The Clinton Discussion Thread

[LiquidMethod]

It the major reason I didn't support her until it was clear there were no other contenders (Bernie said all along he was only in it to keep Hillary to the left).

Wow you are in some serious denial. Are you just going to ignore the fact that the DNC colluded to screw Sanders over in the primaries?

DNC Fraud Lawsuit Dismissed

After months of litigation, The DNC Fraud Lawsuit has been dismissed by Judge Zloch. Lawyers Jared and Elizabeth Beck have long cited deep corruption of the judicial system as a potential reason for the suit’s dismissal. The ruling comes as a blow to many former Bernie Sanders supporters who had hoped that the suit would address what many view as deeply seated corruption in the Democratic party establishment.

In his ruling, Judge Zloch wrote that the plaintiffs had failed to prove their injury, calling it “too diffuse” for Federal court. Despite the dismissal, Zloch did state that the court assumed the basic claim made by the plaintiffs to have been true; that the DNC acted against Bernie Sanders and in favor of Hillary Clinton despite outward claims of neutrality.

Three decades of Republican ratfuckery and a huge chunk of the population honestly believes she eats Haitian orphans.

She did come to the rescue of a woman who was stealing Haitian children from their parents and disguising them as orphans. It is not crazy to believe this fact, it is crazy to ignore it.

 

[Scrofula]

I'm well aware that the chair was against Bernie. That doesn't change his stated goals.

So I'm in denial of what?

I also never supported Bernie, who had lost the nomination long before news from the clubhouse got out.

His message was populist same as Trump.

And it is batshit, actually, to connect Hillary even if an NGO DID steal a baby, to eat, with Clinton Foundation Money paying for the ketchup.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

It the major reason I didn't support her until it was clear there were no other contenders (Bernie said all along he was only in it to keep Hillary to the left). Three decades of Republican ratfuckery and a huge chunk of the population honestly believes she eats Haitian orphans.

i would think republicans would be in favor of killing black poor people, don't see why they think this is a problem

 

[Scrofula]

The one percent need the help. Extermination isn't really their goal, just as long as the masses point their pitchforks at themselves, and bring them another scotch while they're at it.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

The one percent need the help. Extermination isn't really their goal, just as long as the masses point their pitchforks at themselves, and bring them another scotch while they're at it.

The One Percent probably should consider long-term goals, since once the pitchforks come out, the pool of acceptable targets expands until it includes everyone.

 

[cduggles]

People, it takes a village. :D
Note: Use cool torches for the pitchfork march. Tiki torches will be confiscated.

 

[Scrofula]

I'm so glad I stopped watching TV news, so I never saw nazis with tiki torches. It would ruin the last tiki dive bar, in Suisun City.

Actually that's less of a dive. A real dive is in Oakland on Piedmont, can't remember the name though dammit.

 

[LiquidMethod]

And it is batshit, actually, to connect Hillary even if an NGO DID steal a baby, to eat, with Clinton Foundation Money paying for the ketchup.

Clinton is directly connected because we have proof of her receiving email updates regarding the case, and then she & Bill directly involved themselves by putting pressure on the Haitian government to get the arrested off the hook. The Haitian prosecutors wanted to deservingly charge Silsby with child trafficking. Thanks to Hillary she was set free (after pleading guilty to a lesser charge of arranging irregular travel). I thought Clinton was all about protecting the poor, downtrodden citizens of other countries. So why would she directly help someone who was committing the serious crime of stealing children from their parents and trafficking them across the border? The accusations against Clinton fucking up Haiti are not some delusional right-wing conspiracy - they are based in facts, which you are unable to adequately explain away. What you do to detract from the issues is make up nonsense accusations like Hillay eating children. Follow along with me very slowly, even read it a few times over - Hillary is accused of stealing charity money meant for Haitians, and many surmise that she is profiting from the trade of human trafficking, an accusation which evidence shows has merit. Are you able to discuss this without appealing to ridicule?




The case for a special counsel to investigate Hillary Clinton:

But the Clinton email scandal, like Clinton herself, won’t go away. It remains a blot on the legacy of the Obama administration, the Justice Department and the FBI, and now comes fresh evidence that the investigation that cleared her was a total sham.

The revelation from the Senate Judiciary Committee that J. Edgar Comey drafted his statement exonerating her about two months before FBI agents interviewed Clinton or 16 other witnesses confirms suspicions that the probe was neither honest nor thorough. When the outcome is decided long before the investigation is over, the result can’t be trusted.

Imagine a baseball game where the final score is decided before the players take the field. What’s the point of playing the game, and why should spectators trust anyone involved?

