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THE NRL has stripped Melbourne Storm of two premierships, as well as any competition points this season, in the toughest punishment for a salary cap breach in NRL history.

NRL chief David Gallop has just announced the extraordinary penalty, after it was uncovered that the club paid $1.7 million to its players outside the cap in the past five years.

The Storm have been stripped of their premierships in 2007 and 2009, three minor premierships and their eight competition points this season. They will not be able to accrue any more points this season, have been fined $500,000 and must pay back $1.1 million in prize money.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ps-for-salary-cap-breaches-20100422-td91.html

i'm not a league fanatic, but this shit is hilarious. the runner up teams during those two years won't be declared victors, nor will they get any prizemoney. i guess the records will just be blank forever. the rest of this long season will be interesting for a team that can't accrue any points! hahahahahah
 
a fair one in the context of our game.

The team lost 2 premierships
3 minor premierships (coming first in the league at the end of the 26 rounds)
1.1 Mil in prizemoney
and a 500K fine.

I dont think the losing teams in those grand finals deserve to be called the winners, because well 1, on the day they lost... yes to a cheating side, but still. and 2, if they do give them the premiership, what about all the other teams that lost to the storm, espically the team that lost to them the week before the grand final, and got elimnated.

dirty fuckin cheaters
 
ch0psy, i understand the taking away of their premierships, i understand the 500k fine, and i even understand making them pay the 1.1 mil, but they're not allowed to accrue points this season??? i mean, it's starting to make more sense to me as i type this out, but still, i almost can't believe there's no other way to resolve the infraction. i mean damn, it'd be hard for me to give a shit about winning or losing if i knew it meant nothing in the end. personal pride would be at stake, but to get the entire team on that band wagon would be almost an impossibility. again... not that it would really matter in the end, but damn. :\

you're far more knowledgeable about the goings on of the league than i am, so forgive my ignorance.
 
they should really just pull the team from this year's comp. as it stands, they are in a position to let some teams win and fight harder against others.
 
The reasoning behind not allowing them any points this year is because they have already ammassed the players and cannot be allowed to win anything.

Some years ago the Bulldogs did something similar but instead of saying "you cant win anything", they told them to get under the cap and so all the players agreed to a pay cut and they went on to win the competition. That was ludicrous.

The problem with what they have done this time is as has been pointed out, why would they give a crap about the score? It doesnt matter what spin they put on this there is no way that the players will be playing as hard as they would have otherwise and as such many teams will get poionts they would not have got otherwise.

Thats unfair to those who have already played them and lost.

They should have been removed from the comp this year completely and allk games involvcing them this year counted as a bye.
 
the reason why they cant accrue points this year is because they have found they have already done the dodgy, and gone 700K over.

The players are contracted to play footy win/lose/draw. there is nothing to play for... but there is still pride. Yes, they took payments under the table (well most likely the player manager/agent) but think, if you decide to stop playing, not only will you not being playing for the corrupt side, but you are going to get a be wrap from other clubs.

In the end, its really sad for the players, and even worse for the city of Melbourne who were really starting to start liking the game down there.

This gives my team a really good chance of winning!
 
well they looked good against the mighty warriors. its important they keep playing to keep loyal fanz amd sponsors happy. also for the future development of the team and the NRL in general. hey theres no pressure to score points this might giv them the space and freedom to experiment and play sum exciting rugby! do teams playing the storm get points if they lose or win? they say there will be further investigation into other teams with serious allegations being thrown round like a smack hoe. hope no1 else getz caught, and other teams either do it smarter or clean up. does ne1 think they shuld extend the salary cap a couple mil or leave it as iz?
 
they should really just pull the team from this year's comp. as it stands, they are in a position to let some teams win and fight harder against others.

Playing hell with the bookies, now isn't it ;)

The reasoning behind not allowing them any points this year is because they have already ammassed the players and cannot be allowed to win anything.

Some years ago the Bulldogs did something similar but instead of saying "you cant win anything", they told them to get under the cap and so all the players agreed to a pay cut and they went on to win the competition. That was ludicrous.

The problem with what they have done this time is as has been pointed out, why would they give a crap about the score? It doesnt matter what spin they put on this there is no way that the players will be playing as hard as they would have otherwise and as such many teams will get poionts they would not have got otherwise.

Thats unfair to those who have already played them and lost.

They should have been removed from the comp this year completely and allk games involvcing them this year counted as a bye.

