The Big & Dandy Nitrous Thread

[psood0nym]

^I've had similar experiences on dissociatives that I've concluded were delusions. I explained it to myself as having figuring out a world whose scope and possibilities had been profoundly whittled down or fogged over by the effects of the dissociative, and then mistaking that whittled down world for the far more complex one I inhabit during sobriety. It's also easier for me to believe that the dissociative impacted my ability to properly apply my fact checking faculties while maintaining or enhancing, perhaps even artificial activating, my sense of epiphany without regard to the solving of any real puzzle--than it is for me to believe I figured out how it all works (similar to the way no coherent narrative is required for me to believe certain facts and states of affairs during dreams, yet I nevertheless uncritically accept them.) That's not to say I haven't had real insights from psychedelics that bear out in the more internally consistent realities I encounter though, they're just usually a bit more modest.

The most important revelations I've had resulting from drug use have been psychological and have come from dispassionately analyzing experiences after the fact and working them honestly and coherently into the system of judgments that's accumulated from this practice of sober reflection in the past.

 

[Ham-milton]

^I've had similar experiences on dissociatives that I've concluded were delusions. I explained it to myself as having figuring out a world whose scope and possibilities had been profoundly whittled down or fogged over by the effects of the dissociative, and then mistaking that whittled down world for the far more complex one I inhabit during sobriety. It's also easier for me to believe that the dissociative impacted my ability to properly apply my fact checking faculties while maintaining or enhancing, perhaps even artificial activating, my sense of epiphany without regard to the solving of any real puzzle--than it is for me to believe I figured out how it all works (similar to the way no coherent narrative is required for me to believe certain facts and states of affairs during dreams, yet I nevertheless uncritically accept them.) That's not to say I haven't had real insights from psychedelics that bear out in the more internally consistent realities I encounter though, they're just usually a bit more modest.

The most important revelations I've had resulting from drug use have been psychological and have come from dispassionately analyzing experiences after the fact and working them honestly and coherently into the system of judgments that's accumulated from this practice of sober reflection in the past.

Had you been high on pot when you wrote that? That's the sort of thing I'd say when I was high. I feel like I might have had the exact same thought.

 

[Oosband]

WAWA LAND. haha nitrous is such a stange thing. everytime i do it i feel like i have figured out everything in the world and in my life, then as soon as i am back it is all gone.

So, so true.
Everything makes perfect sense for just one minute, then it's all snatched away from you. It's not really loads of thoughts that make sense though, it's more you brain is feeling a chemical reaction that is making you think that everything makes perfect sense.

 

[psood0nym]

Had you been high on pot when you wrote that? That's the sort of thing I'd say when I was high. I feel like I might have had the exact same thought.

Over-caffeinated to be sure, though what I posted was one of the very psychological insights I spoke of as having come from sober reflection after psychedelic/dissociative experiences--that and the influence of good ol' Occam's razor.

You must confuse the fuck out of friends that smoke with you!

 

[Nitrous is Nice]

I've had all the same revelations you guys have mentioned from Nitrous.

However, when I first smoked Salvia (20x), I had a fucking unreal "trip" that filled me with the most overwhelming sense of conviction that I have ever felt about anything that I had just been shown and taught the true nature of reality.

I know... every Salvia report says that. It just seemed so overwhelmingly real though...

I'm really starting to look forward to smoking Salvia again.

 

[trancedeviate]

Hah! Thanks for the awesome venue to post my fucked up ramblings on.

 

[*Love*Lite*]

I love the fact that whenever someone comes back from nitrous land whatever it is that they come back with is usually completely un-comprehendable to everyone except the user, only they know the true secret to how their mind works.

I can never explain it to anyone, whenever I try people think "I know too much" haha.

Agreed. I always want to convey what i learned from my nitrous trip with friends but I find it too difficult, you would have to be able to navigate my brain to know exactly what just happened.

I do find that nitrous is almost ALWAYS the same trip over and over again, its just like the last time every time.

 

[Dondante]

Over-caffeinated to be sure, though what I posted was one of the very psychological insights I spoke of as having come from sober reflection after psychedelic/dissociative experiences--that and the influence of good ol' Occam's razor.

Initially, the thought that insights like these are delusions seem most plausible after returning to normal consciousness, (and most of them probably are) but this lack of fact checking faculties also sounds a lot like the mode of perception achieved with Zen meditation. Zen isn't logical, but I wouldn't call it delusional either. From what I understand, when a student meditates on a koan, he has to let go of the notion of a world of parts (as seen by an structured, coherent brain) and transcend the contradictions of the seemingly meaningless phrase. So maybe what can be considered a delusion on a logical level of thought can be seen as a trancendence of the logical framework on another.

I've had my share of delusional thoughts on dissociatives, and psychedelics too, but I've also had the feeling that truth exists behind the resolution of contradictions and the reconciling of opposites.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^ yes certainly alogicality is not illogicality

 

[psood0nym]

Initially, the thought that insights like these are delusions seem most plausible after returning to normal consciousness, (and most of them probably are) but this lack of fact checking faculties also sounds a lot like the mode of perception achieved with Zen meditation. Zen isn't logical, but I wouldn't call it delusional either. From what I understand, when a student meditates on a koan, he has to let go of the notion of a world of parts (as seen by an structured, coherent brain) and transcend the contradictions of the seemingly meaningless phrase. So maybe what can be considered a delusion on a logical level of thought can be seen as a trancendence of the logical framework on another.

I've had my share of delusional thoughts on dissociatives, and psychedelics too, but I've also had the feeling that truth exists behind the resolution of contradictions and the reconciling of opposites.