 

[Scrofula]

Do you have those emails showing her ordering an NGO to kidnap babies for a sex trade?

 

[LiquidMethod]

If I catch someone in the act, do I need emails to convict them? Very simple question for you: should we prosecute people caught trafficking children in developing countries? Or should we intervene to free them? Your silence on this issue is deafening.

Clintons' Connection to Laura Silsby Discovered?

Here are links to the child traffickers in Clinton's emails

 

[Scrofula]

You caught Hillary in the act of emailing proof of her involvement?

We sure should prosecute child traffickers. I'll shout it extra loud since you can't seem to hear me.

I clicked for fun, and haven't read your link yet, but you know how I know it's just another Liquid BS link? Because the title has a question mark, and in those cases, the answer is always "no".

ETA: Ok, it's "Charisma News" which I take to be a Christian Fundamentalist rag, a group not known for objectivity. They cite some anonymous person from Reddit, which is worse than saying "a hobo met at a bus station", and the links to wikileaks are all dead.

 

[LiquidMethod]

For anyone who has been following the Imran Awan scandal (again, ignored by the mainstream media). Awan and his wife Hina Alvi (who fled to Pakistan but has since returned to face charges) were working on a plea deal to avoid prison time. But on Friday federal sources said those talks had progressed into a likely immunity deal for the duo:

Congressman Drops Bomb on Awan Probe; Wife Working Immunity Deal To Tell “Disturbing” Story to American People”
Wife of Imran Awan Cuts Deal With Feds - Deep State Woes?

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Wow, looks like James Comey exonerated Hillary Clinton long before the investigation was over...and so much more. A rigged system!

^FYI: This is not a lie. Trump is speaking the truth regarding the corrupt Comey & Clinton. No legitimate investigation took place and further indictments are likely.

 

[cduggles]

The investigation of Secretary Clinton's emails was damaging to her campaign. The FBI's exoneration did little to mitigate that damage.

None of this matters anymore except for Trump's unceremonious firing of former FBI Director Comey, for which ample evidence exists that it occurred because of the Russia investigation from Trump himself. Who believes Trunp cared about the FBI's investigation of Clinton's emails? Why didn't Trump appoint a special prosecutor (which he can't do, but "Lock Her Up" is catchy) or push for her immediate prosecution instead of saying that she had suffered enough after he won the election?

And why the alt-right news push? This is pure spin because Mueller has an earlier draft of Trump firing Former FBI Director Comey that his aides dissuaded Trump, for once, not to deliver. So the bs they are peddling is if Hillary was exonerated early by a letter, wasn't Trump right to fire Comey? Floating those balloons to muddy the impeachment waters.

White House Counsel McGahn inappropriately reviewed the earlier draft of the Comey firing letter. White House Counsel does not serve Trump personally, rather it serves the Office of the President. McGahn has been subpoenaed by Mueller and now shares a lawyer with Reince Priebus.

As I've stated elsewhere, sometimes people need to have documents reviewed by others, like lawyers and other organizational members. They don't just scrawl them out to lie for their son on a plane while ignoring everyone's advice. Also, a draft of a letter not exonerating Secretary Clinton could also exist.

It's still irrelevant. The FBI investigation was institutional, not performed solely by Former FBI Director Comey. He enjoyed widespread support from the agency before Trump fired him, but not enough to announce false results from an investigation regarding a Presidential candidate. There are people in government with integrity, and there were too many FBI agents and others involved for someone not to protest at a high level if Comey inappropriately exonerated Secretary Clinton.

Trump also stated on National TV while speaking to Lester Holt that he had already made the decision to fire Comey due to the Russia investigation prior to consulting anyone.

Trump also discussed Comey in the Oval Office whilst declassifying code word intelligence to the Russians that came from the Israelis to Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov and Russia's former ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak. Trump called Comey "a nut job" and said that firing him had taken "great pressure" off him to the Russians.

Note: Kislyak's participation was not noted in the White House readout of the meeting. A Russian state photographer, the only media allowed in the meeting, posted shots of the smiling Trump and the Russians from the event on an official website.

Source 1

Source 2

Multiple additional sources available upon request

tl:dr: read the bold parts

 

[LiquidMethod]

This is the Clinton thread.
Trump thread is over there.

The investigation of Secretary Clinton's emails was damaging to her campaign. The FBI's exoneration did little to mitigate that damage.

No, the crimes committed by Secretary Clinton were damaging to her campaign. The FBI's coverup did little to mitigate that damage.

None of this matters anymore

It matters a lot. Clinton was almost president and losing an election doesn't absolve one from any crimes committed. If she won maybe she would've gotten away with it, And you always want to be strengthening national security measures.

