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The Clinton Discussion Thread

So I'd like people who consider Trump racist to comment and be clear.
The clip posted above proves that Trump isn't a racist.
The MSM isn't publishing Clinton's racist joke on their front pages or obsessing about it for hours on cable news.
If Trump had said this "joke", we all know it would be discussed here feverishly with it being "the proof that Trump is racist."
However it's not being bandied as Clinton being a definite racist. Why not?
Because if the Left admits that Clinton is racist (I found what she said far more racist than anything Trump has said), then the accusations against Trump hold far less weight. Will any Trump-accusers step up and either admit that what Clinton said is very racist, or will they admit to their being extreme double standards within the media?
 
JGrimez said:
So I'd like people who consider Trump racist to comment and be clear.
The clip posted above proves that Trump isn't a racist.
The MSM isn't publishing Clinton's racist joke on their front pages or obsessing about it for hours on cable news.
If Trump had said this "joke", we all know it would be discussed here feverishly with it being "the proof that Trump is racist."
However it's not being bandied as Clinton being a definite racist. Why not?
Because if the Left admits that Clinton is racist (I found what she said far more racist than anything Trump has said), then the accusations against Trump hold far less weight. Will any Trump-accusers step up and either admit that what Clinton said is very racist, or will they admit to their being extreme double standards within the media?
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Why do you have to be pro Clinton, defend Clinton, in order to hate and/or attack trump?

I hate Clinton, and I hate trump even more. I don't particularly think of either as racist, but it really doesn't matter to me. The near undeniable reality of both of them is more than enough for me to want to oppose both.
 
I dont really hate either however the facade of Clinton is clearly an act, a show, like a lot of public figures who assume this image of a caring open honest appearance. Trump is either just his normal inept self at all times, not bothering with the image factor, so he is more likely to be an "honest liar" than Clinton who pretends to be a truthful person.

If that makes no sense I'm unable to say what I mean.
 
JGrimez said:
umm, if Trump said this everyone would be calling him a racist, yes? That would be proof.
So Hillary Clinton is racist, too? Glad y'all agree

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its different because trump is an actual racist (or at least preys on feeble minded racists as a way of controlling them).

its like black people saying the N word. they can say it without being called racists, white nationalists (which trump admitted he was a few days ago at his rally) cannot say they N word without be called a racist

get it? its called a double standard



for the record hillary a toolbag that should be "locked up" not because of deleting her emails though, but for rigging a primary election. its amazing how that blew over with no consequences other than her losing the election
 
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LucidSDreamr said:
its different because trump is an actual racist
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You'll need to present evidence to prove this.

LucidSDreamr said:
(or at least preys on feeble minded racists as a way of controlling them).
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Campaigning is not the same as being racist. Do you have examples? Don't confuse rhetoric against illegal immigrants and terrorists as racism - as they come in all races.

LucidSDreamr said:
white nationalists (which trump admitted he was a few days ago at his rally) cannot say they N word without be called a racist
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What? Where/how did he admit he was a white nationalist?
Nationalist does not equal white nationalist. Trump just met with 400 young black leaders from around the country (many if not all of them labeling themselves Nationalists). Would you say that they are white nationalists, or just too stupid to know which party people of their race should align with?

LucidSDreamr said:
get it? its called a double standard
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I agree that this is a massive double standard.
Liberals are allowed to be racist and it's just "haha".

LucidSDreamr said:
for the record hillary a toolbag that should be "locked up" not because of deleting her emails though, but for rigging a primary election.
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Study the case. Anyone who says "deleting emails" knows nothing about it and has bought into propaganda, what she actually did was destroy subpeona'd evidence, and that was AFTER mishandling classified and SAP information, which is FAR worse than committing fraud with the DNC. Letting foreign states obtain Special Access Programs? There's evidence that this let to the Chinese government busting a CIA spying ring over there and executing American spies (one was shot in front of the government building as a warning). This could even reach the level of treason and treason in punishable by death. No wonder the FBI had to cover it up.

