• N&PD Moderators: Skorpio | someguyontheinternet

The bliss point.. food and future substance abuse problems

nativenick

Bluelighter
Joined
Apr 27, 2006
Messages
459
Location
winnipeg manitoba
I seriously feel that the kind of diet we have as a child really does influence our addictive behaviors. Has Loading up our kids with food laced with high fructose corn syrup, msg, stupid amounts of salt (bliss point) and god knows what else been influencing our behaviors and priming an addictive mindset. I just want to know both sides to disprove this or confirm it. Am I wrong for thinking higher rates of addiction and mental health problems in society over all but especially in poorer people had to do with bliss point chemistry In our diet prenatally and in. Early life. I want as some arguments and studies in favour for this school of thought and against it.
 
just generally not learning how to be patient and consuming all the time. three meals a day with constant snacking. a child is always getting stimulated, and when they are not eating they are watching t.v. or playing video games... not a way to learn to be patient at all.. i think all the t.v. and video games along with the school system triggers anxiety too, so all of this adds up and creates people that will get addicted to drugs easer.
 
Heroin was made illegal around 1912, alcohol, drugs and addiction have been around some time ;)
so have most other short-term copingmechanisms like aggression and sex. Food too, probably, but
I'm guessing to a lesser extent, because it is not always and everywhere abundant.
What is actually relatively new is internet, the possibility to know what happens all over the planet. So maybe before, you were hearing less about
these problems. Hearing about these problems generates stress and anxiety too. The world's population
has never been more dense, another cause for stress. The less you can afford, the bigger the stress and all the
more the need for some kind of satisfaction to numb unpleasant feelings.
So I think you are right about the kids who are out for their sugarfix, and yes the behaviour resembles that of
drug-use, especially when this bliss point is chased. Thus creating an inefficient copingmechanism.
But I think it is rather a consequence or a symptom, than a cause.
 
Last edited:
I seriously feel that the kind of diet we have as a child really does influence our addictive behaviors. Has Loading up our kids with food laced with high fructose corn syrup, msg, stupid amounts of salt (bliss point) and god knows what else been influencing our behaviors and priming an addictive mindset. I just want to know both sides to disprove this or confirm it. Am I wrong for thinking higher rates of addiction and mental health problems in society over all but especially in poorer people had to do with bliss point chemistry In our diet prenatally and in. Early life. I want as some arguments and studies in favour for this school of thought and against it.
I agree, but I don’t think salt is a problem. Salt is not new and most of the medical nonsense about the dangers of high salt are vastly exaggerated.

I’d also add a major factor which you haven’t included, although I assume your list was not meant to be exhaustive, namely hydrogenated fats & seed oils. These high dose, refined polyunsaturated fats are very new to our diet & very damaging, especially when people aren’t getting enough omega-3 fatty acids and good saturated fats.

Red dye #4 seems problematic, artificial flavours can be… again, certainly not things we are adapted to.

We’ve always had sugars so I think the evils of those are a little bit exaggerated, especially compared to bad fats. But too much of anything is harmful so it’s all about balance.
 
I agree, but I don’t think salt is a problem. Salt is not new and most of the medical nonsense about the dangers of high salt is vastly exaggerated.

I’d also add a major factor which you haven’t included, although I assume your list was not meant to be exhaustive, namely hydrogenated fats & seed oils. These high dose, refined polyunsaturated fats are very new to our diet & very damaging, especially when people aren’t getting enough omega-3 fatty acids and good saturated fats.

Red dye #4 seems problematic, artificial flavours can be… again, certainly not things we are adapted to.

We’ve always had sugars so I think the evils of those are a little bit exaggerated, especially compared to bad fats. But too much of anything is harmful so it’s all about balance.
Agree with everything except the sugar thing, partially.

We've always had naturally occurring levels of sugar but a lot of food being sold now has processed sugar added back into it and high levels of sugars are absolutely not good.

But bad fats like oils definitely seem to be a huge problem.

I stopped cooking with oils and started using real butter instead. Not only does it taste better but my GI health has improved hugely.

Again as you say, too much of anything will be a bad thing and if you only enjoy something unhealthy on occasion the problems it causes will likely be minimal but I think a lot of people are deluding themselves about how healthy their diet really is
 
Agree with everything except the sugar thing, partially.