I'd agree with that. And while I have no following at all of this league, I was intrigued by the crime and punishment at play. Like most sports, I'd assume there are some questionable arrangments being made by most teams - so for this league, is this type of behaviour rampant? Or are most teams 'close to the cap' whilst this team was far over it? Or was this team simply hammered for having won everything?

And I was very curious how many people in this thread would simply laugh, or be outraged.....but more importantly what other punishments would be suggested.

I could see the 'punishment' given the other team you mention - fix the payroll to league standards and play on, but I'd be willing to bet those players were at the same time signed to some sort of performance bonus pending their championship accomplishments, no? I think the last line gives the most appropriate - club is put down for the year, all previous games count as byes = fairest for the rest of the league. Players on the team ought be paid their contract but the club, but are ineligible to play elsewhere for the season. AND I'd probably through in the big fine and forfeit earlier championships to boot. But for this season, playing on makes no sense. Is there something more at work in the league's decision? Such as nurturing the fanbase of that region?
 
No most teams are close to the cap. melbourne were way over it and had been doing it for some time.

Yes there may be the odd other team doing something naughty but if trhey are then they are not very good at it because they are not winning anything.

It was pretty obvious to most people that melbourne were probably up to no good.




Yes they are trying to nuture the game in melbourne and i suspect that there were probs with pay TV if there were no games in Melbourne and also would have meant lost revenue for all clubs.
 
The fan base would be the least of their worries. Despite huge success over the past few years, Melbourne is not a huge rugby League market, constantly struggling to compete with Aussie Rules which has 7 teams based in this city. For a team winning nearly everything they still struggle to pack 20 000 in.

The real reason they have to play on is the television deals are split between two networks (a free to air and a pay tv channel) and neither would want to lose a game every week for the remainder of the season. That would account for almost 15(?) games for the rest of the year, which is considerable considering there are only 16 teams in the league.

To put things in perspective, the best players in the competition would only expect to earn $500 000 a season. Going over the salary cap by $1.7 million is like having at least one extra (and in Mebournes case probably 2) superstars in their team. How many games have Inglis, Smith and Slater single handedly won between them in the past 5 years? That's without taking into acount being able to retain some quality players like Dallas Johnson, Kite, Cronk or Hoffman, players that any struggling team would love to have. I'm sure nearly every club has similar deals going on under the table but I doubt any are as large as teh Storm.

Personally I think they should play out the rest of the season just so they can be boo'd by the rest of Australia. It is easy playing in front of their own fans but just wait until they play in Sydney and Brisbane. ;)
 
Well put Busty.

I do feel for them from the point of view that they are all home grown talent and I have for a long time believed that the NRL should be providing some benfit to those clubs who develop talent.

My own club St George is one of those who has been a major player developer and we dont seem to gain any real advantage when i reckon we should.

But how to achieve that and also try to create an even competition? I dont have an answer.

Was there reeally such a problem 20 years ago before the salary cap? I didnt think so.

Is there a such thing as a salary cap in the USA sports?
 
What club doesn't develop their own juniors? Brisbane, North Qld, Penrith, Newcastle, Canberra, even Souths has a proud and productive junior development programme. The past 5-10 years has shown that the salary cap does work. I can only think of perhaps Cronulla being the club that has not had a period of success (or at least a couple of years in the finals).

The fact that Melbourne were on top for so long only highlights how much they cheated. Even "power clubs" like Brisbane and Roosters are showing signs of weakness due to the levelling effect of the salary cap.

Personally I won't shed a tear. I remember vividly how my beloved All Blacks were decimated by cashed up league clubs during the 80's and 90's (about 20 yrs ago Maz ;) )before union became professional. I find a slight sense of justice now that some league clubs are crying poor because they can't compete with cashed up union offers. Karma is a bitch. :|
 
Yeah Im aware of history bro. And your right.

Interestingly there isd some that believe Union is about to suffer terribly in Aus as less and less people take an interest in it.

The Roosters have no juniors. Cronulla have very few also.
 
I do feel for them from the point of view that they are all home grown talent and I have for a long time believed that the NRL should be providing some benfit to those clubs who develop talent.

My own club St George is one of those who has been a major player developer and we dont seem to gain any real advantage when i reckon we should.

But how to achieve that and also try to create an even competition? I dont have an answer.

Was there reeally such a problem 20 years ago before the salary cap? I didnt think so.

Is there a such thing as a salary cap in the USA sports?