LucidSDreamr said:
its amazing how that blew over with no consequences other than her losing the election
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I agree. It was only Jared & Elizabeth Beck who took any action and sued the DNC in a class-action on behalf of Bernie supporters.
The stuff that the DNC's lawyers said in court should have been all over the news. That's how you clean up the DNC. Expose their crimes so that everyone knows, change the leadership and make sure it happens again. Just denying everything is how you get Clinton 2020
 
JessFR said:
Why do you have to be pro Clinton, defend Clinton, in order to hate and/or attack trump?

I hate Clinton, and I hate trump even more. I don't particularly think of either as racist, but it really doesn't matter to me. The near undeniable reality of both of them is more than enough for me to want to oppose both.
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This isn't about hate it's specifically about accusations of racism directed at Trump and the flimsiness of them.
If you're not one who consistently labels Trump racist as a way to deligitimize his presidency then this wasn't directed at you.

See everyone's avoiding the issue here of admitting that Clinton said something very racist (more than anything Trump has said).
Nobody will admit it because nobody wants to call Clinton a racist, only Trump.
 
I honestly don't understand what anybody sees in this woman, at all. She has no charisma. She lacks confidence. She's made serious mistakes in previous political positions. I'm glad she wasn't the first female president. We need a good female president... I don't dislike her because she's a democrat. I like Bernie Sanders and I like Obama. I wouldn't vote for either of them, but I like them. Hillary can't convincingly fake sincerity. Every time I see her, she's like someone trapped in an awkward social encounter. I always thought she was a weak candidate and Bernie was a strong candidate... The democratic party really fucked up on this one.
 
Sorry to go off-topic, but why/what do you like about Obama? Just personality-wise or policy too
 
He's a pretty conservative president, despite being a Democrat. But, he's also charming. I can appreciate a good leader-type even if I disagree with their policies... I think people focus too much on personality, though. I would never vote for a charming personality. I don't think it's particularly relevant. If you zoom out from all the surface stuff (personality / race / sexuality / social grace) and just look at numbers, his presidency doesn't look so good. I think he has the record for highest number of bombs dropped after FDR. It's not hugely important if a politician is charming or even likeable. But, it has some relevancy. Trump lacks likeability, whereas Obama had it in droves.

I guess all that means (if I'm being cynical) is - unlike Hillary - he can convincingly feign sincerity.
 
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I honestly don't understand what anybody sees in this woman, at all. She has no charisma. She lacks confidence. She's made serious mistakes in previous political positions. I'm glad she wasn't the first female president. We need a good female president... I don't dislike her because she's a democrat. I like Bernie Sanders and I like Obama. I wouldn't vote for either of them, but I like them. Hillary can't convincingly fake sincerity. Every time I see her, she's like someone trapped in an awkward social encounter. I always thought she was a weak candidate and Bernie was a strong candidate... The democratic party really fucked up on this one.
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I don't disagree with your points about Clinton, but I think you sort of mention something a bit off about the current (perhpas perpetual) state of politics, where we judge candidates on things like "charisma" and social awkwardness rather than focusing more on their policies. Whether we "like" a candidate doesn't seem like the best reason to make anyone president.
 
Yeah, of course. People focus too much on whether or not Trump is likeable and how charming Obama is. I mentioned that in another thread... My point is: I don't find anything likeable about Clinton. I don't agree with her policies, I don't trust her, and she's not even remotely charming enough to distract me from that.
 
Some psychopaths are better at the superficial charm than others.
That's generally why people like Obama, because he's "cool".
If you look at his actions, he's a pretty evil bastard.
 
JGrimez said:
This isn't about hate it's specifically about accusations of racism directed at Trump and the flimsiness of them.
If you're not one who consistently labels Trump racist as a way to deligitimize his presidency then this wasn't directed at you.

See everyone's avoiding the issue here of admitting that Clinton said something very racist (more than anything Trump has said).
Nobody will admit it because nobody wants to call Clinton a racist, only Trump.
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Even if we suppose that you're right. What I don't see is why they should be compared together? Hillary Clinton lost. She's not president. Trump won. It was one thing when the election was on, obviously you're gonna compare them when you're deciding which you want as president. But I don't think it should matter anymore. If trump should be compared to someone, it should be to other presidents in the past.