We've always had naturally occurring levels of sugar but a lot of food being sold now has processed sugar added back into it and high levels of sugars are absolutely not good.

But bad fats like oils definitely seem to be a huge problem.

I stopped cooking with oils and started using real butter instead. Not only does it taste better but my GI health has improved hugely.

Again as you say, too much of anything will be a bad thing and if you only enjoy something unhealthy on occasion the problems it causes will likely be minimal but I think a lot of people are deluding themselves about how healthy their diet really is
That’s why I said a little bit exaggerated. There are people who say all sugars are bad all the time whether it’s refined or not. There’s also so much variation across different people. I get too thin if I don’t consume any carbs, and I definitely need them when I’m being highly active. Other people do great on a carnivore diet. I don’t think there’s one perfect diet for everyone, but I do think there are general guidelines. Pretty sure nearly everyone benefits from keeping sugars relatively limited.

Highly processed food is innately problematic for many reasons imo. So, I think we probably agree.

Butter & tallow are superfoods imo! I’ve been eating at least a stick of butter a week my whole life and think it’s definitely part of why I’m so healthy. Butyrate is very important for gut biome.
 
That’s why I said a little bit exaggerated. There are people who say all sugars are bad all the time whether it’s refined or not. There’s also so much variation across different people. I get too thin if I don’t consume any carbs, and I definitely need them when I’m being highly active. Other people do great on a carnivore diet. I don’t think there’s one perfect diet for everyone, but I do think there are general guidelines. Pretty sure nearly everyone benefits from keeping sugars relatively limited.

Highly processed food is innately problematic for many reasons imo. So, I think we probably agree.

Butter & tallow are superfoods imo! I’ve been eating at least a stick of butter a week my whole life and think it’s definitely part of why I’m so healthy. Butyrate is very important for gut biome.
It's only tangentially related but I went pure carnivore for a while and it's hard for the first week but after that things seemed to settle in and I felt great. Did it for a couple months and had no noticeable issues.

I've been wanting to do it again but processing carbs seems to keep me warm working outside during winter so I'll wait until things start to warm up again first

Chicken beef eggs! Not sure if eggs count but I definitely count them
 
I grew up eating mostly home prepared food made of fresh stuff. 2 times per day, sometimes three. Never was much into chocolate and other sweets with exception of cocadas and mint drops.
That was until I was 8.

Then things changed and I had to basically feed myself for some time or got institucional food (hospital, then boarding school).

The time where my nutrition suffered was when I had to feed myself because that was frozen pizza or bread or fries. Then lots of sweets which I guess was due to stress and boredom.

To this day the idea of having to Shop for groceries, cook, and eat seems stressful to me.
But I have been told several times that I don't have tendencias to get addicted. And in fact, I can do things for a day or ten or three hundred, and then just stop doing them when I think it's what I want.

Does this have anything to do with how I ate in my first years alive?
No idea.
 
I seriously feel that the kind of diet we have as a child really does influence our addictive behaviors. Has Loading up our kids with food laced with high fructose corn syrup, msg, stupid amounts of salt (bliss point) and god knows what else been influencing our behaviors and priming an addictive mindset. I just want to know both sides to disprove this or confirm it. Am I wrong for thinking higher rates of addiction and mental health problems in society over all but especially in poorer people had to do with bliss point chemistry In our diet prenatally and in. Early life. I want as some arguments and studies in favour for this school of thought and against it.
I've noticed correlation between high-sugar diets as children and stimulant addiction (including nicotine). Have noted it on dozens of occasions, really a lot of times
 
Did I mention that I've started numerous rehabilitation programs, from which two I finished. I'm clean for 3.5 years now. I lived together with other addicts in rehab for more than four years of my live. One thing on the list of every program:

sharing the story of your life with the group. So I have had to listen to a lot of these. Reasons people got addicted where mostly because they were poor and had a shitty home, with at least one absent or agressive or abusive or addicted parent

giving the kids all kinds of salt and sugar up to the point that people who work at the Bliss Point actually had a plaque made for the kids' one millionnest visit to the giftshop and hung it, shiny and plastic that looks like gold, above the store-

counter. The Bliss Point is thinking about starting a neight reward for customerloyalty in the form of a coupon, for 5% discount at a variety of rehabs.

I would appreciate it if you would actually read my previous post.
 
Top