I don't discount the possibility that drug states sometimes do result in experiences similar to or even precisely like those achieved through disciplined meditation. In fact, I believe the experience of ego death is the same experience as "enlightenment," though when a novice experiences it through drugs it should be qualified as "metaphysical enlightenment" (Hoffman's term). The "understanding" of the experience of a person who achieves the state through drugs is without doubt vastly inferior to that of someone who has literally transformed their brain via plastic processes, wrought through years of disciplined focus, to arrive at the experience through sheer force of will.

That said, I believe the majority of the big "whoa" moments I've had on drugs involve mistakenly applying my sober patterns of introspective reflection and judgment over patterns of brain activity that have been altered by drugs such that those usual means of introspection no longer properly map onto them (and in thinking about how that happens I gain actual insights that I would not have had without using the drugs.) Or, alternatively, that the drugs create feelings similar to the sensation of an epiphany and I rationalize reasons (that are nonsensical and that only I "understand" because of the unnatural presence of the mere feeling of understanding) unconsciously and AFTER the fact to explain those feelings. Here I am referencing the entire class of drug fuelled "insights" rather than the original poster's specific experience of resolving contradictions through a transcendence of logical frameworks.

 

[Dondante]

"Modern philosophy, culture, and society seemed to Hegel fraught with contradictions and tensions, such as those between the subject and object of knowledge, mind and nature, self and Other, freedom and authority, knowledge and faith, the Enlightenment and Romanticism. Hegel's main philosophical project was to take these contradictions and tensions and interpret them as part of a comprehensive, evolving, rational unity that, in different contexts, he called "the absolute idea" or "absolute knowledge".

According to Hegel, the main characteristic of this unity was that it evolved through and manifested itself in contradiction and negation. Contradiction and negation have a dynamic quality that at every point in each domain of reality—consciousness, history, philosophy, art, nature, society—leads to further development until a rational unity is reached that preserves the contradictions as phases and sub-parts by lifting them up to a higher unity. This whole is mental because it is mind that can comprehend all of these phases and sub-parts as steps in its own process of comprehension. It is rational because the same, underlying, logical, developmental order underlies every domain of reality and is ultimately the order of self-conscious rational thought, although only in the later stages of development does it come to full self-consciousness. The rational, self-conscious whole is not a thing or being that lies outside of other existing things or minds. Rather, it comes to completion only in the philosophical comprehension of individual existing human minds who, through their own understanding, bring this developmental process to an understanding of itself.

Central to Hegel's conception of knowledge and mind (and therefore also of reality) was the notion of identity in difference, that is that mind externalizes itself in various forms and objects that stand outside of it or opposed to it, and that, through recognizing itself in them, is "with itself" in these external manifestations, so that they are at one and the same time mind and other-than-mind. This notion of identity in difference, which is intimately bound up with his conception of contradiction and negativity, is a principal feature differentiating Hegel's thought from that of other philosophers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegel

That is too close to what I experienced in my ++++ with IM psilocin/psilocetin. Hopefully, I'll have time to finish it up sometime soon. Work is just a bit overwhelming at the moment.

 

[douche_mcflappin]

I know doing nitrous one night while on 2c-i I burned my damn finger on the cracker, from the cold ass nitrous. And my message was " f u nitrous, thanks for ruining my trip, with this burnt finger"

 

[Ghettochrist]

Nitrous is my favorite thing in the whole world, it's the thing i've always had the most intense experiences on when i mix it with other drugs or on it's own, it allows me to just jump into a blissfull sea of digital static where my mind can apply whatever trip or effects to depending on my state of mind or whatever else i'm on.

 

[B9]

Don't care about nitrous one way or the other, but paradox is everywhere for sure ....or is it.

 

[chicpoena]

You can get surprisingly deep into your psyche with just a bit of pot, a case full of whippits, and a mind totally open to whatever it may experience.

QFT. Nitrous can be a surprisingly strong psychedelic. I have experienced many revelations about the nature of the universe while on nitrous.

 

[ebola?]

Update:

I experienced similar themes.
It also renders death moot.
From the vantage point where the contradiction between non-being and being is transcended, the question of whether one is living or one is dead becomes moot.

Psychelia is simply brief experiences of mystical spiritual currents. It's too bad that the mysticism has been drained from contemporary Xianity.

ebola

 

[ebola?]

>>That is too close to what I experienced in my ++++ with IM psilocin/psilocetin. Hopefully, I'll have time to finish it up sometime soon. Work is just a bit overwhelming at the moment.>>

Great quote...and also kudos to wikipedia for being reasonably true to Hegel (being a Marxist sociologist and having a philosophy degree, I have been forced to contend with Hegel...I still don't quite get him.

ebola

 

[Nitrous is Nice]

I experienced similar themes.
It also renders death moot.
From the vantage point where the contradiction between non-being and being is transcended, the question of whether one is living or one is dead becomes moot.

Couple Q's...

Are you combining with anything? If so, what? (If you don't mind me asking)

How do you feel about such a revelation? This may be a silly question, but did you find yourself feeling any kind of emotional response as a result of your epiphany?

 

[ebola?]

just cannabis.
Here's the thing.
I can take back the verbal description of these revelations, but they are proven IN the nitrous experience, which I can't bring back to even in memory while sober. So I remain agnostic. This could be the architecture of the universe...or a brief story that is patently false. Either way, this leaves me with things to consider.

ebola

 

[psood0nym]

Update:

I experienced similar themes.
It also renders death moot.
From the vantage point where the contradiction between non-being and being is transcended, the question of whether one is living or one is dead becomes moot.

As in panexperientialism? If not, please elaborate.