There are people in government with integrity, and there were too many FBI agents and others involved for someone not to protest at a high level if Comey inappropriately exonerated Secretary Clinton.

They did protest. That's why Comey re-opened the investigation a week before the voting, aiding in Clinton's loss. They even found thousands of classified Clinton emails on pedophile Anthony Weiner's laptop.

If the Russia investigation is a farce based on no evidence or crime (which it is), then Comey deserved to be fired for the politicized witch hunt.
Comey is a POS, so it makes sense that they were pleased with the firing (just not for the reasons that some schizophrenic pundits are claiming)

 

[LiquidMethod]

The very important difference between these two stories is that in one we have indisputable evidence of crimes, while in the other we have none.

 

[cduggles]

^^:Sometimes issues overlap. My post begins with the FBI investigation of the emails of Secretary Clinton. Trump based his final letter firing former FBI Director Comey based on his handling of Secretary Clinton's emails. In other words, this topic involves both Secretary Clinton, former FBI Director Comey and Trump. I don't know how else to explain it.

Ok, so in your mind, if the FBI covered up Secretary Clinton's crimes, who should investigate? According to you, alll the intelligence agencies are corrupt.
How about Congress? The Senate? Instead of working on vital legislation, we should divert them... oh wait they are corrupt too.

She is a civilian now, so how many millions of taxpayer dollars should be spent re-investigating Secretary Clinton and former FBI Director Comey? And maybe 4chan and Reddit can helm the investigation, or sott.net or a random person on the street.

You can read my posts about Mueller's investigation and previous independent counsel investigations.
They don't take five minutes child. And just because there aren't leaks from Mueller's formidable team and the fact that you don't know anything doesn't indicate that the Russia investigation is a waste of time. It just means you don't know anything.

Nice alt-right buzzwords: HILLARY & Comey investigation, witch hunt, schizophrenic (Yet another attack on the mentally ill. How pathetic and disgusting.)

And there's a new pedophile thread over there for you.

 

[cduggles]

Comey is a POS, so it makes sense that they were pleased with the firing (just not for the reasons that some schizophrenic pundits are claiming)

Just in case you try to delete this and to bold your insult using a term for the mentally ill, again.

 

[alasdairm]

...while in the other we have none that are public yet.

ftfy.

alasdair

 

[LiquidMethod]

Ok, so in your mind, if the FBI covered up Secretary Clinton's crimes, who should investigate?

That's actually a really good question, and I have no idea. If the FBI is not doing its job and seemingly colluding with the Justice Department to allow high-level politicians to break the law, then WTF do we do? At least they're being somewhat diligent NOW, so you can thank Trump winning for that. With Clinton that shit would've had a better chance of continuing.

She is a civilian now, so how many millions of taxpayer dollars should be spent re-investigating Secretary Clinton and former FBI Director Comey?

As much as it takes, With all the mountains of evidence and co-conspirators it should not take that long.
How many millions of taxpayer dollars do you want to pledge towards the dubious Trump/collusion investigation based on no evidence. Let's continue that one shall we because you don't like Trump?

It just means you don't know anything.

I know that the Trump/Russia collusion conspiracy theory is based on no evidence. A CNN producer admitted on camera that the story was BS and that they ran it for ratings, and Van Jones called it "a big nothing-burger".

Nice alt-right buzzwords: HILLARY & Comey investigation, witch hunt, schizophrenic

WTF are you talking about? What does alt-right even mean? Those are all English words.

Just in case you try to delete this and to bold your insult using a term for the mentally ill, again.

Take it up with Vladimir, if you have the cojones.

 

[Scrofula]

Despot calls people "schizophrenic" as an insult, so you're saying it should be considered acceptable? That's what despots do, in their own countries.

OH yeah, we have a CNN producer overhead by someone somewhere say something about it is BS, allegedly. Thus there is no evidence for Trump/Russia shenanigans whatsoever.

Except something like his son and campaign staff meeting with Russian gov. officials is the sort of circumstantial evidence that . . . is part of an active investigation.

A former head of the FBI has impaneled a grand jury and hired a serious legal team, which means he has crimes he's charging at least someone with.

What's funny is that the FBI is of course part of the Justice Department. It has been a point to keep the FBI, which is law enforcement, separate from politics as much as possible. The Attorney General is the head of the Justice Department and oversees the FBI, and serves at the pleasures of the President.

Thus the president affects policy through the AG's office, not the FBI. A president cannot dismiss the FBI director, directly. Which is one of the reasons an obstruction charge has written itself; that is hasn't been made yet, is because it's just too easy for Meuller. He had his eyes on more.