrified of communists (because of how scared we were of Russia) that now Russia's got our back. Apologizing for their election interference for them.

Also what do you have to say about Russia interfering with the UK's elections?

Everyone does it. Fingering Russia is hypocritical. The USA will actively foment coups in other countries and physically remove or kill their leaders. And we've got people crying over fucking Facebook ads. If you think that Russians significantly altered the results of the election in any way - then you may be suffering from TDS.

Russia has also becoming a convenient scapegoat for when the establishment fails spectacularly and cannot admit they fucked up and do not desire to come clean. Plan A = blame the Russians. I've seen them blamed for some of the most ridiculous nonsense recently.

If people were legitimately concerned about election interference then they would blame Google and Israel. But they're not. They uninformed, hypocritical and they're far too easily-led.
 
Everyone does it. Fingering Russia is hypocritical. The USA will actively foment coups in other countries and physically remove or kill their leaders. And we've got people crying over fucking Facebook ads. If you think that Russians significantly altered the results of the election in any way - then you may be suffering from TDS.

Russia has also becoming a convenient scapegoat for when the establishment fails spectacularly and cannot admit they fucked up and do not desire to come clean. Plan A = blame the Russians. I've seen them blamed for some of the most ridiculous nonsense recently.

If people were legitimately concerned about election interference then they would blame Google and Israel. But they're not. They uninformed, hypocritical and they're far too easily-led.

If you read my posts you would see they did a lot more than just a couple of Facebook ad's. They orchestrated meet ups, demonstrations, seeded social unrest and hacked voting systems in all 50 states. They sent operatives into the United States and were spending millions of dollars monthly by the end of well over a year leading up to the elections.

Why don't You see any of this and definite and probably worse future attacks as a problem for democratic elections in the United States. Why are you such a rabid Trump supporter and are so concerned with the United States if you live in Australia, especially when you claim dual citizenship but keep referring to it as your(as in my but not your) goverment. Why are you concerned enough to post all day from Australia about our President but you don't even take ownership of the goverment, as a dual citizen. You act as an outsider, who seems a little too concerned. If you love the United States why do you defend and try to legitimize Russia by stating things the United States does. You love America and want (our) actions to succeed over Russia don't you? Somethings not right about you and a lot of of your statements and phrasing. You do nothing but try to sow and ferment discord, discontent and question all things considered liberal, using all the same tactics the Russian facebook operatives used, while constantly defending Russia.

You're going to try and make me look crazy and I don't care but I'm 100% calling you out as a Russian mole. I am absolutely 100% convinced and there is more accounts.

Just this morning another brand new Trump supporting poster asked me in IM mail if he could take over my account because he was looking for an older bluelight account to use. He said he would change the information. At first I thought he had to be LEO looking for an older account for legitimacy but now I know the reason. You guys saw my post stating that I had thought about leaving Bluelight and thought you could use my account to your advantage.

I have absolutely no doubt of your identity and your true intent and I'm going to make sure your burned.
 
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Id argue that anyone who uses the term "trump derangement syndrome" seriously is too childish to discuss politics with.
 

the second link said:
A U.S. State Department investigation of Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state has found no evidence of deliberate mishandling of classified information by department employees.
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“While there were some instances of classified information being inappropriately introduced into an unclassified system in furtherance of expedience, by and large, the individuals interviewed were aware of security policies and did their best to implement them in their operations,” the report said.

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