Also just FYI, I use the word "hate" pretty loosely. I'm not one of those people who say "I don't hate X, I just Y". I use the word hate in a pretty casual way. I'm not very strict about it. So if I say I hate this or someone else hates that, I really mean any significant hostility. Just thought I should clarify that cause I know many people take how they use the word hate a lot more seriously. Which is fine, but I don't.
 
I disagree. The comparison serves a purpose. Grimey was attempting to expose a bias. (Not sure why he was banned. People have insulted him way more than he has insulted anyone from what I've seen. But, I guess he doesn't bother to report it because it's often CEP staff insulting him... Kind of like how people don't call the police to report that the police are corrupt as fuck.) Anyway, I think his point was: if Trump says/does something, it's so much worse than if Obama/Clinton does the same thing. Whether or not they're president at the moment is irrelevant. She's a former secretary of state and she was the last democratic nominee. Her behaviour isn't beyond criticism. There were only two options for president in 2016. What she said was clearly way more racist than anything Trump has ever said (no supposition necessary). So, we ended up with the less-racist president... Obviously this is relevant.
 
swilow said:
I don't disagree with your points about Clinton, but I think you sort of mention something a bit off about the current (perhpas perpetual) state of politics, where we judge candidates on things like "charisma" and social awkwardness rather than focusing more on their policies. Whether we "like" a candidate doesn't seem like the best reason to make anyone president.
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I agree it shouldn't be the best reason to make someone a candidate, but charisma is absolutely a factor ever since debates began being televised. How a person carries themself, communicates (in)effectively, has clear direction...all of these factors that are NOT policies or platforms, they matter. They shouldn't, but they do. The policies and platforms are generally party line, they won't deviate significantly when running for an office because the candidate wants full support from their party, and they don't want to give anyone a reason to think they are odd or stick out on a topic. However, time and again, how attractive a person is becomes more of a sway factor than their policies.

Look at it this way, within a party the candidates seeking nomination tend to have relatively the same policies as the overall party. There may be small differences, and those can cost a candidate, but in general they end up going for the 'pretty one'. Then you have the race between the two party nominees, where platform is significantly different but the masses have already aligned themselves with their preferred party prior to the 'pretty face' being nominated. The debates only galvanize the policy points that were already known - party voters won't be swayed. The middle voters that can be swayed? If they weren't already swayed by party policies...it comes down to charisma, and winning those sway votes.

How many ugly, sweaty, or mumbling politicians have been elected based on a solid platform? Minimal, I believe. And how many charismatic morons have gotten into office? Um, easy pickings there.
 
JGrimez said:
This isn't about hate it's specifically about accusations of racism directed at Trump and the flimsiness of them.
If you're not one who consistently labels Trump racist as a way to deligitimize his presidency then this wasn't directed at you.

See everyone's avoiding the issue here of admitting that Clinton said something very racist (more than anything Trump has said).
Nobody will admit it because nobody wants to call Clinton a racist, only Trump.
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Clinton is racist.



IMO.






I am of the opinion that humans are all racist and the only difference is how racist they are by their own admission and how racist they appear to others.


Both Trump and Clinton appear racist to varying degrees to ppl here therefore both are racist.

Hope you can see the responses despite ability to reply jgrimez, your input here is valued here despite not being welcome by others.

<3 u
 
BUMP because Hillary had a thread too, and if she becomes relevant for any reason, we've got a place to talk about her. (crosses fingers she fades into footnotes).
 
Don't listen to the Q nonsense, just listen to the government officials. They're discussing emails that are so classified that both of them (Congressman + OIG) are not allowed to view them, they're not even allowed to tell Congress the name of the agency that's blocking them from seeing the information! This is the Deep State staring us straight in the face.

And here's the kicker, Hillary Clinton had that information on a private bathroom server that was unsecured for 3 months while she met with foreign officials. Think about that - and how secure this information is.
 
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