There are salary caps in USA sports (thinking of the big ones = American Football, Basketball, and Baseball). Football does not have a player development system per se, they simply inherit the talent from the collegiate ranks without evaluating or investing in the player's training until they become professional. Baseball and Basketball do have 'minor leagues' where a club has lower division affiliates in which to develop their own talented players. That said, the salary cap has effectively killed any sense of 'home' players. Once someone becomes of professional level, they may play for their top club team, but it is highly unlikely. More often, the top club then makes business decisions on paying this recently brought up rookie versus an older known professional, with the decision hanging primarily on length of contract and the dollars involved.

Looking at baseball - There are penalties for teams that exceed the salary cap, most notably is the (in)famous New York Yankees who are so well funded by the owner that they knowingly exceed the cap and hire the best players for the most money....and often win because of it. The penalty? Paying fines back to the league which is then redistributed to the other teams in a way of helping those other teams buy more competitive players. But fewer and fewer teams are run as a sport (associated with 'home' and 'fun'), and are instead run as businesses by the owners. At the opposite end of the spectrum there are a few teams that remain at the bottom end of the payroll spectrum every year. Why? Because the league redistributes money from the wealthier teams (penalty fines, revenue sharing) to the cheaper teams....the owners of the cheap teams pocket the difference, keep cheap (poor performance, rookie, etc) players on the field and don't care about attendance, happy to get more attendance when the 'big boys' come through during the season :\

Basketball has a development league, but the players are viewed as dollars and potential wins as opposed to persons :\ More than baseball, these players are simply traded to stay under the salary caps. As I mentioned on football, there isn't really a development league, they get the college players (here college sports are MUCH more of an industry than in other countries, and the football programs alone typically generate the funding to support most of the other school sports), and getting a guy fresh out of college is like picking him up off the street - he comes from nowhere, goes anywhere, and is a poker chip used in the salary cap negotiations based on dollars and potential.

There is a sense of 'home pride' associated to teams for the local residents, and they are proud when their team wins, and they do cheer for the players. But your favorite player could end up on your rival's roster next season, or your star for this season have come from another squad across the country that you never followed....or even another nationality (now that baseball and basketball are taking players from europe and asia). Fans end up supporting teams more, players less (though there is affection for those that came from local colleges, or managed to stay on a club for extended periods of time). Players change teams every 2-5 yrs, coaches nearly every 2-3 yrs....the only thing a fan can follow and cheer for is the club name itself; provided you aren't suffering a shit team at the hands of a business minded owner putting crap quality on the field. :\


To the other question on life before the salary cap? Well, even with the cap things are ridiculous (multi-million dollar signing bonuses and multi-year contracts....often on an unproven player...that are part of 'the deal' when they get traded before the contract is up), but before the caps and after there hasn't been a whole lot of 'under the table' wage earning; there simply hasn't been a need for it. Before the cap, anything went - buy the best team, try to win, and owners tended to be more sentimental and personable, keeping players longer rather than running it as a business. But with the cap, it's about who you can buy for the next few years as a player, and will they work for the system run by whatever coach you have for the next few years.




Sorry, hadn't cranked out a tl;dr in several days ;)
 
That all sounds pretty much how it is here except that the average stay of a player is longer than 2 years. Probably more like 5 or so on average however we do have journeymen who change every few years and others who stay with one club all there life.

We also have an increasing number who change codes completely and go from league to union or league to AFL even.

All depends on where the money is.

Being involved in pro sport for many years, i cant blame them. They get 10-15 years to make a living and need to do whats best for them and there future.

We are not talking mega dollars in league. Best players might earn from half a mill to a mill per year.

Most players would earn under 250,000. Thats not a lot.
 
Don't forget being able to head to Japan once they reach retirement age and play for contracts almost double what they get in their prime, in a competition that is easier and far less demanding on the body. I have a couple of mates who are deep into their 30's and for them it like a retirement village over there.

The hard part with "3rd party" deals outside of the salary cap is how to police them. Paramatta players were given first pick on properties that were being developed by a club official that as soon as they were completed suddenly yielded 300% on their initial investment. There is no way that the NRL can dictate where and with who players can invest their salary with but you can't tell me that such a deal would not factor in signing with a particular club.

Maz the "death" of union in Australia is a little premature, it is just the ebbs and flow of being an Australian (fickle) supporter. Why do you think AFL is so popular? (It's because Australians can't lose to anyone ;)). They haven't won anything for almost 10 years but suddenly with the Reds in the top four crowds are booming in Brisbane again. If the Wallabies are competitive at next years World Cup (which looks promising) then it will be a huge problem. Competitive teams in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne with Argentina and Japan lining up to play Tri nations and Super rugby respectively and the scope for growth (and television revenue) in the next 10 years leaves the NRL stagnating.
 
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